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    OK, OK now I'm in big trouble. The next stage in the car's development is near. We have just about finalized everything but I hope within a couple of weeks all will be in place for the "makeover". My goal is to increase my power at the wheels from the 240 WHP on 94 octane (255 WHP on 109 octane) to about 290 to 300 WHP range (on 94 octane) depending on the turbo to be used.

    I will most likely wait until after my last tracks days to get started on this little project, so possibly in October.

    AIR INTAKE :

    First I am getting rid of the OEM air intake box and going to this system made by ITG in the UK. This means the car will be running without a MAF and we will be using a "speed density" method to run the car.




    Here's the ITG air intake system on a STaSIS race car.



    AIR CONTROL:

    Since I'm using a new type of air intake, I won't need to re-circulate the air back into the system. We are now going to use a TIAL BOV. We are going to use the regular/smaller model with a stiff spring. We may start with a small opening to reduce the air outflow and work up to a bigger opening if needed.



    TURBO SYSTEM :

    There were 3 turbos we were looking at for this project. Unfortunately my original front runner is now almost out of the race. I wanted something original not mainstream at first. Something that almost no one else was using. I wanted to go the Mahle/STaSIS route with the IHI VF34 turbo. It is said it produces a bit more power than the GT28RS but even more important it spools up faster, some say up to 500 RPM faster.
    However there are some downsides to this turbo. First, you cannot rebuild this turbo. This means if it fails you need to buy a new turbo unlike the Garrett turbos which can be rebuilt. Second and most important because it was designed to be used primarily on Subaru STIs with a boxer engine (horizontally opposed) the turbo's design does not work well on a longitude oriented 1.8T as in the A4. There is an exhaust manifold made by a tuner in the UK to adapt the VF34 to a 1.8T but it is for the transverse mounted version of the 1.8T as in the A3 or Golf. My understanding is that Mahle had to get a custom made adapter to fit this exhaust manifold to the VF34 to change its exhaust flow orientation of the turbo to make it work on the STaSIS cars. This makes for a touchy exhaust manifold to turbo set up that needs constant looking after which I'm not ready to live with.

    So now we are down to two choices... The Garrett GT28R (smaller) and the GT2860RS (Disco potato) that APR uses on their Stage 3+. The priority is quick spool up with lots of torque at the bottom end and with more horse power in the higher RPM range (5000 -7000 RPM) than my "special" MTM K04 turbo. In either case both these turbo will have a T3 flange to mate to the exhaust manifold we plan on using unlike the T25 flange (smaller) that APR uses on their kit. After many discussions with several people it was decided we would go with the GT28R. They are confident we can get our goal of 290 to 300 WHP using 94 octane on a Dynapak with this turbo. That would be an increase of 50 to 60 WHP on 94 octane over my K04 and that would be great indeed. They told me to expect a greater gain on 109.

    Special thanks to Mike Hood for his inputs and time spent on the phone with me. In the end I did not go with his choice (GT28RS) but if I ever want more peak horse power I can always change the turbo.



    EXHAUST CONTROL :

    Although Garrett turbos come with internal wastegates it was decided to go with and external wastegate that will mate to the exhaust manifold. We are going with the TIAL V Band 44 mm wastegate.



    EXHAUST MANIFOLD :

    I want something a bit exotic! Something proven, something well made that will increase the performance level of the car. We are going with a stainless steel equal length tubular exhaust manifold made by Full Race. It also uses a T3 flange. Additionally we are sending Full Race an AIM bung to be installed on their manifold to read accurate EGTs. This will be fed to the AIM Pista for data logging and may even be available in real time in the dash display if I want it.



    SYSTEM MANAGEMENT :

    All these parts are nice and dandy but you need something to control the "package" and make them work in harmony together. With my current OEM ECU problems with the car I decided to go with a stand alone. This will give my tuner the full potential to tune my car for maximum efficiency and power. There will be several gas type programs, like 91 octane, 94 octane and most likely 109 octane or higher (leaded race gas) since I will be making a custom 3 inch exhaust system without a CAT. I will have a "true" Launch Control and I was told if I wanted a "Turbo Anti Lag" program I could have it too. However I'm not too keen on having it because of what it can do to the turbo and exhaust system. The choice of the stand alone we picked works hand in hand with the AIM MXL Pista data logger which is a bonus too. So here's our choice... The AUTRONIC SM4.


