k04 Upgrage?

[onceover]

So I'm thinking of going k04 and so far ive figured im going to need (from stock)

new injectors: http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/pro...tor-98-65.html
will those work? thats the best price i could find for bosch injectors, but theyre not the 386cc's.

new k04 turbo: http://www.gpopshop.com/kkkturbos.html

test pipe: http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=670

and i need a DV aswell, looking for peoples suggestions and will be getting a FMIC next summer as it isnt too hot here anymore so heatsoaking wont be an issue.

Also need programming, im stuck between APR, GIAC, and REVO... not sure who has the best k04 program.


Any help plus parts ill need would be great!

[boy412]

Most find the K04 isn't much of an upgrade and want more after a short period of time. Might want to cut to the chase and look at one of the Eliminator setups, like the GTRS. You can get a whole kit for pretty short money:

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/pro...x?prod_id=5717

Lots of good DV's out there. I have the Forge 007 and its fine. The Bailey one is also popular. Even the Bosch 710 (from the TT) is an upgrade.

If you do go with the K04 I would try and find the 386cc injectors (also from the 225hp TT). I think many of the "bigger injector" files require them.

I liked the Revo software, but the local Revo shop was a bunch of wankers. You'll find that everyone has a different opinion on software...so between the three you mentioned I don't think you'll be unhappy. The shop you choose should be the determining factor...they can make or break the whole project.

You could also do a dual side-mount intercooler setup. Its as effective as the FMIC and looks totally stealth.

[EBG 18T]

Before you buy injectors decide on your software. The APR runs best on the TT225 injectors (other may work, but the software was designed for the TT225's). GIAC & Revo are more flexable on injectors. GIAC & APR have specefic K04 software, REVO just tweeks the software at the shop for the K04. Both the GIAC & APR K04 programs are smooth and have been in circulation for a while now. Personally i think the APR software is smoother, but the GIAC feels like it makes more power.

If you don't want to see the c/e light you will need the cat delete software from APR or Revo. The GIAC will throw the c/e light with the testpipe.

As for a DV, the newer OEM TT DV's (IIRC the 'N', interation) are fine. I have been running one (the 'N') for a while. I like it better than my forge or hyperboost valve. It seems like on certain cars the diapham DV's are smoother than the piston DV's.

as for a intercooling. Do something soon. I know we are headed into winter, but this car can easily heat soak the plan old K03 w/ stage 1 software..

hope that helps.

[onceover]

so those bosch 380cc injectors are too small? theyre only 6cc's smaller and $300 cheaper.

i dont want to go up to a GTRS as this will be a daily driver and i want to have quick spool-ups

[burns420]

Id like to do it to, but it does cost more for the suporting mods.

[manhertm]

So I'm thinking of going k04 and so far ive figured im going to need (from stock)

new injectors: http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/pro...tor-98-65.html
will those work? thats the best price i could find for bosch injectors, but theyre not the 386cc's.

new k04 turbo: http://www.gpopshop.com/kkkturbos.html

test pipe: http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=670

and i need a DV aswell, looking for peoples suggestions and will be getting a FMIC next summer as it isnt too hot here anymore so heatsoaking wont be an issue.

Also need programming, im stuck between APR, GIAC, and REVO... not sure who has the best k04 program.


Any help plus parts ill need would be great!

Stay away from GPOPSHOP, apparently they have shitty customer service if something is wrong with your turbo. Check the feedback forum for a thread on them.

[EBG 18T]

so those bosch 380cc injectors are too small? theyre only 6cc's smaller and $300 cheaper.

i dont want to go up to a GTRS as this will be a daily driver and i want to have quick spool-ups

Like i said above, decide on your software first. Then buy the approriate parts. The software is the key to getting evrything running properly. there is alot more to injector that the # of cc's it flows. I understand you don't want to go to a GTRS setup, Nor did i.

[onceover]

Where would you recommend buying a k04 from?

Also, do APR GIAC or REVO give free software upgrades? for example, if i go get chipped to stage 1, and later buy a k04, will they update my software free of charge?

[golgo13]

Most find the K04 isn't much of an upgrade and want more after a short period of time. Might want to cut to the chase and look at one of the Eliminator setups, like the GTRS. You can get a whole kit for pretty short money:

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/pro...x?prod_id=5717

Lots of good DV's out there. I have the Forge 007 and its fine. The Bailey one is also popular. Even the Bosch 710 (from the TT) is an upgrade.

