Want to get a BT on my TIP need advice...

[romell]

Aright... after having my car for almost two years, its been through helll... lots of changes.. been in the wrong hands a lot of times.. ive gone through 4 intercoolers, 3 exhuast, 6 sets of rims, 2 sets of hoods, and phew.. list goes on and on... now ive got my finicial status on lock. i know where i am in money, budget etc etc... i do not want to spend $6000 on a whole motor build and what not.. but i do want to spend some money on my car to make it a little fast. As of now i have Revo Stage 1, and a GFB Hybrid BOV/DV, Tints, and stock b7 17" wheels (split 5 spoke).... my car has about 56K miles on it and its a 2005 USP... i had a lot of problems so my first list of things to do is fix my front USP bumper which was got pretty nicely damaged... That will be about 200 to paint and etc etc... and then i have two magnaflow mufflers i think they are the 14851s (the one that everyone gets) which i will put on after that.. and neuspeed race springs or coils.. whatever i get a better deal on. so that is my first off list.... now i need someone who has very good experience with TIP trans (RLB6) to help me out in my build. I would like to go to a turbo where i can feel myself being put back into the seat.. i dont mean nor do i think i will get to a point where i feel like in a t60 turbo kinda pinned back.. but to the point where i can smile as my RPM/Speedometer shoot up. I want to know what i will need exactly... from point A to point B. i mean everything from a timing belt/water pump to spark plugs and coolant. i want to do this build properly. and i wanna start getting parts together now so i can get this car in a proper manner. So if someone can help me... this thread is going out to the guys who have great experience with TIP trans and aftermarket products.. such as Clint, Shawn (fifteen52), RLB6, DOugyFresh, Greg, Audi Skate Snow.. etc etc.. if i didnt mention ur name dont feel offended those are just the few people i have chatted with or interacted with or seen post.. so thanks guys in advance and sorry for the novel... i will be spending the next couple of months building this car.. this car is not for HIN shows... nor is for competing in the tracks.. i just want a car that will be fast, handle well, look good. and just be a nice car to have... at first i was going to sell the car.. but owed to much at that point.. and now i figured im gonna ownthis car till the day that it blows up on me.. eventhen ill rebuild it.. please dnt hit me back up with... get a manul trans.. or something.. or all that crap.. cause i wont... im going to keep it tip. so thanks guys.. and thanks for reading.

[romell]

bumppp

[romell]

and turbos like the gt71r (elim kit) and the GTRS can u externally wastegate them?

[F16HTON]

You cannot externally wastegate the eliminators, but they are a great setup on the TIP tranny, I just installed one with the ER sport FMIC last Thursday for a kid that brought his car to Eurocode from Nor*Cal.

[romell]

hm.. interesting.. and no problems with the TIP at all what so ever?

and what did he need from top to bottom.. if u dont mind..

and gtrs or gt71 elim kit (the one that RLb6 runs)

and should i even waste my time with ko4 or complete waste of money...

[F16HTON]

Rommel in my opinion the K04 will be harder on the TIP than the GTRS, my resoning for this is the torque hits harder and earlier than the GTRS does, although the GTRS will make much more power.

On this particular car I just did the install on, the customer bought the GTRS, ATP Manifold, Neuspeed Extreme TIP with 3" adaptor, ATP test pipe, 550cc injectors, REVO programming, ER Sport Intercooler.

The install was very straightforward and pretty easy, I removed the front bumper and removed the OEM intercooler setup, then I installed the ER sport intercooler (easy task). This was all done while the motor was still warm, then I moved onto the fuel rail and installed the injectors and new spark plugs.

By now everything was cool enough and I removed the Carbonio airbox the cvar came in with and the OEM turbo, manifold and cat. I took all of them off seperatly but you could do it all at once to save time.

Now it is time to install the turbo and stuff, there are a few tricks of the trade that insiders know about, one is clocking the compressor housing so it lines up with the intercooler piping a little better, the other is clocking the center section to it lines up with the oil return line better.

