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    Alright boys and girls, here's the situation. I've recently picked up an 05 A4 USP and I'm looking
    for the perfect coilovers lol, well not necessarily perfect but one that's smooth and comfortable.
    Now I've searched the forums and found a few threads but all I've been seeing are a bunch of
    biased answers and the other thing is that they're not from Toronto. So they wouldn't necessarily
    know what it would be like to drive around here, specially during winter.

    A friend of mine has a V-maxx setup, it rides pretty nice but I'm not quite sold on it. I've read up on
    the Stassis SS and it seems like a lot of people are loving them but their opinions seem biased.
    On the other hand they did say that they're (Stassis) a bitch to adjust.

    So long story short I want opinions from locals seeing as you guys drive around here and some of you
    have probably had different setups on your cars. Also recommend something that would be a good bang for the bucks.

    Thanks.

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    anyone??

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    Almost all coilovers are a PITA to adjust. Meaning to have all four sides equal in height. I have the KW V2 and they're known to be soft. Therefore, my settings are near max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed@audiyo View Post
    Almost all coilovers are a PITA to adjust. Meaning to have all four sides equal in height. I have the KW V2 and they're known to be soft. Therefore, my settings are near max.
    with the settings to your liking, how do you like the ride? No too bouncy or too stiff I guess?...

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    It's just right where I like it now.
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    i'm on stasis ss but i haven't gone through it with winter yet but it rides like oem. less roll with it
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    im on vogtlands and I love them

    they are easier to adjust then the other coils but still a pita

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    yeah, I've heard good things about the Vogtlands as well but wouldn't they be just about the same as the Stassis SS since they both use Koni dampers? Although it seems that more people are loving their Stassis. Which is kinda pushing me towards getting Stassis.

    If anyone thinks otherwise please let me know why.

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    Re: Local answers

    You want answers? Long post alert :)

    Not LOCAL-local, but I'll wager that my Winnipeg roads are worse than your T.O. roads :)

    Do you have a budget in mind?

    Q: WHY coilovers?

    I bought them because I was not happy with the ride height I was seeing with some paired shock/spring setups and I am a picky kinda guy. So, this route would allow me to customize it all for me. And if I didn't like it, it's a matter of a cpl hours work to change. You cannot adjust most (or is it any?) modestly priced coilovers after installation on our cars. They need to be half taken out to do this. Honda guys and some other cars are lucky enough to have the adjustment knob hanging out in the engine bay. SO.. soft for the road, tighten it with a cpl turns for autox, soften it up for the drive home, takes minutes. Bastards.

    HOWEVER. I drive my A4 in the summer ONLY. Which means, as far as any Canadian East of the Rockies is concerned - drive your car on co's in the winter and they'll lock to that setting... forever. Our salt and road junk will destroy the threading. I have heard of a very very few unique individuals that somehow cheat this, by using various greases and sleeves... but that's waaay too much work for me.

    If you are going to drive your new ride throughout the year, I would highly recommend a paired spring/shock. There are so many available, it IS hard to choose the right one. But I know enough ppl have done it. Just have to know what you want in terms of ride quality - firmness, roll, all that stuff. Go too stiff and your ass (and your tires and rims) will regret it, go too soft and well... you kinda defeated the point of the upgrade.

    If you find a way to deal with the winter, or if you are not driving through the winter, I would recommend STaSIS Streetsports for a daily driver comfort type of ride, with much better roll characteristics. I am going to tighten mine up a little from how they were supplied from STaSIS though. They ARE Koni's with progressive springs, but STaSIS adjusts them to allow a very easy install and go process - pre set to your car's specs. No experimenting, and of course, these guys do know a lot about our rides. They perform some kind of shock dyno step to understand the variables.

    If you are sure you want something more aggressive, I have been eyeing the STaSIS Tracksports quite heavily. I went SS's but have less than 4,000kms on them I am thinking of upgrading, MAYBE next yr to the Tracksports. More adjustability, but a fairly big jump in performance characteristics.

    I have also heard a lot of great things about Vogtlands and some KW kits. I think with those 3 and maybe even a few other kits, you cannot go wrong and will be very very happy with them. People have faves to justify their purchase, but really.. some of them are so similar, the point is moot.

    Hope that helps a little :) I know some other experienced drivers have a lot of km's on their setup, so just watch where they are from, we DO have pretty bad roads here, so you'll likely not want the uber-firmness ppl from BC or further South can appreciate.

    Bill.

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    ^^Our roads aren't so bad but we've got some pretty bad areas.

    I'm also trying to avoid having to go with the shock/spring setup only because I want to be able to adjust the height when the time comes and be able to just drop it down as soon as the snow starts to clear. I know that the coilovers are gonna take some wear doing this but that's the sacrifice of having to live here and wanting a nice ride right.

    so from what it seems so far, stassis has been number one on the list. also budget is on the 1200-1400 range but I'd prefer not to go higher than 1300, if I have to then I have to...

    thanks Bill for your very detailed feedback..haha

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    Had Stasis SS for a few months then moved on the KW. Drove through 2.5 winters with my KW V3s sitting between stock(KW factory) and max setting... they are still adjustable. I recently had them adjusted at IT. I mean Toronto roads aren't great but they are still drivable with CO. Quite honestly, it's hard to tell you what's good because everyone looks for something different. Maybe show up at a meet and see if people can give you a ride. I sure wouldn't mind. I know the V3's are a bit out of your budget, others in the KW line up will be equally good.
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    vogtland GTs or Stasis SS are enough for your budget. If you plan to do tracking motorsports or something equal would be recommended.
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    Had the Stassis SS on my B6 A4 Avant and ditched them after spending far too much time trying to raise the rears (known problem with the heavier ass Avants). They rode smoother than stock and did not offer much improvement in handling. I then swapped them out for Startup Racing GT's (Vogtlands) and immediately noticed an improvement in handling along with no sagging in the rear. They are firmer yet still compliant and not bouncy. I have since moved on to an S4 and installed the GT's into this car ... I've done a couple of reviews so just search if you're iinterested.

