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    Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

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    Hey everyone, I'm new to these forums but am in need of advice. I got pulled over last week for tint and it ended up turning into the cop popping my hood and writing me a ticket to get inspected by a state referee.

    Due to the CA budget not being signed the ref's are temporarilly shut down. Best case will be if they send me to a normal smog station but in the case that I have to wait for the the ref's to open again, I need to know what to expect.

    I have a 2004 AUDI A4 1.8T Quattro. Here's a list of the main engine work my car has done. What do I need to worry about swapping out?

    Dahlback - Turbo & Software upgrade w/injectors 300HP kit
    Dahlback - Cold Air Intake
    Apikol - Side mount intercooler
    Samco - intake / turbo hoses
    Dahlback - High Flow Cat
    Milltek - Catback Exhaust
    AWE - Vent mount boost guage

    P.S. If I end up having to get the car ref'd I'm going to post another thread trying to get rid of this stuff. IF anyone out there has a B6 A4 that they want to sweet up, I'm willing to let them go for dirt cheap! (That is if you're willing to swap me for your OEM stuff too).

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    california sucks man

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Mike, a couple things. Why don't you take it to your local tuner shop and see what they have to say. Also, have you passed smog without having to remove anything previously? You may not have too many problems, but on the other hand...

    Good luck!
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by le91688 View Post
    california sucks man

    You're tellin' me man. Full of stupid cops.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalS4Avant View Post
    Mike, a couple things. Why don't you take it to your local tuner shop and see what they have to say. Also, have you passed smog without having to remove anything previously? You may not have too many problems, but on the other hand...

    Good luck!
    Thanks for the advice. I did take it to a shop and they had a little advice. If I have to ref'd they said to swap out the intake and exhaust and pull out the boost guage. The other concern with that is that due to the software upgrade it might run like crap and not pass smog if I only replace those parts.

    It passed smog when I bought it and it had most of the mods in it already. It might have been passed by a shady smog tech though.

    My plan is to smog it and take a passing smog cert. to the court and plead my case stating that the ref's are closed and I need my car for work. Hopefully the smog cert. will be enough to satisfy the judge.

    If not, it looks like I'm downgrading my car back to stock.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Which is why I plan on moving out of this state to somewhere with less rules on emmissions. Cali sucks in most everything when it comes to autos. Too many restrictions.
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Moose, before you know it, emissions will be the same in all states...just a fact of life in this day and age.

    Keep us updated Mike. Hopefully it all works out for you. Definitely get that smog done quick...you'll know a lot more after that.
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalS4Avant View Post
    Moose, before you know it, emissions will be the same in all states...just a fact of life in this day and age.

    Keep us updated Mike. Hopefully it all works out for you. Definitely get that smog done quick...you'll know a lot more after that.
    I'll definately keep you updated. I'm gonna try and take care of everything ASAP before the Ref's kick back in. If it works out, I'll definately post a thread with details on what to do in as many forums as possible.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    FYI Cali guys, there are laws on just what turbo's are allowed on your car and how much boost they can push. For example most are limited to 8-9PSI out of a certain approved kit. Even if it passes smog, they just hook it up to a boost gauge and bam you fail if it exceeds it at any point on the spike or hold. YOu can get a 2000 dollar ticket to that pigs ball for just putting a high flow yet still federally approved cat in. Best part is if you pass it, and nothing was wrong with your car you gotta pay a 35dollar fee to the inspector. Ohh, lowering the vehicle is illegal 2.
    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27151.htm Here's the laws on the exhaust,and they don't need a Db meter, just listening is sufficent enough.
    Here's a link to any law u can think of including approved turbo mods
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/ca...body=&hits=All
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Wow what a stupid state...
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Mike View Post
    Thanks for the advice. I did take it to a shop and they had a little advice. If I have to ref'd they said to swap out the intake and exhaust and pull out the boost guage. The other concern with that is that due to the software upgrade it might run like crap and not pass smog if I only replace those parts.

    It passed smog when I bought it and it had most of the mods in it already. It might have been passed by a shady smog tech though.

    My plan is to smog it and take a passing smog cert. to the court and plead my case stating that the ref's are closed and I need my car for work. Hopefully the smog cert. will be enough to satisfy the judge.