One thing we did on this car was to replace every single vaccum line on the car as well as all of the check valves while we did the install, the reasoning for this was to ensure the customer would be able to enjoy the setup for a long time without any boost leaks or issues.

I also reran his boost gauge as it was not installed properly (connected to the turbo instead of the intake manifold).

The GTRS pulls very nicely on a TIP tranny and has very smooth power.

[romell]

haha i like how u spelled my name after the general Rommel... (i was name after him) but its spelled romell... anyways thanks man.. so i guess gtrs it is.. that was a nice little post quick answers.. but now would ithurt my tranny at all? and its ognne be pinning me in my seat right?

and what else can i ask..

can i get away with like a apikol intercooler. or do i need a FMIC..

and what injectors cause i hear so much shit bout those god..

and what spark plugs

and

anything else u think it imp for me to know while im piecing together this turbo upgrade. thanks man thanks a lot for all your help.

[romell]

and i have revo stage one so its only like 200 more right?

[F16HTON]

haha i like how u spelled my name after the general Rommel... (i was name after him) but its spelled romell... anyways thanks man.. so i guess gtrs it is.. that was a nice little post quick answers.. but now would ithurt my tranny at all? and its ognne be pinning me in my seat right?

and what else can i ask..

can i get away with like a apikol intercooler. or do i need a FMIC..

and what injectors cause i hear so much shit bout those god..

and what spark plugs

and

anything else u think it imp for me to know while im piecing together this turbo upgrade. thanks man thanks a lot for all your help.

I cannot speak about the Apikol because I do not have any experience with it but I think it gets hot as fuck in Jersey, correct?

It is not a pin you in the seat experience, but more of a sit way back and feel the car pull and pull.

I do not know of anyone who has hurt their TIP tranny, I would imagine if they did, they would be on here whining for sympathy though.

The spark plugs we use are the Bosch FR5DTC (tri-electrode, copper, one heat range colder)

[Condo]

Injectors: Genesis 550cc
Spark plugs: Click here.

The BT software upgrade is $200. Your local tuner may charge for labor though.

[AudiA4_20T]

Romell, seriously if your not going to touch the bottom end then I believe that the GTRS is one of the best setups out there. No one has a 28RS file besides APR that would take advantage of a custom setup. Once again, I think standalone is going to be the answer but its not truly plug and play yet

[AudiA4Turbo22]

Rommel in my opinion the K04 will be harder on the TIP than the GTRS, my resoning for this is the torque hits harder and earlier than the GTRS does, although the GTRS will make much more power.

On this particular car I just did the install on, the customer bought the GTRS, ATP Manifold, Neuspeed Extreme TIP with 3" adaptor, ATP test pipe, 550cc injectors, REVO programming, ER Sport Intercooler.

The install was very straightforward and pretty easy, I removed the front bumper and removed the OEM intercooler setup, then I installed the ER sport intercooler (easy task). This was all done while the motor was still warm, then I moved onto the fuel rail and installed the injectors and new spark plugs.

By now everything was cool enough and I removed the Carbonio airbox the cvar came in with and the OEM turbo, manifold and cat. I took all of them off seperatly but you could do it all at once to save time.

Now it is time to install the turbo and stuff, there are a few tricks of the trade that insiders know about, one is clocking the compressor housing so it lines up with the intercooler piping a little better, the other is clocking the center section to it lines up with the oil return line better.

One thing we did on this car was to replace every single vaccum line on the car as well as all of the check valves while we did the install, the reasoning for this was to ensure the customer would be able to enjoy the setup for a long time without any boost leaks or issues.

I also reran his boost gauge as it was not installed properly (connected to the turbo instead of the intake manifold).

The GTRS pulls very nicely on a TIP tranny and has very smooth power.

please tell me u come down to Socal like often to do my BT setup?

[RLB6]

Romell, we've spoke in the past about you going this route. I guess you're ready to go . Just to give you and anyone else here an update on my 71r elim setup.

