Another Development for Audi/VW

[AudiA4_20T]

http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3949323

and a video for reference of what it does

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuQLD949Fj8

I think I should be ordering one of these in the comming days... Itll be really nice to do no-lift shifting and have a nice launch control system, and you cant beat it for under $200

[A4natomical]

pretty sweet.

[Exanimas]

Thing looks great, too bad I wimped out an bought a tiptronic. Oh well.

[gq9]

Very interesting.

[Das General]

Old news Clinton.

I already PM'd these guys about it. They were looking for test subjects but insisted I give them a deposit. Kind of put me off... I also don't think their 2-step rev will be the RPMs that I need to successfully launch my car.

[1BadA4]

i just find it kind of funny that they are seling a "box" to do this, i used to tune the program onto evo's and sti's right onto the stock ecu on a different map, but i guess this one is "universal"?

[AudiA4_20T]

i just find it kind of funny that they are seling a "box" to do this, i used to tune the program onto evo's and sti's right onto the stock ecu on a different map, but i guess this one is "universal"?

Right, a nice standalone unit will have this feature built in, but a $200 substitute isnt bad at all

[Don Supreme]

I would get this in a heart beat if I wasn't thinking about going stand alone... Lauching @ 6300 RPM can get tricky.

P.S. Looks like it builds a tiny bit of boost while staging...

[AudiA4_20T]

Old news Clinton.

I already PM'd these guys about it. They were looking for test subjects but insisted I give them a deposit. Kind of put me off... I also don't think their 2-step rev will be the RPMs that I need to successfully launch my car.

you dont think you can set the rpms to launch at? having boost off the line is real nice

[CapstoneJHS]

That's neat, but the idea definitely isn't new.

We wire our own "engine kill" for our Formula SAE car here at Alabama. No clutching necessary for shifting. Upshift hits a prox switch that kills the fuel/fire for 0.09s, just long enough to unload the clutches for us to shift.

[AudiA4_20T]

That's neat, but the idea definitely isn't new.

We wire our own "engine kill" for our Formula SAE car here at Alabama. No clutching necessary for shifting. Upshift hits a prox switch that kills the fuel/fire for 0.09s, just long enough to unload the clutches for us to shift.

lol well thats for your formula SAE car, im not saying its new, but its new for us

[CapstoneJHS]

lol well thats for your formula SAE car, im not saying its new, but its new for us

haha, they're not related much at all...just the principles involved. Using electronics to assist in manual shifting.

[mike-2ptzero]

you dont think you can set the rpms to launch at? having boost off the line is real nice

It isn't going to build boost like a real anti-lag type of launch control since their little box just cuts the spark, so basically the car just misfires while your using it. Anti-lag retards timing causing the fuel to burn on its way out which causes the turbo to spool up since there is plenty of exhaust. I dont see how you would think raw fuel and 50-75% of the exhaust gas is going to give you full boost to launch.


One of the other stand alones on the market has launch control that cuts fuel and spark, but the A4's running it dont really get all that good of 60 ft times.

[AudiA4_20T]

It isn't going to build boost like a real anti-lag type of launch control since their little box just cuts the spark, so basically the car just misfires while your using it. Anti-lag retards timing causing the fuel to burn on its way out which causes the turbo to spool up since there is plenty of exhaust. I dont see how you would think raw fuel and 50-75% of the exhaust gas is going to give you full boost to launch.


One of the other stand alones on the market has launch control that cuts fuel and spark, but the A4's running it dont really get all that good of 60 ft times.

in the video the guy has 5psi off the line, its not full boost but its not nothing... Anyway Mike besides the 2 step it also has flatshifting which should definitely help times at the track

[Don Supreme]

It isn't going to build boost like a real anti-lag type of launch control since their little box just cuts the spark, so basically the car just misfires while your using it. Anti-lag retards timing causing the fuel to burn on its way out which causes the turbo to spool up since there is plenty of exhaust. I dont see how you would think raw fuel and 50-75% of the exhaust gas is going to give you full boost to launch.


One of the other stand alones on the market has launch control that cuts fuel and spark, but the A4's running it dont really get all that good of 60 ft times.

I didn't see anyone use the words "Full boost", just boost which equals .00000001 psi > xxxx

and as you can see in the video it looks like that car made ~ 5 psi while staging.

[mtbrider]

nice...there seems to be alot of interesting software becoming available

[mike-2ptzero]

I didn't see anyone use the words "Full boost", just boost which equals .00000001 psi > xxxx

and as you can see in the video it looks like that car made ~ 5 psi while staging.

Wasn't even close to 5psi, it was 1psi seeing that the very first # on his gauge is a single digit which is 5 and his needle just barely got past 0. That is not going to get an A4 out of the hole as quick as you think. You can make more boost then that just by bouncing the rpms and going WOT before releasing the clutch. I guess the box will help those that cant learn how to launch the normal way, but it isn't going to improve their 60 ft.'


BTW a person from that company posted that it will make full boost on another thread on this site, but as we can see in the video it does not come even close to making much boost at all.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

can i build up a tiptronic to withstand neutral drops?? haha!

[audikid66]

looks sweet

[AudiA4_20T]

Wasn't even close to 5psi, it was 1psi seeing that the very first # on his gauge is a single digit which is 5 and his needle just barely got past 0. That is not going to get an A4 out of the hole as quick as you think. You can make more boost then that just by bouncing the rpms and going WOT before releasing the clutch. I guess the box will help those that cant learn how to launch the normal way, but it isn't going to improve their 60 ft.'


BTW a person from that company posted that it will make full boost on another thread on this site, but as we can see in the video it does not come even close to making much boost at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYDaqKgfBMU

[dirtybrd]

I have plenty of boost when I launch, It boils the tires thru the 60ft mark. Just launch like Mike says, F' the launch control.