If you do go with the K04 I would try and find the 386cc injectors (also from the 225hp TT). I think many of the "bigger injector" files require them.

I liked the Revo software, but the local Revo shop was a bunch of wankers. You'll find that everyone has a different opinion on software...so between the three you mentioned I don't think you'll be unhappy. The shop you choose should be the determining factor...they can make or break the whole project.

You could also do a dual side-mount intercooler setup. Its as effective as the FMIC and looks totally stealth.

+1

[mattman]

Where would you recommend buying a k04 from?

Also, do APR GIAC or REVO give free software upgrades? for example, if i go get chipped to stage 1, and later buy a k04, will they update my software free of charge?

i know GIAC does for sure, not sure bout the others.

[audipotential]

So I'm thinking of going k04 and so far ive figured im going to need (from stock)

new injectors: http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/pro...tor-98-65.html
will those work? thats the best price i could find for bosch injectors, but theyre not the 386cc's.

new k04 turbo: http://www.gpopshop.com/kkkturbos.html

test pipe: http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=670

and i need a DV aswell, looking for peoples suggestions and will be getting a FMIC next summer as it isnt too hot here anymore so heatsoaking wont be an issue.

Also need programming, im stuck between APR, GIAC, and REVO... not sure who has the best k04 program.


Any help plus parts ill need would be great!

I second not going to gpopshop they look like a bunch of crooks by the post in the feedback section

[mattman]

If you were to buy a BT hardware kit (say from ATP), what tune would you be running? Do you have to get Revo's Select/select plus system to tune it yourself?

[akordboy]

Where would you recommend buying a k04 from?

Also, do APR GIAC or REVO give free software upgrades? for example, if i go get chipped to stage 1, and later buy a k04, will they update my software free of charge?

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[lookaught]

Where would you recommend buying a k04 from?

Also, do APR GIAC or REVO give free software upgrades? for example, if i go get chipped to stage 1, and later buy a k04, will they update my software free of charge?

I seem to recall that there is no upgrade path from Stage 1 or 1+ to K04 with GIAC, but I could be wrong. Best to check with each tuner to make sure before you buy anything.

[demea]

I seem to recall that there is no upgrade path from Stage 1 or 1+ to K04 with GIAC, but I could be wrong. Best to check with each tuner to make sure before you buy anything.

So it's the same file for a K03 1+ and K04?

[lookaught]

So it's the same file for a K03 1+ and K04?

I don't think so. I believe there is:

K03 non injector program
K03FX injector program
K04FX injector program


I *think* you can upgrade from the K03 non injector to the K03FX, but cannot go from either of those to the K04FX program.

Then again, Im not very knowledgable about the BT setups. Im just getting my info as well as Im preparing to buy something, but am not sure what.


I would love to buy a GTRS eliminator setup but am unsure of how that will run without supporting mods (ie exhaust, IC). I am curious if you can just buy the turbo, a tip, injectors (440cc??) and Revo software and then trim the timing etc to make it function well, then add the exhaust and IC later. rxrep said it can be done, and Im sure it can, but Im not sure I have the expertise to do it. It really isnt all that much more expensive than a K04 setup, so its appealing b/c the potential is there IF I can run it de-tuned for a year before I add an IC etc.

[widgget]

no, it's a diffrent flash, they will charge you $200 for it, plus some shops will also charge you the labor to do the flash.

I went APR 1+ with TT225 EFIs, then when i went K04 APR charged $200 to upgrade to the stage 2 (K04) file.

I never had intentions of going bigger then a K04 but ended up with a GTRS. I could have saved myself allot of money if i had just gone Revo from the beginning since i ended up overwriting more then $1000 in APR software with my new Revo file. not to mention APR has crap customer support and crap products. If i were you i would look at Revo even if you don't ever go over a K04, they seem to have a really good product.

[b6onboost]

Time for some clarifications:

GIAC does have a standard GIAC, FXK03 , and FXK04 files. You get free 'updated' files, as in if they improve the stage 1 file, you can get the new improved file update free. You still have to pay for 'upgrade' files when going stage 1 to 1+, or 1+ to K04.