    If not, it looks like I'm downgrading my car back to stock.
    youve got to be kidding me? pull out a boost gauge? i can maybe understand the exhaust but the intake and boost gauge do nothing for emissions.
    you car will either pass smog or it wont. the obd1 days of a "shady smog tech" that will just pass you are over.
    the obd2 port tells the computer if your car is running in spec with the state requirements. with your mods i dont see why your car would fail. ive heard bad shit about dahlback software but still. its pretty straight forward; proper o2 sensor heating, good maf readings, and no noticable violations on visual inspection should = a pass.
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by bob12312357 View Post
    FYI Cali guys, there are laws on just what turbo's are allowed on your car and how much boost they can push. For example most are limited to 8-9PSI out of a certain approved kit. Even if it passes smog, they just hook it up to a boost gauge and bam you fail if it exceeds it at any point on the spike or hold. YOu can get a 2000 dollar ticket to that pigs ball for just putting a high flow yet still federally approved cat in. Best part is if you pass it, and nothing was wrong with your car you gotta pay a 35dollar fee to the inspector. Ohh, lowering the vehicle is illegal 2.
    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27151.htm Here's the laws on the exhaust,and they don't need a Db meter, just listening is sufficent enough.
    Here's a link to any law u can think of including approved turbo mods
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/ca...body=&hits=All
    P.S. If you got a friend or relative younger then 18 and light up a Cigg, you get a 100dollar fine in the name of safety.
    wow. just wow. but this still doesnt apply to the op. if op is running high boost just put a MBC on for your smog check/inspection.
    i hope nevada never becomes this ridiculous
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Mike View Post
    ...pull out the boost guage...
    What does that have to do with anything legislated? (Forgive my ignorance, I am Canadian)

    I understand ride height, aftermarket turbo, exhaust (emissions). However a boost gauge adds nothing except the ability to diagnose engine problems. If anything they should encourage it, since it will help find problems more quickly resulting in less gas used and less oil burned.

    I was in Cali for 1 week on vacation and was given a hard time for ride height (1BE's, which is sport stock) and Turbo (again, stock). I had never seen cops so anal retentive before.

    Do they have a street racing = crush car law there? (One of the few laws I've liked here so far. If you are caught street racing in excess of 50+ km over the limit, your car is crushed)
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagaer View Post
    What does that have to do with anything legislated? (Forgive my ignorance, I am Canadian)

    I understand ride height, aftermarket turbo, exhaust (emissions). However a boost gauge adds nothing except the ability to diagnose engine problems. If anything they should encourage it, since it will help find problems more quickly resulting in less gas used and less oil burned.

    I was in Cali for 1 week on vacation and was given a hard time for ride height (1BE's, which is sport stock) and Turbo (again, stock). I had never seen cops so anal retentive before.

    Do they have a street racing = crush car law there? (One of the few laws I've liked here so far. If you are caught street racing in excess of 50+ km over the limit, your car is crushed)
    The reason I was going to pull out the boost guage is because they could tell it is chipped by seeing how high the psi is. Also because it's a sign to someone that there's engine work done.

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    Update To This Thread

    I took my car into a cheap clueless smog tech today to see how it would do before taking any other steps.

    The car passed when they hooked it up but failed the visual inspection. Therefore it failed. I could probably go to a shady smog tech and shell out $200-$300 to get him to make it pass but it's not guaranteed that if I bring that into court, they'll let me off. And it's still possible the Ref's could be opened up at any point.

    Ultimately I'm going to have to downgrade the car back to stock. Look for a new thread soon on all my parts for sale or respond to this one if you know anyone that has a stock B6 A4 and wants an insane good deal.

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    Did you get a ticket by CHP or VCS? What part of VC are you in...
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    why did it fail visual inspection?

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweet Mike View Post
    You're tellin' me man. Full of stupid cops.
    I think you mean politicians.

    Unless the cop did something wrong, he's just doing his job which is typically dictated by the politicians the people of California vote for. So in all fairness, it's not really the politicians fault either.. but the voters. So blame the people of California. Don't beat yourselves up too badly, you guys got the right idea about medical marijuana at least.

    I know, I know... this isn't the time or place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calabria View Post
    Did you get a ticket by CHP or VCS? What part of VC are you in...
    I'm in Simi Valley. The "safest/lamest" city in the US. Haha. I got the ticket from a Simi Valley Police Officer.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by cbock View Post
    why did it fail visual inspection?
    It failed visual because even though the tech doesn't know anything about mods he knows what isn't factory and could clearly see the intake and turbo/intake hoses were replaced.

