My brother is a bit misinformed me thinks...

[golovemd]

Well my brother is one of those types that KNOWS something without looking at the facts, or so he thinks. Happens all the time and is a bit infuriating at times, but you just let it go. Today I had to get a chuckle though. I let him take my car to the store. He has an 02 Maxima, 6 speed. Pretty nice car and has a lot of power for a car it's size. Anyway, he comes back and says that he believes my car is faster then his but his would definitely beat mine off the line. Now I am not a racer and never plan on racing my car, but decided to inform him that it would not happen. He has a fwd car vs a awd car with similar power. If anything, his car should fare better one the run vs from a dead stop. He said that my car did not feel like it had that much power down low. Well if he isn't letting the turbos spool, of course he isn't feeling any power. I just said that if you know how to play with the throttle properly, the car will launch harder then his car ever could, simply cause of the fwd vs. the awd. He said he knows how to launch his car and it would definitely take my car. I just chuckled at this point and walked away. I found it funny.

[RomanA6]

I'll tell you that it will be a close call and up to the driver

I did a couple of pull's with a 350z and I pulled on him

but I had a friend with an 02 Maxima like you said - 6-spd - and we were almost dead even

due to traffic and us not being the professional drivers, I managed to pull on him slightly - not as close as I pulled on that 350z

my guess is that the 350z was an Auto

for comparison, I've never lost to a stock/lightly modded Camaro/Firebird/Mustang; and my car wasn't chipped; a Corvette had trouble pulling away from me from a dig; and I've "trailed" a Viper SRT-10 and a 911 on the way back to USA on QEW

also, I pulled on a stock Evo *(IX?) BUT a modded WRX pulled on me at the end of the gear

no racer, just a few run ins over 3 years of owning the car; then the car broke; hopefully it will be finally a Stage 3 soon

[RomanA6]

btw, if all you do is see who takes off faster - you should, no contest

[golovemd]

btw, if all you do is see who takes off faster - you should, no contest

Well that was the point i was trying to make to him. I know that his car has good power. I really like the car actually, it's big, comfortable, and plenty of power. I was just trying to point out that with AWD, from a dead stop, the car will launch a lot faster then you can launch a FWD car with equal power and equal drivers. The Maxima has more then enough power to put up a fair fight in my opinion, I was just referring to from a dead stop and see which car would launch quicker.

By the way, I have no plan on actually testing this with him, I am not a racer at all. Just a brotherly argument, if you know what I mean.

[wofman]

Get chipped for $600 and it becomes moot point.

[RomanA6]

Get chipped for $600 and it becomes moot point.

yeah, chip really opens up the car

I just never got to that point

but I will

[wofman]

Time for the youinger brother to come out of shadows, get GIAC, a whole new family dynamic. Perhaps then you can decide maybe just one short race would be ok.... just once.

[FrankA6]

just race him, he has no chance, and he has a stupid little fwd POS end of story, and i had a 350Z in the past, its a total POS. and your talking about a Maxima, wow , after you beat him badly, and you will, tell him to go buy a real car please.

[golovemd]

just race him, he has no chance, and he has a stupid little fwd POS end of story, and i had a 350Z in the past, its a total POS. and your talking about a Maxima, wow , after you beat him badly, and you will, tell him to go buy a real car please.

I'd love to respond to your post about how much of a snob you are, or an ass, but i won't as you are respected here. However, the Maxima is a nice, reliable, comfortable car. It has lots of power, in fact it has 5 more HP then my car does. I know that an AWD car of similar power will pretty much always have a better launch with decent drivers then any FWD car. To call the Maxima a POS is absurd an utterly rediculous.

[wofman]

I'd love to respond to your post about how much of a snob you are, or an ass, but i won't as you are respected here....

GoLove - a little over the top here aren't you? And of course your gratuitous "but I won't" is not exactly top drawer stuff. Can't we just get along?

(And me thinks the race is perfect idea for know-it-all big brother -- GIAC will make it a come-uppance you'll enjoy!)

[audirs]

if you dont want to drop money on a chip. get a revo flash. i think they give you a trial for a few hours or days or someting. get trial flash, beat em, and unflash

[golovemd]

GoLove - a little over the top here aren't you? And of course your gratuitous "but I won't" is not exactly top drawer stuff. Can't we just get along?

(And me thinks the race is perfect idea for know-it-all big brother -- GIAC will make it a come-uppance you'll enjoy!)

How is my response over the top when his response is egotistical and snobbish? And why did this become a discussion about chipping my car?

[East2.7Six]

that would be a good race... i guess what mostly everyone is saying if you want to prove him wrong once and for all beat him in a race and keep it moving. if you dont then dont. simple.

[wofman]

You characterized a person, he characterized a car. That's the difference.

And the rhetorical I-won't-call-you-an-ass routine could be called sophomoric or far worse, but I'll leave that to others to decide if it really is as ill witted as that. You see?

Geez man, it was your theme in post -- he encouraged you to beat the lesser car and you run and defend your brother's car.

Next topic. How about that new TFSI engine design, eh?

[FrankA6]

I'd love to respond to your post about how much of a snob you are, or an ass, but i won't as you are respected here. However, the Maxima is a nice, reliable, comfortable car. It has lots of power, in fact it has 5 more HP then my car does. I know that an AWD car of similar power will pretty much always have a better launch with decent drivers then any FWD car. To call the Maxima a POS is absurd an utterly rediculous.

Let me just say this again, i had a 350Z and i have a Murano currently, they are good nice cars, but really cmon now, a maxima is a people carrier, thats all i see it as, and me calling a car thats 20-25K less than an A6 "POS" is not being a snob, thats just facts.

