southbend clutch

[fernando]

i would just like to know what stage southbend clutch i should go with with GT2871r eliminator......would still like to keep stock pedal feel.....do alot of city driving



Thank you

[onemoremile]

4.

If heading to the drag strip add the SS pressure plate. This bumps up the pedal pressure though. I've got a left knee full of titanium screws and transplanted ligaments and mine isn't a concern in any way.

[mike-2ptzero]

4.

If heading to the drag strip add the SS pressure plate. This bumps up the pedal pressure though. I've got a left knee full of titanium screws and transplanted ligaments and mine isn't a concern in any way.

Stage 4 already comes with the SS pressure plate, stages 1-3 come with the HD pressure plate. If he is going to hit the drag strip or wants to launch the car often he should go with the stage 5.

[turboquattro068]

I'm also going to be upgrading the clutch soon, I had a stage four southbend and stock flywheel I was going to put in but my mechanic moved away and must have sold it or something on me, F"N Pissed about it but w/e.

Anyways, do you guys recommend going with the lightweight flywheel that southbend sells? I've heard to stick with the stock because its a dual mass and is very strong.......but losing 13lbs at the flywheel would be noticeably NICE! Just curious from some of you that have used the lightweight....

And if I were you, "the thread starter", I'd go with the stg 4 if you weren't going to hit the track twice a month, and race people every other day in your car. But if your going to do all this then I suggest hitting the stg 5 up, better to get more outta of it then end up slipping or replacing afterwards, right?

[fernando]

i won't be taking my car to the drag strip....i will ocasionally take my car to the road course track...

[mike-2ptzero]

I'm also going to be upgrading the clutch soon, I had a stage four southbend and stock flywheel I was going to put in but my mechanic moved away and must have sold it or something on me, F"N Pissed about it but w/e.

Anyways, do you guys recommend going with the lightweight flywheel that southbend sells? I've heard to stick with the stock because its a dual mass and is very strong.......but losing 13lbs at the flywheel would be noticeably NICE! Just curious from some of you that have used the lightweight....

And if I were you, "the thread starter", I'd go with the stg 4 if you weren't going to hit the track twice a month, and race people every other day in your car. But if your going to do all this then I suggest hitting the stg 5 up, better to get more outta of it then end up slipping or replacing afterwards, right?

13lbs loss? The SB flywheel is 20 lbs which is 4-6 lbs lighter then stock. To get close to that 13 lbs loss you would need to go with the 15 lbs Spec Billet flywheel.

[tamadrumr88]

Unless you're driving a lightweight and front wheel drive car I don't know if I could ever go back to a light(er) weight flywheel. I have a 9lb flywheel in my road race civic hatch and it's a bear to drive on the street with a stronger/grippier than stock clutch

Granted the car makes half the torque that the 1.8t's make (at full boost, off-idle is god awful though on the 1.8t's) but it only weighs about 1900lbs (~210hp ) and the engine doesn't have to drive two additional wheels (which are also almost twice the weight of my wheel/tire combos at under 30lbs at each corner)

Cliff notes: My lighter front wheel drive car is a bear around town, I can only imagine a much heavier and awd car that has barely any torque off-idle when pulling out at anything less than a 5k clutch drop. I haven't personally driven a heavy/awd car with a lightweight flywheel so I'm sure someone will insist that my opinion doesn't mean jack, but I feel that this general lesson might be helpful to some

[blmlozz]

i have the stage 5/20lB fW/full face, might be a bit concerned about the longevity of the disc, just because i've only got about 15K on it and it's already at the top of the pedal (the acutal top, as in when it's fully extended) but I can't complain about the performance, it has a very on/off feel and it's not easy to drive, even with experience unless you've been playing with it for a few days you'll look like a 16year old, I still do when it's apart for a few days and i start driving it again. Because it's at the top of the pedal I'm a little concerned about it heating up, since when it does it has no where to go and it feels like it might not acutaly engage fully.


total system weight with the lighter flywheel turned out to be the same as the stock dual-mass with stock clutch/pressure plate so round-town driving is acutaly easy if you can learn where it engages. if i'm very carefull I can still get the car to roll by it-self without touching the throttle.

[sean1.8t]

If he is going to hit the drag strip or wants to launch the car often he should go with the stage 5.

truth!

take it from my experience.

the stg 4 was a lot nicer for daily driving than my stg 5 is. but it still isn't even that bad

[turboquattro068]

how about a stg4 from awe, and a fidanza lightweight flywheel, or should I just have my stock flywheel resurfaced, you guys tell me the shit about the flywheel because I've heard so many different stories

[Don Supreme]

I run a SB stage 4... I don't have that many miles on it, but it has survived 2 trips to the track with several 6000 RPM drops.... However, I am concerned it wont hold up on the next visit......

[turboquattro068]

anyone else want to chime in? Also I won't be installing my big turbo for awhile, but that doesn't matter does it?

[Wizard-of-OD]

Stage 4 for a GT2871R?

[sean1.8t]

all anyone needs to know in regards to getting a southbend clutch

if you are going to ever launch the car: get a stg 5

if you are not going to launch the car: get a stg 4

simple as that. there is no stg 1 2 or 3 to think about. you need one of these 2. unless you are planning on sticking to the k03 forever then you can go stg 3. but the launching still applies.

and for reference. i've driven both of the stg 4 and 5 clutches for over 10,000 miles each

[mike-2ptzero]

all anyone needs to know in regards to getting a southbend clutch

if you are going to ever launch the car: get a stg 5

if you are not going to launch the car: get a stg 4

simple as that. there is no stg 1 2 or 3 to think about. you need one of these 2. unless you are planning on sticking to the k03 forever then you can go stg 3. but the launching still applies.

and for reference. i've driven both of the stg 4 and 5 clutches for over 10,000 miles each

Well that really depends on the turbo setup and whp.


