Built 3liter

[3.0 King]

Well it's been fun and this car is done. The customer is picking it up today. Took it out for some runs. Ran a B5S4stg2(no cats) and 05 STI w/exhst/intake/chip.
Three pulls two in 3rd gear and one in 2snd gear. The 3liter beat both and continued to pull away with no sign of them...lol. Eventually this car will be droping the pulley to a 2.4 and running 15-17psi.

I have this car leaving the house and another 3liter automatic being droped off at my house today and this car will get the same mods and everthing else.

I hope the owners of these cars will post pics and video so all can see.

[dougyfresh]

This is a 3.0L with a supercharger? What CR are you running? (Forgive me for not looking at your previous threads.)

Good deal.

[G Men 08]

ohh if i had the money...

[3.0 King]

yes, 9.0:1cr 1 point down from stock

i'll recap the build.

Part list:

new block
new stk F/3.0 crank
JE F/pistons
Eurospec F/rods,pins
main bearing girdle
AWE RS4 LWFW
SB clutch stg3
stk heads
Eaton m62 blower(roots)
3.0 King 2.8 pulley
Supersprint headers
3.0 King dp's no cats
Milltek catback exhst
Snow water meth kit(maf based) six turns on the pump.start vltg at 4v full vltg at 5.8, 175nzl.
2Bennett oil cooler(removed stk cooler)
Stasis cntr-diff
RS4 motor mnts
Apr snub
Innovate wideband
Custome tune

[AudiA4Turbo22]

the grand total was?

[3.0 King]

i'll let the owner of this car tell if he dares...lol

[dirtybrd]

In a Dr. Evil voice "One Million Dollars!"

[02silverb6]

We need pics!

[AudiA4_20T]

Steve, you going to need that tuning soon? Stage 2 S4s are no joke man... But I like the sound of 17psi lol

[Papachristou]

whoever this is needs to step uP!

[dougyfresh]

the grand total was?

Does it really matter? If you're building a previously designed naturally aspirated V6 with a strong bottom end for forced induction it will cost some money. It ain't gonna be a $3k 'kit'.

[mtbrider]

nice, i'd like to check the car out sometime

[Gondi Stylez]

sooo tempting....

[Ill 3.0]

I'd love to hear it with those ss headers.

[ShogunR32]

Post pics

[klugj]

So soon...Not soon enough, cant wait...

[Craigo]

Damn, i wonder who was crazy enough to drop this kind of coin... hmmm

[AudiA4_20T]

Damn, i wonder who was crazy enough to drop this kind of coin... hmmm

man whoever is was is a baller

[Don Supreme]

Is the owner a MD resident?

[Das General]

Damn, i wonder who was crazy enough to drop this kind of coin... hmmm

Oh hey, about time you got that car back. Last time I saw it, it was on fire.

You wanna do a pull when my car is ready?

[Craigo]

Oh hey, about time you got that car back. Last time I saw it, it was on fire.

You wanna do a pull when my car is ready?

Why you always blowing me up like that! D has cracked the case of who owns the car. And surely shirley lets do some pulls. Are you going to the red bull soapbox car race out by you? I heard a radio ad for it recently - sounds like it'll be a huge drunken street party.

Clint i'll be seeing you in MD throughout the year and in dirtyyy.

[sandspeed]

Does it really matter? If you're building a previously designed naturally aspirated V6 with a strong bottom end for forced induction it will cost some money. It ain't gonna be a $3k 'kit'.

Doug, I think it matters. There was a problem on the BMW boards a few years ago with people building badass engines, but refusing to say how much the work cost or where they got the parts. The result was that very little interest was sparked in doing similar projects, because too many people live by the old adage "If you have to ask, you can't afford it". Not openly discussing costs and labor charges does nothing but hold the community back. Personally, I hate it when a shop, builder, or company does not answer cost questions, or beats around the bush. It leads me to believe that they are shady, charging too much, or self-important pricks. Of course I am just reflecting on what I've seen in other car communities, and IN NO WAY DO I DIRECT THESE COMMENTS AT 3.0 KING. I just mention this because we are at the start of what could be a really good forced induction community with these cars. I was around the BMW boards when people finally decided that the know-it-all "tuners" were wrong when they said the BMW straight sixes couldn't take massive boost, and it has exploded into a fast-growing FI community that is extremely innovative. I would love to see more 3L B6s on boost and taking some of the limelight away from the 1.8t and 2.0t crowds. And the way to do this is to be open and clear with everyone, and share innovations and advice. That being said, can we get a ballpark figure? I may ship another 3.0 short block back with me when I PCS stateside, along with a bunch of other goodies. And I would be very interested in having a motor built up to withstand severe boost. ...After a deployment of course, so I can have a few months to save up some cash.

