Car burns a TON of oil, but doesn't consume it?

[Yaktizzle417]

My shop told me after I got my new turbo in, it'd smoke for a while due to all the oil in my IC piping and stuff.

Its been like 4k miles and it still smokes EVERY time I leave from a stop. Like a plume of smoke, and then it stops after I'm outta the clutch. Someone said piston rings at worst, but likely valve seals... but that would make my car smoke all the time, and would consume a TON of oil right?

I'm using Royal Purple 5w30, with a moroso oil filter. No cat, and freshly rebuilt K03/4 hybrid.

Any suggestion would be amazing!

[andyrew]

What color is the smoke?

White? Blue? Black?

[blmlozz]

rings would smoke all the time, or when you really get on it. valve seals are the most likely cause if it only smokes after you've been sitting.

blue smoke is valve seals, black usualy indicates rings, white indicates coolant burning up.

[AudiTechS4]

can you explain why oil past valve seals would be blue and oil past the rings would be black oil is oil ,black would be fuel injectors leaking ,stuck open or running pig rich

[audiluxary]

Nothing against those K03's that are rebuilt with a larger turbine to be compatible of a K04 from a certain shop but you and another member on this forum have turbos from the same shop and have been dealing with smoking issues.

[andyrew]

can you explain why oil past valve seals would be blue and oil past the rings would be black oil is oil ,black would be fuel injectors leaking ,stuck open or running pig rich

Ya white is water, black is fuel (such as way too much fuel not being burned), blue is oil...

Since he says he doesnt go through oil, my thoughts is that it fuel or water smoke..

[Yaktizzle417]

No, its definitely oil. A plume of blue smoke after sitting, so yeah I guess it is seals.

Fucking christ, it never ends does it?


How long can I drive on bad seals? I'm trying to pick up a severely beater Honda for a little side gig and to drive while the A4 is out. How much would I be looking at for labor? If I ever planned on building a 3076 powered 2.0, would now be the ideal time to do it?

I'm a total nub when it comes to actual motor work.

[pipe7284]

If you have the cash to do it now, why not. The head as to come out for the seals to be changed, laber for just pulling the head is not cheap. Take it to a local performance shop with a reutable name, and just go all out and rebuild the engine for the gt30r. or if you wanna saave the labor why dont you just DIY? i did it.

[Yaktizzle417]

I have a hand in a cast, my parents would never let me, and I don't trust myself at ALL with that much money and work at stake. DIY on anything like this is not an option, and I want my car to be worked on by someone that knows exactly 100000% what the hell they're doing.

That said, you're more than welcome to do it, I'll provide beer and pizza =]]


How much do you have in on your build, and how much would say... an amazing GT28RS build run? I read the diys, but neither have a store link or what is suggested for what and stuff. Plus, I honestly don't understand what Im reading either.

[pipe7284]

If you want to go with a gt28rs you dont have to change you rods or do anything to the bottom at all. You can just have those seal reaplaced and thats it.
for a gt28rs you need:

gt28rs turbo
high flow manifold (for better turbo preformance)
high flow cat or a straight pipe
larger injectors ( 440cc)
Tuning (unitronic, ctapp, GIAC, etc)
FMIC
thats all i can think of.

My girl drives a GTRS powered A4, i love it. I love to drive her car. (until i get mine running again)

[MattzWarsteiner]

Compression test would help rule out the rings.

Valve seals have meaning for oil consumption, O2 sensor and spark plug life, but their failure wont seriously damage the engine and the leakage will just leave deposits on the valves and upper cylinder area over time. Both issues would be addressed when the head is pulled later on.

[Yaktizzle417]

Compression test would help rule out the rings.

Valve seals have meaning for oil consumption, O2 sensor and spark plug life, but their failure wont seriously damage the engine and the leakage will just leave deposits on the valves and upper cylinder area over time. Both issues would be addressed when the head is pulled later on.

I haven't gotten any misfires or any check codes yet, so I'm guessing I'm fine right now?

How many thousand miles till it becomes a problem?

[Yaktizzle417]

Could it be my turbo?

It didn't smoke with the old one...

[LEGO]

Where did you get the turbo? Is it the hybrid from gpopshop.com? Cause mine is from there too and mine is smoking as well. When does yours smoke? Mine only smokes after I drive it, the car warms up, then if I stop somewhere and idle, white smoke comes out of my exhaust. Once I start moving, it disappears. This didn't happen with my old ko4 either. I thought that it's still burning everything out, but it's been almost 2 weeks. I'm wondering the same thing. Maybe a bad turbo. Does your coolant level drop at all?