    I should mention that I'm a set and forget kinda guy so adjustment ease is not very important to me although the Vogts are definitely easier than most. That said, make sure to lube the threads on whatever you get as I'm certain any coil will seize if you throw enough sand and salt at them.

    Lastly, I'm in T.O. often and can honestly say that roads in T.O. are no different than ones in Ottawa or Montreal ... you don't have to look hard for anything from smaller undulations to ruts, bumps and pot holes !! If you want a smooth ride consider going with lightweight wheels as well - the reduction in unsprung weight goes a long way to allowing the suspension to do its thing ...
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    I had FK Konigsports on my B5, and they were alright... the thing is, they were such a PITA to adjust twice a year, that when I wanted to lower my B6, I was set on finding a spring shock combo. I scored some Neuspeed sport springs and Bilstein sport shocks, and I'm really really happy... I'm just going to ride it as is all winter. I'll be fine, and I'm 45 minutes east of Toronto where there will be far worse snow conditions.

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    Bunn: Yeah, I know what you mean. Everyone has their own preferences.
    A friend of mine has KWs but I'm not too sure if they were V1s or V2s, I'm sure they're V2s though. I find that his back sits a bit
    higher than the front and he's all the way down at this point, for the rear I mean. Drove his car a couple of times and it rides great, no complaints.
    I'd like to show up to a meet, where do you guys normally have them?

    Siggiepop:
    Nah I don't really plan on doing much tracking, although maybe once or twice a year. I'd love to go more often but my schedule is always backed up.

    Stevelev:
    Awesome, thanks for the advice and I'll definitely have to lube the threads. I'm sure all the salt build up is going make it a lot harder to adjust when the time comes.

    headshok: I'm actually trying to avoid having to go that route because I want to be able to ride a little higher when winter comes and again lower it as soon as the snow clears up.
    Whereabouts in the east end are you? I'm near Scarborough Town Centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JA4 View Post
    Bunn: Yeah, I know what you mean. Everyone has their own preferences.
    A friend of mine has KWs but I'm not too sure if they were V1s or V2s, I'm sure they're V2s though. I find that his back sits a bit
    higher than the front and he's all the way down at this point, for the rear I mean. Drove his car a couple of times and it rides great, no complaints.
    I'd like to show up to a meet, where do you guys normally have them?
    hmm i wonder if the V3s and V2s are that different cause..my rear is definitely tucked a bit...sitting 2 people in the back is pushing it before I really rub...

    in regards to meet...i believe they have a meet/cruise coming up.. but generally they do have some kind of friday meet at a starbucks on avenue road..i dont remember the exact location

    oh and since your near STC, I live quite close to you...i've driven in my current ride height all winter...it's uhhh something I wouldnt do again, but it's definitely drivable
    Cheers!
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    once you find whats right for you, you won'be changing it at all. Vogtlands GT would be a top choice as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siggiepop View Post
    once you find whats right for you, you won'be changing it at all. Vogtlands GT would be a top choice as well
    Startup Racing GT's = Vogtland GT's

    If interested, call Tomasz@Startup (he's "border friendly") and tell him I sent ya.

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    I guess it depends. I'm not -that- low... and I just have the Ultrasport body, so it's nothing crazy. Bunn, it looks like you've got a splitter or something... if I had a lower bumper, I'd probably worry. But I look at my car and I think I've got enough clearance. If I rip it off this winter, I'll eat my words. :)

    But seriously, the coils were such a PITA to adjust that I usually ran pretty low even after raising them...

    You can see here that I created a fair bit of wheel gap by raising... but the actual clearance at the front bumper is pretty low. I've got pretty much no wheel gap on the b6, but I think I've got more clearance. B6's are good that way. :)

    The old b5 pic, 'raised' for the winter:

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    ^^^awesome guys, thanks a lot.

    Steve: I'm not quite familiar with Startup Racing, I was wondering if you could tell me how I might be able to contact them. Thanks.

    Bunn:Whereabouts do you live in Scarborough? if you don't mind me asking..

    Quote Originally Posted by headshok2002 View Post

    The old b5 pic, 'raised' for the winter
    Your B5 was just about as low as I am right now with the stock sport suspensions on my B6..It's a good ride height but I'm not quite happy with it.. hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevelev View Post

    Cool thanks, should I say you refered me to him? Does he know you by name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JA4 View Post
    Cool thanks, should I say you refered me to him? Does he know you by name?
    Great idea - he definitely knows me so just tell him Steve from Ottawa sent you.
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    oops, wrong number ... try (425) 996-7302
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    awesome thanks steve.

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