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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Finally makin some big boy power
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    lookin good man!

    i love that intake btw, looks sick! any more info on it?
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    Brilliant Red powah!

    What's happening with your K04?
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    I said it in another thread of yours and I'll repeat myself; I love reading all of your posts, because they're always interesting and a good change of pace from all of the usual posts around here. Keep us updated.
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    Very nice Mike, I hope I helped today on the phone. Good luck with your project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbrider View Post
    Very nice Mike, I hope I helped today on the phone. Good luck with your project.
    Yes sir everyones input was useful.

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    Nice, you'll enjoy the power. I bet you can get a pretty penny for that k04 too.
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    GT28r with custom tune FTW. thats what im running. (plus a thousand pounds) but thats besides the point ;)
    quick spool=low end power and pulls strong just about to redline.
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by A4natomical View Post
    GT28r with custom tune FTW. thats what im running.
    quick spool and pulls strong just about to redline.

    Do you have any dyno graphs? What kind of numbers are you getting from the car (peak torque and peak HP) and at what rpm?

    TIA

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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Jockey View Post
    Do you have any dyno graphs? What kind of numbers are you getting from the car (peak torque and peak HP) and at what rpm?

    TIA
    just b4 you posted that i was going to add, "i really need to get to a dyno when it cools down here. my mods are in my profile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4natomical View Post
    just b4 you posted that i was going to add, "i really need to get to a dyno when it cools down here. my mods are in my profile.
    Too late I just sent you a PM. LOL.

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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by A4natomical View Post
    GT28r with custom tune FTW. thats what im running. (plus a thousand pounds) but thats besides the point ;)
    quick spool=low end power and pulls strong just about to redline.
    Oddly, your profile pretty much has a basic eliminator kit as the hardware, not a 28R.

    What custom tune are you running?

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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Oddly, your profile pretty much has a basic eliminator kit as the hardware, not a 28R.

    What custom tune are you running?
    why wouldnt it be a 28R?

    the p.o. had it tuned, not me.
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Well, the 28R is an entirely different turbo setup than the GTRS Eliminator...

    28R has far less power potential than the eliminator.

    From the looks of the hardware list you posted, it looks as if you are running a standard ATP/Eurocode Eliminator setup, who is the PO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Well, the 28R is an entirely different turbo setup than the GTRS Eliminator...

    28R has far less power potential than the eliminator.

    From the looks of the hardware list you posted, it looks as if you are running a standard ATP/Eurocode Eliminator setup, who is the PO?
    ohh gotcha.

    here's what i thought an eliminator always was. basically a bigger turbo in the stock location.

    so i now take it that an eliminator is gtrs and up in the stock location.

    and yes i am aware that the gtrs has more potential.
    thanks for the info, ill remove that eliminator part.

    the only things i added were the atp manifold and evo raceworks tp
    his name is taylor.
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    The autotronic unit is very popular among the MR2 crowd...and people have put out very good numbers with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post
    The autotronic unit is very popular among the MR2 crowd...and people have put out very good numbers with that.

    It's very popular with the Subaru and EVO crowd too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4natomical View Post
    ohh gotcha.

    here's what i thought an eliminator always was. basically a bigger turbo in the stock location.

    so i now take it that an eliminator is gtrs and up in the stock location.

    and yes i am aware that the gtrs has more potential.
    thanks for the info, ill remove that eliminator part.

    the only things i added were the atp manifold and evo raceworks tp
    his name is taylor.
    A GT28R will not bolt to the stock exhaust manifold, the only thing that is SOMEWHAT close is the AWE kit, which uses an adaptor plate to mate to the stock 3 bolt exhaust manifold. The Elim kits are only 2 turbo's for our cars, the GTRS and 71R. They are considered K04 "Eliminators" because they can bolt in place of a stock turbo without changing ANYTHING else except the turbo. Meaning you could take a stock car, order only the GTRS/71R turbo, remove the K03, and bolt it in its place using the same cat, inlet pipe, lines, etc

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    Awesome. I wish I had the balls/budget to do that to my A4, and that exhaust manifold is seven different kinds of sexy.