[andyrew]

Have you checked for leaks on your turbo connections LEGO? Thats sounds like your problem..

[Yaktizzle417]

Where did you get the turbo? Is it the hybrid from gpopshop.com? Cause mine is from there too and mine is smoking as well. When does yours smoke? Mine only smokes after I drive it, the car warms up, then if I stop somewhere and idle, white smoke comes out of my exhaust. Once I start moving, it disappears. This didn't happen with my old ko4 either. I thought that it's still burning everything out, but it's been almost 2 weeks. I'm wondering the same thing. Maybe a bad turbo. Does your coolant level drop at all?

Thats exactly what mine does! And no, mine was rebuilt/etc by Turbo Supply in Joplin, MO.

Same parts I assume though... I think I'm gonna clean up my old turbo and try that.

[Naudilos]

Just recently I have been experiencing the exact same issue with smoke comming out of my exhaust. I hope it's not something too serious, and I could get it fixed right away. The weird thing is that performance has not been affected at all, and it only happens while at idel for more than 30sec. or so.

[AudiRacerS4]

it may be the oil seals in the turbo

[pac1085]

It could be the turbo; it takes such a little amount of oil to make a ton of smoke when it burns in the exhaust housing.

[onemoremile]

I just found a similar problem on my car. I had been worried about worn valve guides or even a head gasket and when it wouldn't make more than 5-10 psi I also suspected the turbo. Turns out the short rubber hose leading to the pcv puck valve had a couple little tears in it and the valve had oil dripping out of it. That explains why sometimes the car starts and then stumbles for a second while spitting some white smoke.

[LEGO]

Onemoremile, did you have smoke coming out of your exhaust or the engine when you before you found the tear? Cause my car seems to do it only after I drive it for a while and then I idle it. Once I start moving, no smoke.

Andyrew, I will check for leaks on my connections, but as far as I know, there are none. I looked around the connections and didn't find any dry coolant or oil.

AudiRacer, I would suspect the turbo as well, but the turbo is 2 weeks old.

Yaktizzle, maybe it's because my turbo and yours are hybrids. Mine is a ko4 with a 1mm larger compressor wheel than the ko4, but the stock turbine wheel from the ko3. Maybe that's what's causing our problem.

I also suspected the head gasket, but wouldn't my compression be messed up? When I checked my compression, it was all in the 180s. With my ko4 before it blew, there was no smoke at all. I would think that 2 weeks is plenty of time to have all of the oil that got into the engine from the turbo blowing to burn out.

Any other opinions? I was even thinking of trying to track down a ko4 to swap in just to see if the smoke would go away. If it does, then it's obviously the turbo. That would tell me that hybrids obviously don't work too well.

When I changed my spark plugs a week ago, I did see oil in the cylinders, but that's from when my turbo blew and oil got everywhere. I had about a quart in my intercooler alone and some in the intake mani. I'll check again to make sure there isn't any left there. If it was the oil that was burning from the engine, wouldn't the car smoke all of the time?

[LEGO]

Yaktizzle, if you have your old turbo laying around and it works, try putting that in to see if it still smokes. I want to do the same thing but my ko4 is completely blown. I may buy one just to see though. There was one for sale local to me on craigslist for cheap. Hopefully he still has it.

[LEGO]

Just for an update. I just got back from walmart and put some "stop smoke and stop leak" in my oil. We'll see if that does anything to the smoke

[Yaktizzle417]

Just recently I have been experiencing the exact same issue with smoke comming out of my exhaust. I hope it's not something too serious, and I could get it fixed right away. The weird thing is that performance has not been affected at all, and it only happens while at idel for more than 30sec. or so.

Same here. My exact symptoms.

[onemoremile]

Onemoremile, did you have smoke coming out of your exhaust or the engine when you before you found the tear? Cause my car seems to do it only after I drive it for a while and then I idle it. Once I start moving, no smoke.

Pretty much the same as you. Sometimes it would stumble with white exhaust smoke for a second on startup. The oil was drawn in before the turbo so if it sat for a while and was started it would pull that oil through and burn it.

[LEGO]

I'll check for tears just in case. Thanks. So far, I believe it just points to a bad turbo. I wish I had another ko4 to swap in to test it out.

[LEGO]

Yaktizzle, let me know what you find out when you swap the old turbo in.

[LEGO]

I have a k03-029 laying around. Do you guys think I can swap that in and run my pc-16 setup on it for a bit to see if the turbo smokes or is that just unsafe?

[Squarrl]

If you guys have a perpetual oil making machine ill buy them