BT
street - stage 4
street - launching stage 5

3071-3076r
street - stage 5 ofe street
street/launching - better get a SB DXD or a puck setup from Spec/CM or a CM twin plate.

[fernando]

Well that really depends on the turbo setup and whp.


BT
street - stage 4
street - launching stage 5

3071-3076r
street - stage 5 ofe street
street/launching - better get a SB DXD or a puck setup from Spec/CM or a CM twin plate.

well i ordered my SB stage 4 clutch, will be using it with my GT2871r setup....don't plan on hitting the drag strip, any lauching done will be just a little off the light fun...no plans to be doing any 6k launches

[onemoremile]

I've got at least a couple thousand road course miles on my stage 4. About 50k street miles too. And some autocross launches, hot dry pavement launches, etc.. It has never been an issue whatsoever. You may say that my K04 doesn't burden the clutch as much as a larger turbo but it is enough to make my 160 treadwear tires spin. Any more torque and the tires still spin. The only place I'd need a bigger clutch is top gear pulls at full boost or drag launches with slicks and/or a prepped track.

My 4 (OFE with SS plate) was rated at 420tq for an AWD or 450tq for a FWD so a 71r shouldn't be a problem. Plenty of folks have run it with a 3071 without a problem.

[317ssayzarc]

guess my sb stage 4 is toast with a 35r and antilag lol

[sean1.8t]

Well that really depends on the turbo setup and whp.


BT
street - stage 4
street - launching stage 5

3071-3076r
street - stage 5 ofe street
street/launching - better get a SB DXD or a puck setup from Spec/CM or a CM twin plate.

no, stg 4 should hold fine for most power up until a 35r. with the 1.8L motor you're not going to make much more than 400 wtq anyways.

i just mean, after driving both of them, the stg 4 is a really strong holding clutch and it drives buttery smooth. it just can't handle multiple launches as i and a few others have proved.

the stg 5 will do repeated launches. but it's a bit tricky/annoying to drive everyday in traffic(with a lwfw at least)

[Don Supreme]

As I said............ I run a Stage 4 (and I have GT35R) and I have launched the fuck out of it many many times @ the track and street.

[mike-2ptzero]

no, stg 4 should hold fine for most power up until a 35r. with the 1.8L motor you're not going to make much more than 400 wtq anyways.

i just mean, after driving both of them, the stg 4 is a really strong holding clutch and it drives buttery smooth. it just can't handle multiple launches as i and a few others have proved.

the stg 5 will do repeated launches. but it's a bit tricky/annoying to drive everyday in traffic(with a lwfw at least)

How many A4's have you driven that made 400wtq and were using a SB stage 4?


Jordan had no problem getting his SB clutch to let go and he is running a GT28 series turbo on his built engine.


Stage 5 tricky to drive on the street? Are you 100 lbs with a thin left leg?

[slopoke]

do you still have the stock flywheel Don?

[Don Supreme]

do you still have the stock flywheel Don?

I did........... We installed a light weight unit, but I haven't driven the car with it yet.

[sean1.8t]

Stage 5 tricky to drive on the street? Are you 100 lbs with a thin left leg?

i never said it was hard to depress the pedal. as it wouldn't be any harder than a stg 4 as it uses the same SS pressure plate. but you knew that one already ..


i meant it is not as smooth engaging wise as the stage 4. as it has the all feramic disk. more on off than the stg 4 was.

[mike-2ptzero]

i never said it was hard to depress the pedal. as it wouldn't be any harder than a stg 4 as it uses the same SS pressure plate. but you knew that one already ..


i meant it is not as smooth engaging wise as the stage 4. as it has the all feramic disk. more on off than the stg 4 was.

Still wont be all that hard to get used to driving on the street, I used to drive mine with a 6 puck and thats going to be more on/off then a full face stage 5 FE. It all just comes down to rev matching before releasing the clutch.

[fernando]

got my clutch today, and as a first time buyer from southbend i am really upset, and will not reccomend anyone from canada to buy a clucth from them.
as good as the clutch might be it is not worth $800 for just astage 4 clutch with no flywheel...you would think that they would try and help out customers, but instead they gave me in the ass harder, as result i had to pay an extra $143 in custom fees....really pissed off at that, anyone that i have bought anything from the states has alway been kind enough to help out so that people dont have to pay through the nose when buying their stuff....but any how that only my 2 cents.....just blowing off some steam.....this clutch really better be worth it

[Avant1.8BT]

800$ my stage 4 was like 450$ shipped..

[fernando]

800$ my stage 4 was like 450$ shipped..

ya but you don't live in canada....i had to pay an extra $143 of taxes and other bs fees, ontop of $585 cost of clutch $35 shipping, and then factor in the exchange rate cnd $ to us $ i'm up to $800

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

Who did you buy it from?
I paid $505 shipped stage 4 ofe ss

[fernando]

Who did you buy it from?
I paid $505 shipped stage 4 ofe ss

i bought it directly from southbend

[fernando]

If you wanted to have it shipped USPS you should have went thru a Southbend dealer like myself. I would have only charged you the USPS charge from me to you.

mike i guess i needed to do this to learn my lesson....next time i will know better....

While here i would just like to ask you a question.....howcome one side of the clutch disk is like a metal face disk???

[mike-2ptzero]

mike i guess i needed to do this to learn my lesson....next time i will know better....

While here i would just like to ask you a question.....howcome one side of the clutch disk is like a metal face disk???

The stage 3 and stage 4 use an organic material (like stock uses) to allow a smoother engagement. Using metal on both sides will give the clutch a more on/off feeling, the stage 5 uses metal on both sides.