[Craigo]

Doug, I think it matters. There was a problem on the BMW boards a few years ago with people building badass engines, but refusing to say how much the work cost or where they got the parts. The result was that very little interest was sparked in doing similar projects, because too many people live by the old adage "If you have to ask, you can't afford it". Not openly discussing costs and labor charges does nothing but hold the community back. Personally, I hate it when a shop, builder, or company does not answer cost questions, or beats around the bush. It leads me to believe that they are shady, charging too much, or self-important pricks. Of course I am just reflecting on what I've seen in other car communities, and IN NO WAY DO I DIRECT THESE COMMENTS AT 3.0 KING. I just mention this because we are at the start of what could be a really good forced induction community with these cars. I was around the BMW boards when people finally decided that the know-it-all "tuners" were wrong when they said the BMW straight sixes couldn't take massive boost, and it has exploded into a fast-growing FI community that is extremely innovative. I would love to see more 3L B6s on boost and taking some of the limelight away from the 1.8t and 2.0t crowds. And the way to do this is to be open and clear with everyone, and share innovations and advice. That being said, can we get a ballpark figure? I may ship another 3.0 short block back with me when I PCS stateside, along with a bunch of other goodies. And I would be very interested in having a motor built up to withstand severe boost. ...After a deployment of course, so I can have a few months to save up some cash.

Expect to pay with parts/engine and labor about 15K (this is labor on the cheaper side too)

[sandspeed]

Expect to pay with parts/engine and labor about 15K (this is labor on the cheaper side too)

Is that including a fresh short block, or using the owners provided engine, nevermind... Just read the parts list again.

[AudiA4_20T]

Expect to pay with parts/engine and labor about 15K (this is labor on the cheaper side too)

although I do agree with you, you did pay for a ton of groundwork being laid down... Now that it is, I'm sure the next guy won't have to pay as much

[T0M3K]

Part list:

new block
new stk F/3.0 crank
JE F/pistons
Eurospec F/rods,pins
main bearing girdle
AWE RS4 LWFW
SB clutch stg3
stk heads
Eaton m62 blower(roots)
3.0 King 2.8 pulley
Supersprint headers
3.0 King dp's no cats
Milltek catback exhst
Snow water meth kit(maf based) six turns on the pump.start vltg at 4v full vltg at 5.8, 175nzl.
2Bennett oil cooler(removed stk cooler)
Stasis cntr-diff
RS4 motor mnts
Apr snub
Innovate wideband
Custome tune

Now that's some impressive parts list.
Something way out of my price ballpark.
I want to jump on S/C but I also plan spend as less as possible.
Sucks to be a student on budget.
Steve, how much you think it will cost to have a reliable S/C setup (I don't mean pushing 320+ HP, 300 and I'm set ).

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Ya Doug it won't matter for me as i don't own a 3.0, just trying to get an idea u know broadening my knowledge, and heck if it ran the same for just doing a BT to a 1.8T then we couldn't call it the 3.slow anymore.

[dougyfresh]

Doug, I think it matters. There was a problem on the BMW boards a few years ago with people building badass engines, but refusing to say how much the work cost or where they got the parts. The result was that very little interest was sparked in doing similar projects, because too many people live by the old adage "If you have to ask, you can't afford it". Not openly discussing costs and labor charges does nothing but hold the community back. Personally, I hate it when a shop, builder, or company does not answer cost questions, or beats around the bush. It leads me to believe that they are shady, charging too much, or self-important pricks. Of course I am just reflecting on what I've seen in other car communities, and IN NO WAY DO I DIRECT THESE COMMENTS AT 3.0 KING. I just mention this because we are at the start of what could be a really good forced induction community with these cars. I was around the BMW boards when people finally decided that the know-it-all "tuners" were wrong when they said the BMW straight sixes couldn't take massive boost, and it has exploded into a fast-growing FI community that is extremely innovative. I would love to see more 3L B6s on boost and taking some of the limelight away from the 1.8t and 2.0t crowds. And the way to do this is to be open and clear with everyone, and share innovations and advice. That being said, can we get a ballpark figure? I may ship another 3.0 short block back with me when I PCS stateside, along with a bunch of other goodies. And I would be very interested in having a motor built up to withstand severe boost. ...After a deployment of course, so I can have a few months to save up some cash.