[golovemd]

and me calling a car thats 20-25K less than an A6 "POS" is not being a snob, thats just facts.

Then what would you call it? The car is not even close to a POS. It is fully loaded with more features then my car has even, has similar power, more reliable. I doesn't have the moddability of turbos, doesn't have AWD, but otherwise has everything my car has. I think to call it a POS is completely inaccurate. Just because you may not like it as much does not mean it's crap. How many people have Range Rovers or other more expensive cars that break often and cost a ton to fix. Is it not considered a POS even though it cost a lot more then an A6? Price has nothing to do with it man. I am sorry if you think I am being rude or crude in my comments, but I am not defending my brothers car necessarily, just the mindset that a car is crap cause it's cheaper.

[golovemd]

Of, and for the record, my LITTLE brother paid about 15 grand more for his car then I did.

[RomanA6]

lol don't get worked up over stuff like this; internet is a great thing, but problem is it's so impersonal so it's easy to take something as an offense

but, you most definetly should get a Revo flash - from what I have heard, this is the nicest software of all (unless it's custom) - and see if they still give out those 30-day trials

that was you can get a chip, for 30 days, drive with it, see the MPG difference, see response difference - take the car to the track and drive @ 150MPH (because there is no more governor) - and then decide if you want something like this permanently

[FrankA6]

Then what would you call it? The car is not even close to a POS. It is fully loaded with more features then my car has even, has similar power, more reliable. I doesn't have the moddability of turbos, doesn't have AWD, but otherwise has everything my car has. I think to call it a POS is completely inaccurate. Just because you may not like it as much does not mean it's crap. How many people have Range Rovers or other more expensive cars that break often and cost a ton to fix. Is it not considered a POS even though it cost a lot more then an A6? Price has nothing to do with it man. I am sorry if you think I am being rude or crude in my comments, but I am not defending my brothers car necessarily, just the mindset that a car is crap cause it's cheaper.

Ok well i will end this, because its going nowhere , go race your brother, come back and tell us how you did, i really do think you need your car chipped or flashed, stock will be just fine, as for the AWD and FWD thing, both cars dont have enuff power to matter which car is FWD and which is AWD, and i dont think any N/A motor with 255 HP is going to beat a Twin turbo motor with 250 HP, and i bet your car has more torque, i would put my money on you car, from a dig from roll from anything, and as for which car is better, the Audi wins over the Nissan, with design, build quality , you have AWD, its better in snow and rain, nicer inside, it prolly has more room also, so w/e, have fun with it, we dont need to bitch at each other. this is just a total waste of time and space. let me just ask you this, which car would you rather have?

[Kievskiy]

drama drama, and just to ask, why not sell the Audi and get one more maxima? why i am asking this because i don't think someone is in full understanding of WHAT IS THE C5 2.7t 6MT......even when its stock, if you know how to launch awd car then you good to go, and like Frank said go race him first and then come back and ask what did you do wrong.This thread is pointless and waste of space on the server, Peace out.

[nimski62]

okay first off here.. although an AWD car may launch better, its the most difficult car to launch. and another thing: AWD = LESS POWER AT THE WHEELS.

FWD has about 10-14% drive train loss.
AWD has close to 25% drive train loss.. = BIG diff.

My moms e430 4matic (AWD) ,(270hp) and an a nissan altima 3.5, the 3.5 WHOOPED its ass. 3 times.

I can almost GUARANTEE you the maxima is a faster car than a non chipped

[golovemd]

drama drama, and just to ask, why not sell the Audi and get one more maxima? why i am asking this because i don't think someone is in full understanding of WHAT IS THE C5 2.7t 6MT......even when its stock, if you know how to launch awd car then you good to go, and like Frank said go race him first and then come back and ask what did you do wrong.This thread is pointless and waste of space on the server, Peace out.

I am in FULL understanding. Perhaps you guys don't seem to understand what I am saying here. I had a discussion over whether my car or his would launch better. I know that mine would, thanks to the AWD. He thinks otherwise. I know what my car can and cannot do. Somehow, this got into a discussion of Anything less expensive then an Audi is a POS, for some reason I have to chip my car, and finally me coming back here to be told what I did wrong when I lose the race that is not going to happen simply because I don't street race. I thought you guys might find it amusing that he is so adamant about the fact he believes his car will launch better. I didn't know that it would turn into this. My apologies for trying to brighten a couple people's day with what I thought was an amusing story. Fuck it, just delete the thread mods, it obviously serves no purpose here.

[RomanA6]

okay first off here.. although an AWD car may launch better, its the most difficult car to launch. and another thing: AWD = LESS POWER AT THE WHEELS.

FWD has about 10-14% drive train loss.
AWD has close to 25% drive train loss.. = BIG diff.

My moms e430 4matic (AWD) ,(270hp) and an a nissan altima 3.5, the 3.5 WHOOPED its ass. 3 times.

I can almost GUARANTEE you the maxima is a faster car than a non chipped

not from a dig! unless you suck at driving

from a dig the AWD will edge out; but from a roll, it really is down to the driver: how good your shifts are, what gear you start off with and what RPM's

I've done the same thing that OP is posting: stock a6 2.7T 6-spd vs. 2002-2003 Maxima 6spd

from a dig, A6 no contest; from a roll its a little harder; a chipped A6 will walk a stock Maxima without a problem, then again - how fair is that?

AWD = less power at the wheels, but you have 4 wheels going and NO burnout

FWD = 2 wheels going, heavy car, definite burnout

for the record: I never launched my car while "racing" from a dig past 4500 RPM's - never had to