    It's mainly the intake that fails the visual right off the bat. It's the only obvious mod to the untrained eye.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by tdn View Post
    I think you mean politicians.

    Unless the cop did something wrong, he's just doing his job which is typically dictated by the politicians the people of California vote for. So in all fairness, it's not really the politicians fault either.. but the voters. So blame the people of California. Don't beat yourselves up too badly, you guys got the right idea about medical marijuana at least.

    I know, I know... this isn't the time or place.

    Way to change my view! We did the get medical marijuana thing right. Haha.

    Of course I don't actually hate all cops. We need em'. I just have a hatred for those cops that choose to be petty and rather than look for citizens who are breaking real laws, they go for the easy kill. I think it was pretty low of the cop to see my carbon hood and asume if he pulled me over he could get me for something and used window tinting to do so. That's all he could go off of because I was sitting at a stop light idling.

    It's more of a hatred for personality types rather than cops.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    CALI SUCKS, i live in toronto an dwe have gay emmisons here to but we can do w/e we want to the cars. I know in quebec they have no emmision laws! you can go straight pipes with no cats or anything and tis perfectly legal!
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    I live in the Praries (above ND/Minnesota)

    The safety here consists of 4 wheels, brakes, lights, good to go. No emissions, and the license is an inkjet piece of paper.

    Downside, I frequently end up catching up to cars that have no tail lights driving at night. It always freaks me out when I "find" a "ghost car"
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Hey Mike... Sent you a pm. Was it a motorcycle cop? This morning in simi I saw a civic with 2 bike cops with there helmets under the hood. Bad news!!

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by krew53 View Post
    Hey Mike... Sent you a pm. Was it a motorcycle cop? This morning in simi I saw a civic with 2 bike cops with there helmets under the hood. Bad news!!
    Yeah, it was a motorcycle cop. They seem to be the worst of the cop breed. I think it's because they're real only job is to write traffic tickets. And maybe because they have to ride that ugly bike and wear a stupid open face helmet.

    Check my next post though. I came up last night.

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    Update To This Thread

    I came up last night!

    I drove out to Santa Barbara to pick up an OEM exhaust system I found on Craigslist for $100. Pretty good deal!

    When I got there, the guy had the parts listed below as well and just GAVE EM TO ME! Are you serious?

    OEM Airbox w/hardware
    OEM diverter valve
    OEM Fuel Injectors
    OEM ECU chip

    I now have pretty much everything I need to pass this inspection. Here's my new plan:

    Replace the Exhaust, Cold Air Intake, and Diverter valve. I only need to buy the re-circ hose for the diverter valve and maybe a few other small parts. Take the car back into the Smog Tech and it'll pass.
    Then I'll go into court telling them I could not see a REF due to the fact that they're still shut down. Then show the judge that I got it smogged and it failed, I replaced the parts, and passed smog. I'm also gonna take before and after pictures. I'm pretty sure I can get off.
    Even if I end up having to see a REF, the only thing left in the car for them to trip on would be the chip and Big Turbo. They'll never know cuz they can't dyno my Quattro without and AWD dyno.

    I'm still thinking about getting an OEM turbo and selling everything I pulled out just because I'm in need of $$$.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Well is you HAVE to change the turbo might want to think about going with a K04 since its the same spec size as stock. Just a thought
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    dude, i went thru state ref on my car... dont de-mod.. see if you can pass with your current mods if not, then de-mod... but change out the obvious stuff if you have hoses and intakes and no cat..

    i only swapped my intake out and put my cat back in and i passed..

    i passed with neuspeed TIP, revo stage 1+ (didnt tweak the settings), 380cc injectors, neuspeed exhuast, boost gauge.. i made sure the engine looked "stock" before i took it.. i also went to a test only smog station to see if i passed first and i did..

    pm me if you want more info.. trust me its a bitch tho if you get an asshole state ref. search for my thread on it
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by le91688 View Post
    california sucks man
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Up here in truckee california cops dont give a shit about mods, better things to do i would imagine? I passed smog with a giac chip,lowered, full milltek exhaust, a water injection system in plain sight,etc. It will be interesting to see if i pass with my front mount next time i go.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    i just googled this whole thing with the state ref.

    Guess what, i'm in simi valley too and two biker cops got me for emissions.

    I had everything legit on my 04 wrx, but I have a factory upgrade SPT intake.

