if you take a 2.8 out what do you put back in

[ahaters46]

im new to the site and this is my first car. i have a 96 a4 2.8 quattro with 201,000 on the odo, go ahead laugh i dont give a fuck, that things my baby. ha i got mad plans for this thing and im gonna make em happen. id love to drop the motor but i dont no what i should put in. itd be fat to drop in 1.8T or even a 2.0T or should i jus get another 2.8 but with 24 valve or whatever it is. should i get a block and build it or buy new or from a yard or get a another car recked with a good drivetrain. i have no idea. if any ones got advice or tell what they did, what they paid. stuff like that id be cool.

[GetAwayFromMe]

WOW LOL 2.7TT or VR6

[Das General]

VR6 turbo.

[le91688]

a hemi

[pipe7284]

^^^^^^vr6 Ttttttttttttt

[ricebeater]

^^^^^^vr6 Ttttttttttttt

FTMFW! VR6T owns all!!!

[Nebone]

I never seen a 2.0T FSI in an A4 yet or the 2.5 5 cylinder from VW

Built 1.8T would be my choice

VR6T is not realistic for for anyone, but one can try

[Das General]

VR is reasonable if you have the pockets.

[Overboostin]

Vr6t. How is it not realistic for anyone? That's a pretty broad assumption.

[Nebone]

^ Because most people go for plug and play (1.8T, 2.0T, 2.7T, 2.8). Lots of fabbing is required to make the engine fit and I don't think 034 has released blueprints for engine braces. Some local shop can make a brace/mount which can snap down the line and then what?

edit. I meant not for "everyone", bad grammar.

[MultiAudis]

there may be another vr6t in the works in a b5 from what I have heard through the grapevine... but I would suggest going the 1.8t route for the OP

[AudiA4_20T]

sounds like youd be happy with another 12v 2.8

[andyrew]

Really depends on what your looking at spending, and what your looking at doing with the car.

Will it be your daily driver? are you going to race it at all? Are you looking for more power? If so how much more? What about gas mileage?

Buying someone's built 1.8L engine or an engine from someone who's swapping for their built engine could be good. Figure 1-1.5k. Then you want to upgrade your turbo. No sense in doing all this work for 30 more Hp. You'll then need to figure out your HP desires and price a turbo kit based on that. . 300HP leave the engine stock, more than that you might as well upgrade your Rods as it'll be really simple with the engine on a stand. Figure another 500 for other parts, water pump, timing belt, oil pickup, hoses, diverter valve. You'll also need an exhaust. Figure taking it to an exhaust shop for around 350-400 for a full exhaust. Then you need a front mount intercooler, some kind of boost controller, ect, ect...

Or, hey I have a crazy idea..
Sell your car and buy a big turbo A4.. There around for 8-10k.
I can guarantee you that anyone here will say the same if they've built it themselves. You'll save a ton of money.

[le91688]

^ Because most people go for plug and play (1.8T, 2.0T, 2.7T, 2.8). Lots of fabbing is required to make the engine fit and I don't think 034 has released blueprints for engine braces. Some local shop can make a brace/mount which can snap down the line and then what?

edit. I meant not for "everyone", bad grammar.

http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=14000

[Nebone]

^ WoW, then everything has been done, its just a matter of assembly.

[le91688]

someone on the forums told me it still costs a ton to do.
Not sure how true it is, but I would definitely like to be able to throw a Vr6 in my a4 when she gets older. :)

[317ssayzarc]

plan on spending 20k to swap in a vrt.... trust me, i thought/looked long and hard about it (and still am)

[le91688]

20k seems a bit high. And im not talking a vrt. I said a vr6, stock motor.

[317ssayzarc]

never looked into that, absolutely no point for me too... that would not only be a huge step back but a big waste of money...

[doublezero30]

alright, why a vr6t when a 2.7t is already a twin turbod 6cylinder? i say a 2.7t with a couple big turbos strapped up to it. that would be tits. i want to put that in my b6, but i am brrrrrrrrroke! haha

[317ssayzarc]

alright, why a vr6t when a 2.7t is already a twin turbod 6cylinder? i say a 2.7t with a couple big turbos strapped up to it. that would be tits. i want to put that in my b6, but i am brrrrrrrrroke! haha

because the exhaust comes one side of the single vr head, making things much easier on exhaust/turbo plumbing, plus with the intake all coming in one side as well makes charge piping easier

[Das General]

plan on spending 20k to swap in a vrt.... trust me, i thought/looked long and hard about it (and still am)

lets get you some solid lifters and 4202r for the old 1.8

[AudiA4_20T]

alright, why a vr6t when a 2.7t is already a twin turbod 6cylinder? i say a 2.7t with a couple big turbos strapped up to it. that would be tits. i want to put that in my b6, but i am brrrrrrrrroke! haha

because you can only do so mcuh with the room in there...

