Loosing interest...

[pjh1988]

When i first saw the B8 A4, i thought it was just a great car...
No matter what ppl said about the way it looked, i liked it.
But now the price is out, i am loosing interest. $42k for the way i want it...
I think i might pay $3 more for A5 or maybe step it up to 335i.
I know people have been talking about this for long time. I thought i would wait till i see it in person, but not anymore. Price is too much for 2.0T.

[klee]

i feel the same. unless they bring over a TDI avant.

[pjh1988]

they have shitty gas mileage for it too. 23mpg combined for 2.0t...?
What are they thinking???
but i still like the way it looks..

[ibiski]

When i first saw the B8 A4, i thought it was just a great car...
No matter what ppl said about the way it looked, i liked it.
But now the price is out, i am loosing interest. $42k for the way i want it...
I think i might pay $3 more for A5 or maybe step it up to 335i.
I know people have been talking about this for long time. I thought i would wait till i see it in person, but not anymore. Price is too much for 2.0T.

Don't quite fully understand your reasoning... You're complaining that you don't want to spend $42k, but you're OK with spending $3k more for the same car with 2 doors? (A5). Nicely equipped 335xi is way over $50k and looks like shit compared to the new A4. Anyway, I don't think that Americans appreciate how relatively affordable the European cars are. In Europe, you'd pay about 50% more for the same car. Get what you like and enjoy it.

[moses0324]

Don't quite fully understand your reasoning... You're complaining that you don't want to spend $42k, but you're OK with spending $3k more for the same car with 2 doors? (A5). Nicely equipped 335xi is way over $50k and looks like shit compared to the new A4. Anyway, I don't think that Americans appreciate how relatively affordable the European cars are. In Europe, you'd pay about 50% more for the same car. Get what you like and enjoy it.

i dont understand your reasoning

1. A5 is not the same as an A4...lol (i.e. different chassis, engine, etc.)

2. 335xi nicely equipped is roughly 45k ish...at this price you get substantially more car for the money...

[ChampionMotorsport]

B8 A5/S5 is the same chassis as the B8 A4. Audi has a different model instead of a coupe version of the A4 like BMW does.

[moses0324]

^^^^ sorryyy... engine then

[DELUX]

i feel the same. unless they bring over a TDI avant.

Comes out next year

[Tiesto]

Anyway, I don't think that Americans appreciate how relatively affordable the European cars are. In Europe, you'd pay about 50% more for the same car. Get what you like and enjoy it.

Europeans chose socialism, we didn't. People really need to stop making comparisions between US and Euro costs for consumer goods.

[klee]

i dont understand your reasoning

1. A5 is not the same as an A4...lol (i.e. different chassis, engine, etc.)

2. 335xi nicely equipped is roughly 45k ish...at this price you get substantially more car for the money...

....and 100 more horses

the A4 needs to step up its game in either fuel efficiency or power.... or both.

[moses0324]

....and 100 more horses

the A4 needs to step up its game in either fuel efficiency or power.... or both.

i completly agree...

[Blake P]

^^^^ sorryyy... engine then

Actually, the A4 and A5 share the same 3.2 liter V6 engine and the A5 will soon be using the same 2.0T as well. You should have stopped while you were ahead... I mean, behind!

[moses0324]

mmmm no i was right...the a4 configured with the 2.0 engine is 42k...

if im not mistaken the 3.2 v6 is substantially more...the 2.0T was the original comparison...keep on topic blake. the 3.2 v6 is roughly 5k more. if my math is correct that puts the a4 at about 47k

A5 will soon be using the same 2.0T as well

I cant wait for audi to substantiate the price tag...might as well get a honda civic

[BMWBig6]

mmmm no i was right...the a4 configured with the 2.0 engine is 42k...

if im not mistaken the 3.2 v6 is substantially more...the 2.0T was the original comparison...keep on topic blake. the 3.2 v6 is roughly 5k more. if my math is correct that puts the a4 at about 47k

I cant wait for audi to substantiate the price tag...might as well get a honda civic

I thought the 3.2 was only around $3k more.

[Blake P]

I thought the 3.2 was only around $3k more.

$3,300 to be exact.

[TapouTx914]

The a4 2.0t imo is a better choice than bmw's 328xi but the 335xi is the better bang for your buck up against the 3.2 v6 from the a4.