    I did not have the sticker so guess what, i'm not stuck in the same mess. I now have the sticker and plan on going to a smog station to just prove that I pass.

    Then off to the judge to get the case thrown out hopefully...any updates for you guys?

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Everything is sweeter in Tennessee... Including emissions (we do not have any)

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    My understanding of our restrictive smog rules, is that you can not install anything that will alter or bypass the smog equipment that has been installed in your car. You can install a CAI and Exhaust, as long as it has a CARB number, which means it has been approved by the state to be used without adversely affecting the car's ability to conform to California's strict emission standards. So call up the manufacturers of your mods and start asking for their CARB numbers, if available, if so available ask them for the hood plate so that you can install it on the hood so that the referee can see that the part has been accepted by California. My suggestion is, anything that you have installed save for the software update, APR claims to be smog friendly...get the CARB number, if not, remove it until the referee passes your car.

    Those of you being judgmental about this great state of ours, you need to understand the reason you have it much easier than we do. Thanks mostly to Southern California and their over abundance of cars. They actually have more cars than people, in the tens of millions. Compare that to your state's total population? They are strict to maintain our air quality and help slow or stop the progression of Global Climate Change. Which, I think most of us have now accepted as reality. With this said, we have strict laws that were passes by its citizens, and are being enforced by our excellent LEO's.

    This is a great state, the climate is moderate, SF for instance, outside of a couple of days (like 5 days) in the summer in which it hits 90's, maintains a 60 F temperature year-around, thanks mostly thanks to the marine layer which calms things down. California, has the 7th largest economy in the world! California has laws friendly to the civil rights of its citizens and our employment laws are amongst the best in the union. We still have a 8 hour work day for the non-exempts, while most of the country is at the Federal level of 40 hour work weeks. Meaning non-exempts make OT after 8 hours, without having to have worked 40 hours. We make the employee lunch breaks mandatory of at least 30 minutes in the middle of the workday. We have a State minimum wage $8.00 per hour, vs the Federal $6.55 an hour.

    Knock it all you want about how strict it is on what we can change on our cars, which is really not that bad as long as you have the CARB number...but I don't think California "sucks" as you guys like to say. I've been to many other states in the Union and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else!
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    ^^Amen
    But I'd still like to take my front plate off.
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by Undisputed View Post
    ^^Amen
    But I'd still like to take my front plate off.
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    LOL, Okay...you got me...but for most states this is illegal, it is just if it is getting enforced. Just like working without the proper immigration forms is illegal for most people not from here, but hey, I see tons of them in Home Depot...

    Another thing to add, most other states, you record a conversation, meeting, etc. without both parties knowing about the recording. Actually Federal statutes that it is legal if at least one party knows about the recording, duh...In California, both parties need to be aware that they are being recorded for the recording to be legal.
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Quote Originally Posted by 04QuattroTurbo View Post
    LOL, Okay...you got me...but for most states this is illegal, it is just if it is getting enforced. Just like working without the proper immigration forms is illegal for most people not from here, but hey, I see tons of them in Home Depot...
    Sure doesn't help when cities like San Francisco are proclaiming themselves a "safe zone" for those less than legit workers.

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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    any updates? im still waiting to hear from mine...im debating getting it smogged by a reg. smog station, then goin to get it dismissed by judge...


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    Wait till my court date on Sept 30th in hopes smog stations are not open by then and have it just dismissed then and there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiesto View Post
    Sure doesn't help when cities like San Francisco are proclaiming themselves a "safe zone" for those less than legit workers.

    Isn't New york a Sanctuary City as well? I know that the city I live in, Fairfield, is not, but we still have them hanging out on the Home Depot parking lot sitting on people's cars waiting for a "pick up".
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    There's a lot of these people waiting for a "pick up" in the Mission district of San Francisco. The mission district is highly populated by Latinos, it's a great place to roam around during the day, but don't even go close to it at night :]
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    Re: Got busted for mods / CA State Referee advice???

    Yup you have to revert back to stock. But I wouldnt change your turbo, you can get the same everything with the turbo your on as it wont affect the smog.

    Personally I recently smogged then went stage 3. I have a stock looking airbox (underneath is my cone filter and electronic boost controller solonoid), stock intake hoses, my FMIC is painted black and hidden, Look under the hood and the only thing that sticks out is the braided oil feed line. However the factory one was braided so there is my argument. My exhaust is pretty quiet as well.

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