Tim,
Your comments are fair. I was coming from the standpoint of "It won't cost as little as your GTRS turbo kit for the 1.8T. It will cost a hell of a lot more." The 3.0 was never designed for FI and I think a few of us (including Craigo) have found that out the hard way. 10:1 CR is also not ideal and it needs to be dropped. Enter building up the motor with new internals. Being a V6 like the B5 S4s it is not a cheap endeavor.

I am thrilled to see some people stepping up. Kudos to them! Unfortunately it took a while to get everything working right for the first few people because of sourcing the appropriate parts and custom parts for that matter.

For what is in the build list, I consider the price listed is actually pretty good when you factor in all the labor.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^TY exactly what i wanted to hear, so this is at least 10k in cost.

[T0M3K]

That's why I'm happy that I didn't go for S/C when I got the chance (I think it was a year ago). I'm not planning to do crazy power like 3.0 King, just reliable 3.(Not so slow).

So who on here is running a supercharger?

[Ill 3.0]

For what is in the build list, I consider the price listed is actually pretty good when you factor in all the labor.

exactly, if you look closely at the parts list you'll see that around 15k would be very fair all said and done. Definitely no corners cut here.

[sandspeed]

$15k for that is definitely a decent figure. I wouldn't go nearly that far, as I'd probably use my original block, or pick a low-mileage one up for cheap, and I don't think I'd bother with the Supersprint or cat-less stuff, as I wouldn't be pushing it that far. I would say this is close to top-end, but we know there are always more things you can do during a build. The six cylinder cost premium is not new to me. Most of the turbo'd or blown Bimmers are straight sixes, so I know what neighborhood we should be in for rods and pistons. If I was stateside and had a 3.0 test fit mule to provide to one of a few select individuals I know, we could have some badass exhaust manifolds made up fairly cheap. I hope the dropping price of these cars, and the always-rising interest in forced induction will help get more innovation going in this scene.

[AudiA4_20T]

$15k for that is definitely a decent figure. I wouldn't go nearly that far, as I'd probably use my original block, or pick a low-mileage one up for cheap, and I don't think I'd bother with the Supersprint or cat-less stuff, as I wouldn't be pushing it that far. I would say this is close to top-end, but we know there are always more things you can do during a build. The six cylinder cost premium is not new to me. Most of the turbo'd or blown Bimmers are straight sixes, so I know what neighborhood we should be in for rods and pistons. If I was stateside and had a 3.0 test fit mule to provide to one of a few select individuals I know, we could have some badass exhaust manifolds made up fairly cheap. I hope the dropping price of these cars, and the always-rising interest in forced induction will help get more innovation going in this scene.

DONT USE YOUR OWN BLOCK... especially with a project like this, there are so many things that take time, building a side block pays for itself.

Ask me how I know

[sandspeed]

Yeah, I'd pick up a used one, or the car would be down for a while getting paint and interior work while the engine is out. Believe me, I know about this. I have a BMW that hasn't had an engine in it since 2005.

[sean1.8t]

well craigo, post some pics/vids/impressions/kills/ ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!

please

[Exanimas]

well craigo, post some pics/vids/impressions/kills/ ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!

please

Listen to this man. For the sanity of the everyone.

[3.0 King]

whats up guyz, craig has a detailed paper trail to show where the money was spent and everything that came off the car is in his trunk. I hear what everyone is saying about cost and how much is this and that...but lets remember until you have the cash to pay for it you will never get the final price until the job is done. That said, this is what i can say.

Labour $85hr.

Remove and replace motor 22hrs.
Build motor 11hrs.
Instl. wideband 2.5hrs.
Instl.meth kit 2.5hrs.

Parts list:

G3-$5,000
Wideband-$450
Meth kit-$450
Oil cooler $600
Factory gasket kit $500

As you can see i have just listed a few major items and just think of all the stuff thats on the part list at the begining of this thread. So add those numbers and you can see it ain't cheap.

[AudiA4_20T]

well, some people can pull their own motors, and do their own meth kits and such, that would save a good amount of $$...

[sandspeed]

Yeah, I would say that if you DIY a lot of stuff, you could save a ton of cash. But then you have to get into whether your personal time is worth more than $85 an hour, and if you want the hassle of DIY. Personally, I've spent many days building motors (ROTAX aircraft motors for the USAF) and it's very relaxing to me. Chances are I'd do it myself, with a bit of help.

[Das General]

Why you always blowing me up like that! D has cracked the case of who owns the car. And surely shirley lets do some pulls. Are you going to the red bull soapbox car race out by you? I heard a radio ad for it recently - sounds like it'll be a huge drunken street party.

Clint i'll be seeing you in MD throughout the year and in dirtyyy.

RedBull Soapbox was yesterday noob. I moved out of PA last week anyways.