    So whats going to happen to that "special" K04 of yours? I just happen to be in the market for one, and it'd be a shame to let it sit around doing nothing.

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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by absolutegtr View Post
    Finally makin some big boy power
    I think that depends on which GT28r he ends up going with since there are a few different versions. But have to remember mike already makes around 310chp with his special K04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nihil View Post
    Awesome. I wish I had the balls/budget to do that to my A4, and that exhaust manifold is seven different kinds of sexy.

    So whats going to happen to that "special" K04 of yours? I just happen to be in the market for one, and it'd be a shame to let it sit around doing nothing.

    Well everything is going to be sold at some time. I may already have a few people interested.

    If someone as the right car (matching my ECU ) then someone will be all set.

    Don't forget the ECU as no immo in it so no reprogramming needed. It as left foot braking, regular programming and 109 octane programming. You need the MTM injectors which will go with the kit, the special MTM K04, the MTM downpipe with race CAT with extended Lambda sensor harness and of course my JJ TIP which is required with this turbo.

    I hope I'll be as happy with my new set up as I am with this one... It is great!
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    great setup, a little overkill IMO for your power goals, but you were always balls to the wall
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by A4ringedONE8T View Post
    A GT28R will not bolt to the stock exhaust manifold, the only thing that is SOMEWHAT close is the AWE kit, which uses an adaptor plate to mate to the stock 3 bolt exhaust manifold. The Elim kits are only 2 turbo's for our cars, the GTRS and 71R. They are considered K04 "Eliminators" because they can bolt in place of a stock turbo without changing ANYTHING else except the turbo. Meaning you could take a stock car, order only the GTRS/71R turbo, remove the K03, and bolt it in its place using the same cat, inlet pipe, lines, etc
    perfectly stated. thanks for the clarification. i did not know the gt28r's needed adapters or a new mani.
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    does this look pretty normal???

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    Your gasket for the exhaust discharge is not where it should be.

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    ^lol read my mind
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    Incomplete install photo, if you look close there is no TIP either.

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    What the coloring or the gasket?

    How the hell does a gasket end up where this one is (assuming I'm seeing right)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Incomplete install photo, if you look close there is no TIP either.

    Perhaps (good thinking Greg) and I hope so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Incomplete install photo, if you look close there is no TIP either.
    i assumed so because there's no nuts on the studs either. and who says you need a TIP?
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    wow thats weird your gasket has fallen out of place or something.
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    It is not weird, if you pay closer attention the the picture, it looks as if somebody were replacing a cracked exhaust manifold with a new one, there is not even a nut on the stud from the turbo to downpipe.

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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    You guys are pretty dense

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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    You guys are pretty dense

    Blah, blah, blah...

    For Christ sake it's a long weekend dude, no ones thinking right! :-)
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    It is not weird, if you pay closer attention the the picture, it looks as if somebody were replacing a cracked exhaust manifold with a new one, there is not even a nut on the stud from the turbo to downpipe.
    But it still isn't on right and this means he has to pull the cat/tp back off to get the gasket back on. Not doing it right the first time is WRONG.

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    hahah. good eye. i was swapping my cat for a TP in that pic.
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    It is not weird, if you pay closer attention the the picture, it looks as if somebody were replacing a cracked exhaust manifold with a new one, there is not even a nut on the stud from the turbo to downpipe.
    and yes thats correct too.
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    Quote Originally Posted by mike-2ptzero View Post
    But it still isn't on right and this means he has to pull the cat/tp back off to get the gasket back on. Not doing it right the first time is WRONG.
    I entirely agree with you on this sir! Also if they were changing a part shouldn't you replace the old gasket by a new one? I know I would.
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    Re: New mods going into the car over the next few months...

    If you look even closer, it has swung down like that because when her removed the exhaust manifold, the stud came out from the back of the turbo and most likely the nut is still attached.

    He does not have to pull anything off, just swing it up and insert the stud.

    Everything happens for a reason!!!

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