eliminator kit or full kit???

[fernando]

planning on going bigger turbo on my 01 A4, i am thinking of going with the GT2871r, now debating if i should just go with the eliminator kit, or if i should just go with a full kit????

would appreciate any comment and feedback please

thank you

[gotaudi]

if I had to do it all over again I would go for the full kit... and get a T3 manifold.... that is the best advise I can give you

[lawnferie]

might as well (go full). This way you won't be saying "What if...."

[djwimbo]

Full kit spools faster. At least that's what I hear. So please don't quote me on that one.

[fikes]

not to make fun of you in anyway but I am never understanding why someone asking a single question to a question that had been answered many times is going to give you a definitive answer since this would be your post and topic so everything said is going to be directly related to you. How many people come in here and ask what size turbo, eliminator or full, should I buy k04, etc... search "eliminator" and read through all worthy post then come back if you have a specific question regarding to what you just read not just what should I get this or that. its all going to depend and depend on what you may ask. search.

ps. eliminator tends to have more torque.

[Poopie]

full kit is much much more efficient. the only time i would tell someone to get an elim is if they wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. you get to retain stock oil lines, pretty much the coolant lines, down pipe, exhaust manifold. it requires all the supporting mods however.

[Sigma 3]

full kit is much much more efficient. the only time i would tell someone to get an elim is if they wanted to keep the car as stock as possible. you get to retain stock oil lines, pretty much the coolant lines, down pipe, exhaust manifold. it requires all the supporting mods however.

poopie when you say efficient do you mean more power yielded per pound of boost?
(given the same supporting mods)
TIA

[Poopie]

i mean efficient as in not running out of breath higher in the rpms. the turbine housing on the elims are very small and do not flow as much as a t25 standard housing. A t3 based gt2871r would be badass.

[20vpower]

i would go elim if you have to deal with strict emissions, if not then why not go full. I do have to admit that installing an elim was = to installing k03/4.

[mike-2ptzero]

I have driven B6's running all of them and there was NO difference between them at all.

[biketsai]

If you are low on money, and for less hassle, go with the Elim. I dont see anything wrong with it and the 71R elim can make some powa!

[Seerlah]

Integrated Engineering rods/bearings and choose what you feel would be best. I personally would go full race and do rods so I can hit full boost with no worries.

[Don Supreme]

Full.

[onemoremile]

Full. Improving a turbo engine involves removing bottlenecks. The eliminator housing is a bottleneck.

[mike-2ptzero]

Full. Improving a turbo engine involves removing bottlenecks. The eliminator housing is a bottleneck.

Yes, but show me one ATP log manifold full GT2871r on a B5 that is making more power then the same sized Elim kit? Fastest GT28 1/4 mile time on a B5 was done on a Elim kit. The same goes for the fastest GT28 1/4 mile time on the B6's. There isn't much difference in flow when both are running around 20-25psi.


A difference might be seen when running the full GT2871r on a tube manifold vs a log and when pushing more then 25psi since the elims really cant be pushed at that high of a boost level.

[savetheclutch]

what is the price on the eliminator kit?

[onemoremile]

I'm not doubting your experience but it does seem odd. On paper the full turbos should walk all over the Elims especially if they are on a stock exhaust manifold.

ATP has some dynos but without knowing what boost levels they ran they aren't directly comparable. If we pretend they are both optimized and well tuned (lol) then we can pull a bit of comparison data. The elim-rs hits 200wtq about 400 rpm later than the full 28rs. The elim-rs is over 200wtq from 3400-6500 compared to 3000-6700 for the full 28rs. That is a difference of 600 rpm. The reason I use 200wtq is because that is the ballpark a regular K04 plays in. We can easily see the peak power numbers are quite different. I used the red line on the lower graph for the elim-rs.

[Seerlah]

what is the price on the eliminator kit?

There is a group buy going on for everything needed (minus clutch, exhaust, and motor mounts if you so choose). Clicky Click. I hardly doubt you will find a better price for everything needed included in the package.

[mike-2ptzero]

I'm not doubting your experience but it does seem odd. On paper the full turbos should walk all over the Elims especially if they are on a stock exhaust manifold.