I've been on this kit for over a year and a half now, beating on the tranny during the process. I have yet to have a single failure or cause for concern with any component, including engine and tranny. The tiptronic has been rumored to be weak. I know from experience that the rumor is far from the truth. The tiptronic can hold it's own, even up against the manuals...all you need is a suitable TC (torque converter).

GTRS is the way to go unless you plan on upgrading your TC, then I'd say go with a 71r or a full blown 28 series turbo setup, like the kit ER has available (I believe it's still in "BETA").

There's something about going WOT, through all the gears WITHOUT lifting the throttle. Shit is sure bliss!

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^Video or FAIL i will give u a bad rep point if i don't have a vid by friday lol

[F16HTON]

please tell me u come down to Socal like often to do my BT setup?

I'd gladly do your install. However, you would need to purchase from Eurocode and pay them for the hardware and install.

I work for David for free when I come to visit.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^exactly where i'm buying and installing from.

[F16HTON]

^^exactly where i'm buying from.

Awesome, just let David know when you are doing your install, I'll fly in and turn a few wrenches, David the the true guru when it comes to the B6, I am just fortunate that he taught me all I need to know.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

start packin lol.

[HTA A4]

I want pics as soon as ANYONE starts upgrading!!

[romell]

haahaa... hey RLB6, yeah we spoke i forgot your name man sorry been so long.. but i def want to chat with you.. cause ur the only daring one to go 71r.. and no i dont WANT to change my TC.. but hey if spending hte extra hundred on the turbo and extra 1500 (tc and install) is worth the extra power.. if any made withthe 71r... and the internerals arent hurt.. hmm could be nice.. ill be PMing you my number to call me whenever you can thanks man!

also... kinda of a stupid question casue i shoudl know the answer.. buti dont.. but... since the GTRS/GT71R ELim kits require you to rev to like 4k to get real good power.. would i be putting hell on my motor... like so much stress by revving it soo high.. and u know im the type of guy that ive been suspended twice... so ive calmed down.. A LOT.. 360 miles a tank kind of calmed down lol.. but i fear once i do this.. il be beating it.. so i was wondering.. how does it do on the motor... thanks guys!!

[widgget]

like RLB6 said, been a year and a half with no issues.

Of course revving higher will put more stress on the engine, but anything you do to add power will.

[romell]

bump..any other suggestions...

can soeone give me a full list with everythig from injectors to lines.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

run it efficiently so nothing gets damaged and the turbo lasts longer.

[romell]

thats what i want to do.. i want to run it so that its not like ODing the turbo.. but also i dont want to get it.. and oush like 7-8 lbs.. just wondering what does a gtrs on tip trans run as far as boost.. is it like 7-8 lbs or is it more like 15-18 spiking at like 24 like my ko3 does.

[b61.8ttt]

will a gtrs turbo upgrade work on apr stage 1+, or will i have to convert to revo?

[Condo]

will a gtrs turbo upgrade work on apr stage 1+, or will i have to convert to revo?

You'll need to get Revo BT software as well as 550cc injectors to run a GTRS.

[Condo]

thats what i want to do.. i want to run it so that its not like ODing the turbo.. but also i dont want to get it.. and oush like 7-8 lbs.. just wondering what does a gtrs on tip trans run as far as boost.. is it like 7-8 lbs or is it more like 15-18 spiking at like 24 like my ko3 does.

You can get an EBC and run whatever boost you want. I wouldn't go over 22 psi, maybe even 20 psi since you have a TIP. I didn't really notice much of a spike on my GTRS but it would hold the boost until stock redline.

[widgget]

thats what i want to do.. i want to run it so that its not like ODing the turbo.. but also i dont want to get it.. and oush like 7-8 lbs.. just wondering what does a gtrs on tip trans run as far as boost.. is it like 7-8 lbs or is it more like 15-18 spiking at like 24 like my ko3 does.

with the K0x the boost will come on earlier then drop right off and you have to shift to get back into the powerband. with a GTRS you won't get into boost until your just past 3k but it will keep pulling HARD past 7k.
you will end up boosting higher then the K0x, it just won't spike the tq as hard so it's much smoother on the transmission.