What you really need:

KO4-015 turbo
GIAC or APR K04 file
Injectors TT225s (Genesis 380ccs work fine with GIAC)

Recommended:

-Upgraded Intercooler (without one you'll heatsoak bad and lose power)
-Exhaust (faster spool, more power. although a friend of mine got annoyed by his and put the stock exhaust back on...said he barely noticed a performance decrease)
-Test Pipe or HFC (faster spool, more power)
-TIP (stock pipe is restrictive and prone to collaspe)
-Clutch (if you launch or abuse your clutch, the stock one will fail pretty fast, if you take it easy...over time it may begin to slip when you hit full boost)

[johnouellette]

I second not going to gpopshop they look like a bunch of crooks by the post in the feedback section

I had a horrible time with them and would never recommend them to anyone.

[onceover]

thanks for the help guys!

For the REVO cat delete file, will it completely remove the CEL for all codes or just the cat code?

[diztek]

giac charges the extra $200 to go from fx03 to fx04, because the fx04 comes with the race (100oct) file.

[cpu77]

Does APR have a CAT delete file?

[maclem8223]

Does APR have a CAT delete file?

Yes they do...

[onceover]

I was talking to my REVO dealer today, and they said that test pipes make gas milage go down horribly.

Is he right?

[EBG 18T]

I was talking to my REVO dealer today, and they said that test pipes make gas milage go down horribly.

Is he right?

sounds like your revo dealer is an idiot

[onceover]

so its not going to effect my fuel mileage? i didnt think so...

[SeKKeY]

most important factor is the way you drive ..the TP does not decrease MPG drastically

[manguyen]

there are some used TT225 386cc injectors in the classifieds... if you want a new set contact me.

[clcsocal]

sounds like your revo dealer is an idiot

I saw better mileage after installing my TP. Less restriction = better mileage.

[boy412]

sounds like your revo dealer is an idiot

...and probably a good reason to either find another Revo dealer, or go with the GIAC software. The shop you choose is SOOOO important! They are your first line of defense when there is a problem.

[onceover]

no other revo dealers around here... i might drop the the shop that sells giac and see what theyre like

[EBG 18T]

check out both the APR & GIAC dealer and see which one you like better. both are very good products.

[Nikon44]

I have the whole front end of my car apart right now because I blew my water pump. So I am in there replacing the timing belt and all supporting areas. I am thinking since i have it apart to just do the upgraded turbo now. The only software dealer i have up here is APR so thats what I would perfer to use. If i am just looking to get the KO4 (turbo only) where should I look? Only place I have found it for sale by itself is APR. Is the apr turbo the same as others?

Thanks
Sean

[onceover]

yeah, the apr turbo is the same, just expensive.

good luck finding a k04 right now. I cant find anywhere thats not sold out!

[PRY4SNO]

So I'm thinking of going k04 and so far ive figured im going to need (from stock)

new injectors: http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/pro...tor-98-65.html
will those work? thats the best price i could find for bosch injectors, but theyre not the 386cc's.

new k04 turbo: http://www.gpopshop.com/kkkturbos.html

test pipe: http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=670

and i need a DV aswell, looking for peoples suggestions and will be getting a FMIC next summer as it isnt too hot here anymore so heatsoaking wont be an issue.

Also need programming, im stuck between APR, GIAC, and REVO... not sure who has the best k04 program.


Any help plus parts ill need would be great!

Unitronic has a very strong program as well. George at TuneDub is very highly regarded by the local forum at Eurodrivers.ca and myself. I actually bypassed George -- a GIAC vendor at the time -- to get my Unitronic programming in Red Deer thru Chris (of Das Auto Haus), who then set George up as a distributor a few months later. I recommend George for installs/maintainence if you're not inclined to do so yourself.

When you're cranking harder on the small turbos is when you most need reduction of IATs via a front or side-mount intercooler.

Not to mention we've had a hot summer this year, more humid at times too.

Akipol and Evolution Racerwerks seem to be the more highly regarded brands.

Some people have had mixed results with the Gpopshop hybrids but others are very happy.

Just my $0.02.

[onceover]

thanks for the tip.

Ill look into unitronics.

now all i need is to find a k04!

[Papachristou]

you will need a FMIC,upgraded SMIC wont cut it....even their logs show only a 30 degree reduction in IATs whereas a good FMIC can be close to 100 degree drop

[lookaught]

you will need a FMIC,upgraded SMIC wont cut it....even their logs show only a 30 degree reduction in IATs whereas a good FMIC can be close to 100 degree drop

100 degrees dayum!