ATP has some dynos but without knowing what boost levels they ran they aren't directly comparable.

Well most people that run the elim kits do so with a high flow manifold. Without any info that GT28RS dyno plot is pretty useless.

Plenty of the B6 guys running elims have made well over 300whp on race gas with full exhaust systems and even on Mustang dyno's, on avg the elim kits on pump gas tend to make 260-270 whp.

I would never use ATP dyno plots to compare with other non ATP dyno plots seeing that the dynojet at ATP reads pretty high and is setup that way to help sell products.

[onemoremile]

I said they aren't directly comparable, didn't I?

[mike-2ptzero]

I said they aren't directly comparable, didn't I?

Yes, but I said it too so people dont just see 2 dyno's and think they are being compared to each other since that is what the OP is asking about.


That graph of the elim with a stock smic and stock exhaust is pretty much useless since both of those parts are going to be a huge restriction on a elim size turbo.

[Sigma 3]

so is there any one on the forums with dyno sheets running these kits with a highflow mani???

Onemoremile: a dyno stick would be great because there are so may options that it would be nice to get a general idea of power delivery. maybe require that people post there mods as well to get an acurate comparision???


I found this on the 034 site

[mike-2ptzero]

230whp is very low for a GT28rs seeing that a T28/GT28r can make that much power on 91 octane, I know because I made 225whp on just 20psi with a PES T28 kit.

[audiornothin]

Go full

[onemoremile]

Yes, but I said it too so people dont just see 2 dyno's and think they are being compared to each other since that is what the OP is asking about.


That graph of the elim with a stock smic and stock exhaust is pretty much useless since both of those parts are going to be a huge restriction on a elim size turbo.

Right on brotha.

Intercooler yes, exhaust no. The red line has a VES exhaust cutout which means the exhaust isn't a problem. Test pipe too. The green line is all stock which is why it sucks so badly.

[onemoremile]

Onemoremile: a dyno stick would be great because there are so may options that it would be nice to get a general idea of power delivery. maybe require that people post there mods as well to get an acurate comparision???

Sounds good to me. I've always loved the "Proven Power Bragging" section of the Nasioc forum. The problem with a single thread is that it gets massive and hard to find the info in. A subforum would be better but I don't know if we can fill it. We can start with a thread and see where that takes us.

That dyno plot is pathetic. It doesn't look like it will move many kits. I'm amazed that the vendors don't have great plots detailing the mods that they sell and what they actually do.

[onemoremile]

Here is the only good Elim plot I've seen. This is from Greg's 2871r-elim. I don't know much about his setup but I'm sure Mike can fill in the details.

[F16HTON]

I have a B6 so this info may be useless to you but here is my take anyways.

For some crazy reason, all of the newbies on here seem to favor the full kit, after 16 months of owning it before switching to the eliminator setup, I can testify to the fact that it is a piece of shit.

Manifold to turbo bolts break daily, the turbo is always shrieking and squealing, open dumps suck balls and no exhaust lines up to the downpipe worth a shit.

I guess it may be cool to have a big giant looking turbo hanging off of the side of the motor, but to me it is much more impressive to open the hood and not even be able to tell that your car has been modified, maybe this is my personal preference and I am getting old.

My dyno plot is your basic run of the mill GTRS/71R Eliminator setup, 71R Eliminator, ATP Mani, Neuspeed TIP, test pipe, 440cc injectors, REVO software, EBC.

It has been solid for me and I have always been happy with it. I throw zero codes, no MIL, the ESP and cruise control work perfectly, I can run it with or without the MAF and the results are the same.

I know many of you may think I am full of shit, but Jordan (CO AVANT) can independently testity to how my car runs. I am 100% confident there are setups that have the potential to make more power, but IMO you have to spin way to much time fucking with them on a regualar basis.

Everyone who does the install correctly should see similar numbers. David Umpleby (A4TSCHUSS) has dyno'd 320AWHP, Jordan dyno'd 315AWHP, Silence dyno'd above 300AWHP too I believe.