[D.C. Designs]

wow that steep for a 2.0 :( but still love how it looks

[rpmfoundation]

Don't quite fully understand your reasoning... You're complaining that you don't want to spend $42k, but you're OK with spending $3k more for the same car with 2 doors? (A5). Nicely equipped 335xi is way over $50k and looks like shit compared to the new A4. Anyway, I don't think that Americans appreciate how relatively affordable the European cars are. In Europe, you'd pay about 50% more for the same car. Get what you like and enjoy it.

Uhm yeah (a5) not the same.. i know since i got one.. TODAY!

[ibiski]

i dont understand your reasoning

1. A5 is not the same as an A4...lol (i.e. different chassis, engine, etc.)

2. 335xi nicely equipped is roughly 45k ish...at this price you get substantially more car for the money...

1. Same chassis, same engine (3.2) with 2 doors. Only difference is that you can't get the 4 banger on A5.

2. Go to BMW's site and good luck building a nicely equipped 335xi for $45k. Not possible, unless you get the most basic version with no or few options. A fully loaded sedan is close to $56k and a loaded coupe is over $57k.

I've been a BMW guy for years, but personally, I'd get the A4. Newer, much better looking (especially) inside and out with options not even available on the 3er.

[ibiski]

Europeans chose socialism, we didn't. People really need to stop making comparisions between US and Euro costs for consumer goods.

Sorry, but currently no European country is socialist. Very few used to be. The main reason prices of European cars are lower here is because U.S. is the biggest car market in the world. Competition from Asian manufacturers also plays a significant role. All that is changing now as China and India among others are growing at record pace and the US dollar is losing its value.

[moses0324]

1. Same chassis, same engine (3.2) with 2 doors. Only difference is that you can't get the 4 banger on A5.

1. 4 banger and luxury sedan should not even be in the same sentence...

Go to BMW's site and good luck building a nicely equipped 335xi for $45k. Not possible, unless you get the most basic version with no or few options. A fully loaded sedan is close to $56k and a loaded coupe is over $57k.

2. their is a difference between nicely equipped and fully loaded...nicely equipped means leather, xenon, sunroof...fully loaded typically involves nav and un needed cargo nets

Newer, much better looking (especially) inside and out with options not even available on the 3er

3. i wont argue this point. I think the bmw's lack interior persona...However I still cannot get my head around the idea that they are selling a "4 banger" as you refer to it for 42k...sorry just doesnt make sense

[Jagaer]

1. 4 banger and luxury sedan should not even be in the same sentence...

Why not?

Do you really need more than 150kW/280Nm?

Everyone has a different opinion of luxury. Mine includes high quality parts, excellent handling and ride qualities.

Other people prefer floaty rides, slushboxes and V8s.

[vjma]

42K and you guys are complaining....Like I said in the other forum, my 3.2q cost me an equivalent of US$75,000....

[moses0324]

Mine includes high quality parts

you probably want to stay away from audi then...one word "coilpack"

[moses0324]

42K and you guys are complaining....Like I said in the other forum, my 3.2q cost me an equivalent of US$75,000....

because you were foolish enough to purchase one for 75k why should we??? lol 75k puts me in a 6 series which is untouchable in terms of audi a4 comparison

Why not?

Do you really need more than 150kW/280Nm?

Everyone has a different opinion of luxury. Mine includes high quality parts, excellent handling and ride qualities.

Other people prefer floaty rides, slushboxes and V8s.

everyother competitor in the luxury market offers at least a v6 with comperable pricing....

4 cylinder = no-power, high rev, chirpy

v6 = smooth, powerful

i never understood 4 cylinder vehicles unless you want efficiency because it wont provide performance...

[AudiA4Style]

because you were foolish enough to purchase one for 75k why should we??? lol 75k puts me in a 6 series which is untouchable in terms of audi a4 comparison



everyother competitor in the luxury market offers at least a v6 with comperable pricing....

4 cylinder = no-power, high rev, chirpy

v6 = smooth, powerful

i never understood 4 cylinder vehicles unless you want efficiency because it wont provide performance...

