Are HIDs OK on stock housings?

[A4 KiDD 810]

I know I'm being a thread whore lately, I cant help it . Anyway, here's another question since I'm getting HIDs soon, I had to take off my aftermarket headlights because there is a warning on them that I cant use HIDs the housing is not meant for that kind of heat I guess, anyway I have my stock headlights on for now, planning on clear cornering them tomorrow and maybe some film tint on the stockers since my black on black setup doesnt really go with the chrome headlights, but then i'm worried the tint will affect the light output, but thats a whole other issue. I just want to know if I can use HIDs on the stock headlights without the housing or something melting......

Thanks again for all the continued help through all this recent whoring.

Ps- I'll probly be selling my aftermarket headlights if the stocks can withstand HIDs so look in the classified if you need some.

Also 1 more question since im asking a headlight question anyway. Today for the first time on the top of the back side of the grille, I noticed what looked like a ballast ? metal, and it had wires coming out of it that went into a clip that looked barely different from the one that connects to the headlights... but it was plugged into another clip idk what that was. I'm pretty sure these wires go to both sides of the car.

[pizdetsauduxa]

yeap, theyll even be ok with the aftermarket ones btw

u may miss ur chrome stockies with your black out. i do sometimes

[A4 KiDD 810]

yeap, theyll even be ok with the aftermarket ones btw

u may miss ur chrome stockies with your black out. i do sometimes

Are you sure ? On the side there was a warning label that said "NO HID BALBS ALLOWED" and yes i said BALBS, I guess the Taiwanese spelled it wrong lol. The plastic for the housings seemed basically the same as stock, but I dont wanna ruin the headlights just because I didnt listen to a warning even if it seemed the same as the stockies.

[Mikef5000]

HID bulbs run MUCH cooler than Halogen, so you will not melt anything.

I have a related question though, will the "headlight bulb burnt out" warning come on if I use an HID conversion kit? Because the HID's pull only 35 watts, where as the standard bulbs pulled 55 watts.

[A4 KiDD 810]

HID bulbs run MUCH cooler than Halogen, so you will not melt anything.

I have a related question though, will the "headlight bulb burnt out" warning come on if I use an HID conversion kit? Because the HID's pull only 35 watts, where as the standard bulbs pulled 55 watts.

I think some kits include or offer the thing i forgot what its called its a resistor that prevents the light out message, or you could just get 55 watt HID bulbs . I think i'm gonna go with the kit from DDMtuning.com they have 35 and 55 watt bulbs and they have that resistor you asked about for a little extra, and a lifetime warranty on the kit. Cant get any better. For just over $100 shipped. I read someone recommended them in the B7 section.

[Dolphin18T]

Heat is not the reason they are suggesting you not use HIDs in the housings. Its because those Taiwanese housings do not have the right projectors to display the HID light pattern. It will be a glaring, blinding mess coming out of those housings.

[FourRings80]

Heat is not the reason they are suggesting you not use HIDs in the housings. Its because those Taiwanese housings do not have the right projectors to display the HID light pattern. It will be a glaring, blinding mess coming out of those housings.

+1 on that, read this hid conversion thread:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...hid+conversion

[A4 KiDD 810]

^Ok thanks both of you, so I guess I'll keep the stockies on then.

[A4 KiDD 810]

Hey after reading that link, my stock headlights say Valeo on the back, but the lighting isnt xenon... its regular dull halogen. Does this have something to do with that ballast I noticed before ? Maybe if I change the plugs they will be xenon ? idk

[FourRings80]

This was posted a few days ago and has great information in it

http://www.lltek.com/PRS_bin/PRS_69_...sts_claire.htm

[A4 KiDD 810]

Thanks for confusing the crap out of me lol.

[Dolphin18T]

Sooo, you have halogen housings but they already have the ballasts in them?? I'm confused too

[A4 KiDD 810]

No they dont have balasts in them. I said I just noticed what looked like 1 balast, on the top of the back of the grille area, and it has wires coming out going to both sides of the car, and the wires end in a clip that is plugged into another clip, I just didnt know what it was.