[Vreihenmotor6]

silly question, but can you swap out the exaust housing on the gtrs if you wanna go "full" later?

logic would say yes

[Don Supreme]

I have rode in two elim b6s and driven one.
I also HAD a 71r elim on my b5 - kinda weak.
I have rode in 2 full 2871r b5 setups and I will say again -- -- -- Go Full (T3)

[mike-2ptzero]

I have rode in two elim b6s and driven one.
I also HAD a 71r elim on my b5 - kinda weak.
I have rode in 2 full 2871r b5 setups and I will say again -- -- -- Go Full (T3)

Have any dyno's showing the full kits making more power on a 1.8T? Because it seems odd that all of the top 1/4 mile times for GT28 setups belong to Elims.

[Don Supreme]

No I don't...

The one I rode in (full t25 setup) this past weekend has never dynoed.

I think the elims have the record because @ their peak the ratio for cars running full 28 series to elims was probably 10:1......

[Sigma 3]

Yes, but show me one ATP log manifold full GT2871r on a B5 that is making more power then the same sized Elim kit? Fastest GT28 1/4 mile time on a B5 was done on a Elim kit. The same goes for the fastest GT28 1/4 mile time on the B6's. There isn't much difference in flow when both are running around 20-25psi.


A difference might be seen when running the full GT2871r on a tube manifold vs a log and when pushing more then 25psi since the elims really cant be pushed at that high of a boost level.

So the elim kit is only eficient up to 25psi on a log mani? If this is true then this so far is the biggest difference between the two. But we still need a way to test this theory unless you have graphs mike.

im going to get one or the other so pardon my newb ?s I just want to make an informed decision.

sorry for the thread jacj

[Don Supreme]

Look at the vote, the elim kit shouldn't even be a consideration.

[A4mative Action]

I think you should think about what you use the car for is it ur daily or your project car? Cause if it your daily i would do ELIMINATOR KITbut if it was my project car i would do the the GT28 FULL KIT. But thats up to you

[fernando]

I think you should think about what you use the car for is it ur daily or your project car? Cause if it your daily i would do ELIMINATOR KITbut if it was my project car i would do the the GT28 FULL KIT. But thats up to you

that is the question that i am asking my self and can't answer....this is my daily driver.....i do plan on taking it to the track onece in a while, but no hardcore racing....but i also need the power, and not sure if the eliminator will do it for me, and also getting the full kit, if the GT2871r is not enough will be much easier to upgrade just the turbo

[mike-2ptzero]

So the elim kit is only eficient up to 25psi on a log mani? If this is true then this so far is the biggest difference between the two. But we still need a way to test this theory unless you have graphs mike.

im going to get one or the other so pardon my newb ?s I just want to make an informed decision.

sorry for the thread jacj

The Full GT28rs/71 isn't exactly "efficient" at over 25psi either.


If you want to run more then 25psi buy a GT30.


Graphs of what? It isn't like the Elim's haven't put down power, just look at the numbers Greg posted that he and others have made with the elims.

B5 with GTRS elim which ran 12.4 at nearly 110 mph on Tapp tune.

[A4mative Action]

that is the question that i am asking my self and can't answer....this is my daily driver.....i do plan on taking it to the track onece in a while, but no hardcore racing....but i also need the power, and not sure if the eliminator will do it for me, and also getting the full kit, if the GT2871r is not enough will be much easier to upgrade just the turbo

How much power did u plan on making with your car?

[djwimbo]

Full turbo or go home...

It's not that you can't put down good numbers on the Elim. kits. If you couldn't, they wouldn't be selling them. I just about bought a GTRS kit awhile ago. I am grateful that I didn't every time I think about it.

The only reason I would go with an eliminator turbo setup is if I wanted to make it look relatively stock. It's difficult but it's possible to make it look close.

[AudiRacerS4]

How much power did u plan on making with your car?

x2 a full 2871r requires a lot of supporting mods which translates to more $$$ and . I dont think you will be disappointed by either. I chose to go with the elim since I drive my car everyday all year round and commute back and forth to school and its been very reliable *knocks on wood*