I couldnt agree more with:

4 cylinder = no-power, high rev, chirpy

v6 = smooth, powerful

But I love how I get 400 miles on a full tank on my 1.8T =)

[Blake P]

4 cylinder = no-power, high rev, chirpy

v6 = smooth, powerful

You guys can't be serious. The 2.0T comes stock with more torque than the 3.2 and will be pushing similar HP with just a chip.

[moses0324]

very serious....you cannot substitute a chip for displacement (sorry)

[corstiaanw]

When I bought my first S4 in 2000 it was $41,850 (loaded) I now have a 2006 S4 Avant and that was $56,800 (loaded) but I too think $48,000 is a lot of money for a new 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0 with S-line and Nav (loaded). My approach is to wait 12-18 months and pick up a Certified Pre-owned Avant when I come across the right configuration. Lets face it most manufacturers are getting away from leasing new cars, so I'll wait for the right CPO to come along.

[demea]

very serious....you cannot substitute a chip for displacement (sorry)

Sure you can. I walk V6's with my chipped 1.8 all day long
V6 is proabably smoother, though.

[TH85]

ill take the v4 turbo over the v6 any day....unless the v6 was turbocharged

gas mileage + torque + the sound of the turbo = cant beat it

[rpmfoundation]

because you were foolish enough to purchase one for 75k why should we??? lol 75k puts me in a 6 series which is untouchable in terms of audi a4 comparison



everyother competitor in the luxury market offers at least a v6 with comperable pricing....

4 cylinder = no-power, high rev, chirpy

v6 = smooth, powerful

i never understood 4 cylinder vehicles unless you want efficiency because it wont provide performance...

I completely disagree. 4bangers can pack some serious power.. Mitsu EVO, Honda H22 motor, Nissan SR20 DET motor, pickup a copy of superstreet - you'll easily find a 400+ 4banger.

[Blake P]

ill take the v4 turbo over the v6 any day....unless the v6 was turbocharged

gas mileage + torque + the sound of the turbo = cant beat it

That's what I was thinking, but these "displacement" guys will never agree, so what's the point in bothering.

[AudiA4Style]

Sure you can. I walk V6's with my chipped 1.8 all day long
V6 is proabably smoother, though.

But he was talking about luxury vehicles in it's stock form. Yes, we can buy a i4 civic, turbo/super charge it and have a 4 banger that's a lot faster than a V6, but the V6 will always give the driver a smoother ride, thus being more luxurious.

We weren't talking about how much power you can get out of a 4cyl or V6 engine.

[AudiA4Style]

ill take the v4 turbo over the v6 any day....unless the v6 was turbocharged

gas mileage + torque + the sound of the turbo = cant beat it

V4? really??

[Tiesto]

V4? really??

Hah, some posts just crack me up.

[cotmfk]

But he was talking about luxury vehicles in it's stock form. Yes, we can buy a i4 civic, turbo/super charge it and have a 4 banger that's a lot faster than a V6, but the V6 will always give the driver a smoother ride, thus being more luxurious.

We weren't talking about how much power you can get out of a 4cyl or V6 engine.

True, it won't be smooth power delivery, but it appeared as if some people thought it was impossible to have lots of power out of a 4-cyl.

There are lots of Evo's over 500whp... even some over 1000whp (no typo). Just check out chicago's AMS site or google it.

It just goes to show any car can have any amount of power when you put enough money into it!

But, for smoothness, more cylinders is definitely huge. The 340 hp on my S4 is so much smoother than the power on my old Evo, even though it was "faster."

[RLM]

ill take the v4 turbo over the v6 any day....unless the v6 was turbocharged

gas mileage + torque + the sound of the turbo = cant beat it

I've always wanted a V4 but I just can't seem to find a car that offers that engine.

[Jagaer]

RLM: Here are your choices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V4

[rpmfoundation]

But he was talking about luxury vehicles in it's stock form. Yes, we can buy a i4 civic, turbo/super charge it and have a 4 banger that's a lot faster than a V6, but the V6 will always give the driver a smoother ride, thus being more luxurious.

We weren't talking about how much power you can get out of a 4cyl or V6 engine.

Tell that to BMW who will be producing 3 series 4cyl :)
i dont mind a decent argument - doing homework prior would be nice.

people cant shift and lets blame it on a 4cyl .. oy vey..

not a luxury - but a stock evo - 300+ hp , stock STI - yeah.. that too..