[dirtybrd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYDaqKgfBMU

What the hell are you going to do with 3psi?

[AudiA4_20T]

What the hell are you going to do with 3psi?

there was 1 video with 6psi, but reguardless its not nothing... and the flatshifting is nice

[dirtybrd]

The shifting feature is nice, but the launch cont. isn't needed.

[mike-2ptzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYDaqKgfBMU

LOL, 2psi thats a big gain.


Like I said, if you do buy it just do some testing and see if your 60 ft times get any better using it vs doing a normal WOT launch.

BTW I sure hope you dont think its going to help you get out of the hole with a huge turbo that you plan on going with, because you are just fooling yourself if you think it will. The only thing you are going to gain is flat shifting and thats only if you can set it to a high rpm setting that wont cause the engine to bog down and still allow you to shift since our cars dont flat shift when running it to 8000+ rpms. I have even tried flat shifting with mine set at 5k rpms and it would lock me out from going into 3rd gear most off the time. This is why I stop even trying to do flat shift with my launch control/anti-lag on my stand alone and just doing normal shifts to run 10's.

there was 1 video with 6psi, but reguardless its not nothing... and the flatshifting is nice

It wont be "nothing" because the throttle plate is fully open, so it isn't like the gauge would ever read vacuum at that point. The turbo still isn't spooling enough to make a difference at that point.


I used to have a video of my gauges doing a anti-lag launch and my gauge hitting over 30psi.

[dirtybrd]

I get locked out of 3rd all the time. It goes into a mystery slot between 1st and 3rd. All you need is a 2.0, cams, and the right sized turbo.

[Don Supreme]

Ha - 2 step for the win...

It may not improve the 60 foot, but it WILL improve consistency....... one 1.7 60' and five 1.9s or 2.0s make for a lot of abuse and waste of time when you make simple mistakes trying to launch.

The last time I went to track I didn't complete most of my runs (coasted to finish).... once you mess up the launch, you might as well start over.

[AudiA4_20T]

o well, even though you guys dont like it I think im gonna go for it

[F16HTON]

Go for it, will not work on the B6...

[mike-2ptzero]

Ha - 2 step for the win...

It may not improve the 60 foot, but it WILL improve consistency....... one 1.7 60' and five 1.9s or 2.0s make for a lot of abuse and waste of time when you make simple mistakes trying to launch.

The last time I went to track I didn't complete most of my runs (coasted to finish).... once you mess up the launch, you might as well start over.

I had no problem hitting 1.5-1.6 on all of my 10 second runs and that was with out using launch control, it just takes practice. The funny part is I never even look at the tach when launching any car that I run at the track.


I even spun the hell out of the tires on one of those runs, if I stopped like you did just because of that I wouldn't have put down another 10.8 run.

BTW even with launch control you are not going to get a consistant launch or 60 ft since the conditions will never be the same when you launch, DA and surface temps/traction changes which means you will be playing with tire pressure and the launch control rpm setting all the time. Not to mention trying to stage the car exactly the same every time which will effect your 60 ft time.

[F16HTON]

There is no need to even look at the tach when drag racing unless your car continues to make power beyond redline.

I highly doubt anyone on here has a car that does.

[mike-2ptzero]

There is no need to even look at the tach when drag racing unless your car continues to make power beyond redline.

I highly doubt anyone on here has a car that does.

Well some people look at it during the launch so they can release the clutch at the right rpm. A good driver will be able to do that just by feel so he can cut a good light(reaction time).


I hope you meant any "B6" that makes power beyond redline, unless you consider me in that group because my redline is 9500 and I only take it to 8500.



BTW I am going to try to bring the video camera for the track this saturday.

[CO AVANT]

heard it's supposed to be 90deg out Friday and Saturday
Is that dyno air conditioned? j/k lol

[Kittrell]

Thats actually cooler than here man. It is supposed to be 99 today and tomorrow. Followed up by 100 even on Saturday. My XCEL bill is gonna be atrocious.

[CO AVANT]

yeah it has been soooo fricking hot out. I think Colorado front range is setting records right now for the most consistent days over 90deg. My car is hating it right now...

[Kittrell]

yeah it has been soooo fricking hot out. I think Colorado front range is setting records right now for the most consistent days over 90deg. My car is hating it right now...

I think you are right. And if it continues, we are gonna break some record thats been held for like 136 years or some shit.............

[mike-2ptzero]

heard it's supposed to be 90deg out Friday and Saturday
Is that dyno air conditioned? j/k lol

Yeah they show a high of 92 but that will be peak temp around 4pm. Aren't you going to the dyno closer to 7-8pm? If so the temps should be in the low 80's high 70's by then.

Nice part about racing on saturday is that it doesn't even start till 4pm and goes till 10pm.

[CO AVANT]

Dyno is 6:30-7:30. Hopefully it will get down to ~80deg by then...

[dougyfresh]

yeah it has been soooo fricking hot out. I think Colorado front range is setting records right now for the most consistent days over 90deg. My car is hating it right now...

I didn't think it would get up to 90 in the mountains.

That reminds me. I can't wait until the fall when it cools off. I think my car is peppy now. Just wait until then . I love those 40deg extremely low humidity mornings in the fall.

[Don Supreme]

I even spun the hell out of the tires on one of those runs, if I stopped like you did just because of that I wouldn't have put down another 10.8 run.

Two things.

1. I blew 3rd gear while making a pass that i knew wouldn't be anything special. Therefore, if the launch is bad then why bother stress my car without the potential for running a new PB? Its not like I am bracket racing.

2. You also ran a 10.5 earlier, didn't you? I am sure you knew you weren't going to beat that 10.5 with that tractionless 10.8 launch.