[b61.8ttt]

You'll need to get Revo BT software as well as 550cc injectors to run a GTRS.

so if i just get the eurocode GTRS eliminator package, i should be good?

[b61.8ttt]

and plus, do i have to put a test pipe on, because ive heard when u get a test pipe, your car gets louder and u smell gas

[b61.8ttt]

can i run a revo bt software with apr stage 1+?

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^r u serious?? dude how in the world are u gonna run a Big Turbo file on a car with a small turbo and injectors, c'mon now, it would never work.

[RLB6]

I wouldn't go over 22 psi, maybe even 20 psi since you have a TIP.

Why do you think by having a TIP he'll need to run lower boost than a manual

I run 23 PSI daily. When I first installed my elim, I was running 25 PSI all day long, on 93 octane. Just like I stated earlier in this thread, it's been over a year and a half and I'm still running strong with no issues whatsoever.

[Condo]

Why do you think by having a TIP he'll need to run lower boost than a manual

I run 23 PSI daily. When I first installed my elim, I was running 25 PSI all day long, on 93 octane. Just like I stated earlier in this thread, it's been over a year and a half and I'm still running strong with no issues whatsoever.

He wants to make sure that his setup doesn't run into any problems. He wants his turbo to last a long time and he's also not sure if he wants to upgrade his TC.

25 psi is a bit much. He could make more power by lowering the boost and adding timing. And maybe I remembered wrong, but I thought you mentioned once that your transmission was slipping a little bit.

[romell]

rlb6.. i pmd u my number. bro u gotta call me.... haha thanks.

[romell]

btw i called up IPT... and asked bout the tq and vb upgrae.. and they said 2500 give or take and i know the mechanics so i can get labor alittle cheaper so im hoping like 1600.. 1900 for everything... but guys... honestly... if i spent 2000 to get my trans.. tq and valve body to handle the power... maybe a BAT could be in stock.. i woudl DEF have to save up some money and it would take a few months to april may.. but im thinking.. itd be a pretty bad ass tiptronic 3071r.... mwahahahahahahahahahaha

[Condo]

so if i just get the eurocode GTRS eliminator package, i should be good?

Get the Eurocode complete solution with a test pipe. Your car might be a little louder but you can always add a resonator if it's too loud.

I never noticed any different smells while driving my car with a test pipe. No, you can't run the Revo BT software with the APR 1+ setup. Just get everything done at one time and you'll be set. There is no reason to switch to Revo until you go with the GTRS.

[RLB6]

He wants to make sure that his setup doesn't run into any problems. He wants his turbo to last a long time and he's also not sure if he wants to upgrade his TC.

25 psi is a bit much. He could make more power by lowering the boost and adding timing. And maybe I remembered wrong, but I thought you mentioned once that your transmission was slipping a little bit.

That doesn't answer my question as to why you think having a TIP he should run lower boost than someone with a manual. Do you honestly think a TIP running 22 PSI is going to hurt it anymore than it does a manual tranny??

Yes, 25 PSI is a bit much which is why I don't run like that anymore but I had to figure that out on my own, but it can be done.

Yes, my TC, not my tranny as slipping because it's designed to when a certain torque level is reached. I have since had that issue as I don't have the stock TC any longer.

[romell]

hmm if u dont have the stock toque conv anymore.. GO BAT!!!! u can easily handle a 3076 with a built motor

[Condo]

That doesn't answer my question as to why you think having a TIP he should run lower boost than someone with a manual. Do you honestly think a TIP running 22 PSI is going to hurt it anymore than it does a manual tranny??

Yes, 25 PSI is a bit much which is why I don't run like that anymore but I had to figure that out on my own, but it can be done.

Yes, my TC, not my tranny as slipping because it's designed to when a certain torque level is reached. I have since had that issue as I don't have the stock TC any longer.

I'm not an expert on with TIP transmissions but it seems that it would be similar to running an upgraded clutch on a BT setup. Wouldn't it be better to keep his power numbers down until he upgrades the TC?