[Shi-Fu JaY]

I installed H.I.D's on my stock housing.
no problems at all.
no melting....nothing.

You will need H7 adaptors, they cost about $4-$7.
I bought OEM Koito ballast which came off a Lexus, bulb was Phillips 4300K D2R.
yeah, it came with D2R (reflect) bulbs. but all you need to do to change it to D2S is scrape off the black film on the bulb with a blade, clean the bulb with nail polish, and BAM you have a D2S bulb.

[Tgr_Clw]

It's not okay to run HID in non-HID housing imo. Too much glare for oncoming traffic. Yes even with halogen projector housings.

[Dolphin18T]

No they dont have balasts in them. I said I just noticed what looked like 1 balast, on the top of the back of the grille area, and it has wires coming out going to both sides of the car, and the wires end in a clip that is plugged into another clip, I just didnt know what it was.

I still can't understand what you're trying to describe, sorry. Pics??

[A4 KiDD 810]

I still can't understand what you're trying to describe, sorry. Pics??

Tomorrow, its pitch black now, i dont even care its probly nothing.

[A4 KiDD 810]

I installed H.I.D's on my stock housing.
no problems at all.
no melting....nothing.

You will need H7 adaptors, they cost about $4-$7.
I bought OEM Koito ballast which came off a Lexus, bulb was Phillips 4300K D2R.
yeah, it came with D2R (reflect) bulbs. but all you need to do to change it to D2S is scrape off the black film on the bulb with a blade, clean the bulb with nail polish, and BAM you have a D2S bulb.

Where do they sell H7 adaptors and are they hard to install ? And what do they do? I'm completely new to all this HID, balast, adaptor stuff.

[Dolphin18T]

Where do they sell H7 adaptors and are they hard to install ? And what do they do? I'm completely new to all this HID, balast, adaptor stuff.

If you're buying the DDM kit, you wont need an adapter. The bulbs they come with are already re-based to fit the H7 projectors.

Here's a thread I made after I swapped the HID projectors into my halogen housings:
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182190

I never could get the bulbs to seat correctly in the original halogen projectors and they looked terrible before I did the swap. Other members have told me they had better luck though.

BTW, what temp. are you looking to get?

[A4 KiDD 810]

If you're buying the DDM kit, you wont need an adapter. The bulbs they come with are already re-based to fit the H7 projectors.

Here's a thread I made after I swapped the HID projectors into my halogen housings:
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182190

I never could get the bulbs to seat correctly in the original halogen projectors and they looked terrible before I did the swap. Other members have told me they had better luck though.

BTW, what temp. are you looking to get?

Well I was thinking 8000k first but with my black on black i really dont want that much blue in the headlights weather they are lights or actual parts of the car. So I think i'm gonna go with 5000k or 6000k. I think i'm just a matching freak with my car lol (which is why I would never think of some crazy color combo that works nicely in the end like Shi-Fu Jay's car lol.) but the white shade HIDs are nice too. Yea the white's match better because my car is kind of a black with a chrome/white sub color with the chrome lip wheels, white part left on the murdered tails, stock chrome grille trim, and now stock headlights. I like to keep everything flowing though as good as i can.

[Dolphin18T]

I would go with 6000k, not 8000k.

[Shi-Fu JaY]

haha A4 KiDD 810, the night I finished painting my wheel, and installed them, I was like "WTF did I just do?" the next morning I went out to look at the car, it was the most beautiful piece of art I have ever seen lol!

H7 adaptors can be found on ebay for cheap.
I bought my OEM Koito Lexus slim ballast and Philips bulb off ebay for $135 shipped.

so I spent about $150 for everything and its OEM quality. No faulty ballast like alot of aftermaket kits.
been using it for about 2 1/2 years now

and yeah, 6000K bulbs are perfect for output, and color temp. anything higher...ehhhhhhhh!

[AudiA4Turbo22]

don;t even try with the angel eyes, i mean they were horrible worse than halogen projection.

[a4darkness]

Here's my install. Might be of some help to you, A4 KiDD 810. Links are at the end of the post.