Inline 6s have been making BIG power in Skylines, Supras, etc for years

[blkb6a4]

what about the 2.2t 5cyl turbo? has it been done?

[317ssayzarc]

lets get you some solid lifters and 4202r for the old 1.8

I want to see results before I take that plunge... I want to see someone make power past 9k, and if I go thru another build I want 750whp and a 3k long power band, 7k to 10k.... When Chris, Issam or Eddie gets there solid lifter cars going and I see some results, its possible... I know that the vrt can achieve my goals, but not sure I want to swing it yet

[317ssayzarc]

what about the 2.2t 5cyl turbo? has it been done?

heard rumors its been done, never seen pics, slips or dynos

[ricebeater]

This thread really got me into this VR6t swap, that was after I first saw the 034 time attack b5. Im now on the hunt for a donor shell which might turn out to be my current car... I will have plans to finish this thing before Christmas of 2009 if not have it rolling in assembley with all parts or in wait of/ being tuned.
I will probably be going with a schimmel or eurospecsport vr6 long block I will be picking up a shell by the end of november to start tinkering with. I will probably try and go with a 4088r or 4094r or maybe a 4294r. When spring rolls around I will be ordering a long block for the build then try and throw it in hopefully during the summer I will be ready to grab that massive garrett turbo that I want and a standalone and try and throw it on there and after that let the tuning begin.

[tmljeh19]

What would be the difference for swapping a 1.8t, 2.0t or 2.7t? What would you be looking at price range for a swap where i would be doing the building myself?

[Siena]

I never seen a 2.0T FSI in an A4 yet or the 2.5 5 cylinder from VW
Built 1.8T would be my choice

VR6T is not realistic for for anyone, but one can try

VW 5 cylinder is 2,3L

10 and 20V (105 / 170hp).

[Siena]

The I5 2,2L 20V turbo's a bit long for the B5 frame.

Audi's 4,2L V8 is an option - fairly compact, not too heavy, and cheap to obtain.

[Sigma 3]

A built 3.0 with a gt35r

[t1demont1]

VR ftmfw. Id love to see a DD vrt. 034 has done all the development for the motor mounts, and the tranny adaptor. The largest problem would be the ecu... your pretty much limited to 3 options... Megasquirt, lugtronic, and 034

[le91688]

what about a vr6 ecu?

[317ssayzarc]

VR ftmfw. Id love to see a DD vrt. 034 has done all the development for the motor mounts, and the tranny adaptor. The largest problem would be the ecu... your pretty much limited to 3 options... Megasquirt, lugtronic, and 034

not really... motec, autotronic, haltech, ect can run a vrt...

i wouldnt suggest a vrt in a b5 on a stock ecu unless you plan on leaving it at tapp, epl, ssp, uni, ect for a while...

[onemoremile]

I want to see results before I take that plunge... I want to see someone make power past 9k, and if I go thru another build I want 750whp and a 3k long power band, 7k to 10k.... When Chris, Issam or Eddie gets there solid lifter cars going and I see some results, its possible... I know that the vrt can achieve my goals, but not sure I want to swing it yet

http://boostfactory.net/article.php?id=34

Stock AEB head
Eurospec hydraulic cams mild cams
Eurospec 95.5 crank

[onemoremile]

heard rumors its been done, never seen pics, slips or dynos

IIRC, it is a purple Avant in Europe.

[onemoremile]

I've thought long and hard about dropping a VR6 into my Avant. I'd stay naturally aspirated but build the block and run a swappable downpip to dual 2.75" or 3" pipes. Then get it running on SEM and enjoy that amazing sound. Then the next stage would be the turbo and all the plumbing. This staging strategy would make the cost more bearable and a VR6 is a lot more fun to drive than a K04 1.8t. I'd probably stick with the 35r for quick spool and to avoid breaking too many drivetrain parts. Once you make too much power the clutch and some other parts may need relatively frequent attention which takes the fun out of it.

On the other hand, dropping a 3.0 H6 with 35r into an 05 Legacy Outback XT with an STi drivetrain would probably cost less and would easily outperform the Avant. Wide track, longer wheelbase, lighter weight, more rigid chassis and body, better suspension options, naturally balanced engine, 285/30-18 tires fit, it really is quite a list when added up.

Then again.....

[sirmeeps]

The I5 2,2L 20V turbo's a bit long for the B5 frame.

Audi's 4,2L V8 is an option - fairly compact, not too heavy, and cheap to obtain.

hows that goin?

[passatkid]

4bt cummins with twins

[Tiluleshpingen]

swap trickle motor