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/1103482.phtml

[DownhillA4]

Well I have to first say thanks to A4Kidd180 for starting this thread since this past week there have been alot of threads on HID lighting. Second, you guys have posted up some useful links and previous threads on HID conversions, really appreciate it. I'm itching to get rid of my Halogen lights.

[pOrKcHoP07]

Step 1: Clear Corner OEM Lights
Step 2: Install H7 4300k or 6000k HID kit
Step 3: Aim
Step 4: Enjoy....

Contrary to popular opinion our halogen "projectors" work fine with hids. I installed them last month and don't have any glare at all. I think the key is to aim them correctly, bc I was worried about the glare but after install my friends have driven in front of me and they look like an OEM set-up.

FYI - I couldn't get the VVME kit cuz of some shipping problem they had. I got the Xentec on Ebay for 75 shipped with 2 year warranty.

[a4darkness]

Agreed. Proper aiming is key. Never cool to blind other drivers. More info can be found here...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

[Mikef5000]

Can I get more info about the needed resistors? Can I go through VAG and simply shut down that warning light forever?

[mxrz]

Contrary to popular opinion our halogen "projectors" work fine with hids.

I fixed it for you:

Contrary to known facts, I like to believe our halogen "projectors" work fine with hids.

Agreed. Proper aiming is key. Never cool to blind other drivers. More info can be found here...
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

You agree, yet you post a link from a website that also contains all the info on why it's not true:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

And no, our projectors aren't special.

[Dolphin18T]

I fixed it for you:






You agree, yet you post a link from a website that also contains all the info on why it's not true:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

And no, our projectors aren't special.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I want to know what the technical difference between the halogen projectors and the HID projectors are.

[pOrKcHoP07]

thanks for the correction...I saved about $600ish on an OEM s4 retrofit and they look and perform the same.

I could understand if I was installing a kit into halogen REFLECTORS, but I guess my halogen PROJECTORS must be special cuz they look just like the OEM XENONS w/o the unnecessary glare.

[demea]

I bought the Valeo OEM kit with 6000k bulbs from hidconcept.com.
Surprised no one has mentioned him. Fast shipping, OEM parts, exact fit with H7 adapters
I love them and the cutoff is exactly (to the naked eye) the same as my brothers 06 Maxima and his are factory.
A little more than the VVME kit, but its OEM.
My favorite mod yet!

[mxrz]

thanks for the correction...I saved about $600ish on an OEM s4 retrofit and they look and perform the same.

I could understand if I was installing a kit into halogen REFLECTORS, but I guess my halogen PROJECTORS must be special cuz they look just like the OEM XENONS w/o the unnecessary glare.

You just don't know what you're looking at, that's all. The earth looked flat to people, so they assumed it is.

[Dolphin18T]

You just don't know what you're looking at, that's all. The earth looked flat to people, so they assumed it is.

So... what's the difference?

[mxrz]

So... what's the difference?

The condenser lens optics are based on a different formula given the fundamentally different photometric properties of the light source. The link above explains the difference between a halogen filament and a HID arc. They are nothing alike, and that's why the lens is different as well.

[Dolphin18T]

The condenser lens optics are based on a different formula given the fundamentally different photometric properties of the light source. The link above explains the difference between a halogen filament and a HID arc. They are nothing alike, and that's why the lens is different as well.

Where's the proof that the lens is different?

[mxrz]

Call Valeo if you want proof. I'm not gonna open my housings just because the science behind how it works is not good enough for you.

[Dolphin18T]

Call Valeo if you want proof. I'm not gonna open my housings just because the science behind how it works is not good enough for you.

Heh. It doesn't really bother me. I just figured you had already figured this out since you seem so adamant about posting diatribes about HID misuse.

When I was swapping mine out I couldn't see any difference between the HID and halogen lenses.

[mxrz]

Heh. It doesn't really bother me. I just figured you had already figured this out since you seem so adamant about posting diatribes about HID misuse.

Not gonna dignify such garbage with an answer… You should be a journalist.

[JonnyQ]

Why not pick up a set of S4 grey housing xenon or bixenon ecodes and do it right. Then you'll never have to upgrade anything with your headlights again.