what would my car run in the 1/4??

[acbaseball186]

ive just been curious, what do you playas think my car would run in the 1/4 mile? mods are listed in the sig below so please be kind enough to look and give me a rough estimate...i really have no idea but id say like high 14 low 15? does that sound reasonable? car has ~225hp, give or take a few...and also dont forget that the windows are tinted, that gives me at least 5 hp along with the dope sticker that adds another 5!

pics for clicks:

[Papachristou]

probably low-mid 14's if you are a good driver

[AudiA4_20T]

14.5

[Tgr_Clw]

I ran a 14.7 @ 92 with my setup on pump gas and no weight saving mods (including more than 1/2 tank of gas).

[absolutegtr]

I remember reading one of the members here running a 14.1 with a K04

[demea]

This should give you an idea http://www.mjbmotorsport.com/sitebui...medatabase.htm

[mike-2ptzero]

Its really going to depend on the driver and the conditions at the track.

[demea]

I ran a 14.7 @ 92 with my setup on pump gas and no weight saving mods (including more than 1/2 tank of gas).

MTM Stage 3 / Milltek Exhaust+HFC / JJ TIP / DSMIC

Gets you 14.7?

Is that a true Stage 3 setup??

[mike-2ptzero]

Gets you 14.7?

Is that a true Stage 3 setup??

That is a K04 setup, MTM just calls it their "stage 3".

[A4 TSCHUSS]

all I read was the first thing and it said K04, so............ slow

[golgo13]

I can run it faster. Nice picture though

[skeeball]

I ran a 14.7 @ 92 with my setup on pump gas and no weight saving mods (including more than 1/2 tank of gas).

Did it look something like this?

[HeHateMe]

I remember reading one of the members here running a 14.1 with a K04

Wasn't that Jet Jockey? His k04 is a different kind of animal.

edt: he ran a 13.336 with the MTM k04 and 14.1 with a regular one.

[prey]

are our cars really that slow, no wonder people always think about going BAT.

[Tgr_Clw]

Did it look something like this?

Yup, that would be me.

[skeeball]

Yup, that would be me.

I know. I think it's a badass photo.

[Tgr_Clw]

I know. I think it's a badass photo.

Yup. Props to JeffAhn. He does excellent work.

[golgo13]

are our cars really that slow, no wonder people always think about going BAT.

NOt really that slow compared to the other cars that fall in our category and price range back in b6 days. THe b6 was just not meant to see the track. some people here however would disagree and show me some good 1/4 numbers .

[demea]

some people here however would disagree and show me some good 1/4 numbers .

...but lousy numbers after a significant amount of money invested. I think the fastest B6 on the board is high 12's ?
Fast, yes. A stock Mustang GT or {insert car here} will walk the average BT A4 putting up 13's in the 1/4. Its a shame, the B6 is such a nice platform

NOt really that slow compared to the other cars that fall in our category and price range back in b6 days.

I think Audi was the ONLY major player in its class to fall under the 200 HP mark in B6 days.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but those #'s sad.

[mike-2ptzero]

...but lousy numbers after a significant amount of money invested. I think the fastest B6 on the board is high 12's ?
Fast, yes. A stock Mustang GT or {insert car here} will walk the average BT A4 putting up 13's in the 1/4. Its a shame, the B6 is such a nice platform


I think Audi was the ONLY major player in its class to fall under the 200 HP mark in B6 days.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but those #'s sad.

GTO's run 13's and it is a sports car. Stock 2007 Mustang GT runs mid 13's to low 14's with most people running high 13's.

[demea]

GTO's run 13's and it is a sports car. Stock 2007 Mustang GT runs mid 13's to low 14's with most people running high 13's.

They're accurate #'s, Mike. No doubt. I've been a motor head (mainly American cars) for years and am still getting used to the Euro tuner scene.
I do have some experiences with Supra's, RX-7's and TT 300ZX's though.

But...if a BT Audi driver has 10K + into his car and pulls up to a bone stock Mustang at a stop light late at night, no one around, and he (Mustang) still has the temp tags and dealer gas in his car and its an (at least) even race...
Thats kinda where I'm disappointed in the enourmous amount of work that goes into modding the 1.8.
Its just not there!!

I know the cars (Mustang, Firebird, GTO) are in different classes than the A4, but the extensive Stage 3 mods SHOULD make the Audi a better contender than it is in the 1/4. But for arguments sake...a new stock G35 is turning sub six second 0-60's and turning the 1/4 in under 14.0...and thats in the same class as the A4 putting out 306 HP/286 LbFt. and it's 3532 Lbs.

I'm just sayin...

[skeeball]

But for arguments sake...a new stock G35 is turning sub six second 0-60's and turning the 1/4 in under 14.0...and thats in the same class as the A4 putting out 306 HP/286 LbFt. and it's 3532 Lbs.

I'm just sayin...

That is comparing cars from two different time periods. The 03-04 G35 put out 260hp and equal torque. And that's with two extra cylinders. A BT B6 would smoke that.

[mike-2ptzero]

They're accurate #'s, Mike. No doubt. I've been a motor head (mainly American cars) for years and am still getting used to the Euro tuner scene.
I do have some experiences with Supra's, RX-7's and TT 300ZX's though.

But...if a BT Audi driver has 10K + into his car and pulls up to a bone stock Mustang at a stop light late at night, no one around, and he (Mustang) still has the temp tags and dealer gas in his car and its an (at least) even race...
Thats kinda where I'm disappointed in the enourmous amount of work that goes into modding the 1.8.
Its just not there!!

I know the cars (Mustang, Firebird, GTO) are in different classes than the A4, but the extensive Stage 3 mods SHOULD make the Audi a better contender than it is in the 1/4. But for arguments sake...a new stock G35 is turning sub six second 0-60's and turning the 1/4 in under 14.0...and thats in the same class as the A4 putting out 306 HP/286 LbFt. and it's 3532 Lbs.

I'm just sayin...

10K? It cost half that to make 300whp on a B6. For $10k it would have a built engine/head and BAT setup making up close to 400whp or more.

Its not going to be a close race at all since the BT B6 is going to have a huge advantage on the launch putting a good 3 car lead on the mustang if not more.

But then who would want to own one of those other cars when they can own an Audi.

[bavaria75]

Just like to thourh some thought into this thread here.
Remeber that our cars come from Germany. In Germany you pay tax for your car based on a emision code and than for each 100cc of engine size. So the smaller the displacement the lower the tax. However we are not measured on power or output. Also with gas prices being at 9USD a gallon, big engines are rare as 3 cylinder engines in the US.
So as for Audi the 1.8T, 3.0 S4/RS4 are the strongest engines in there engine selection (4cyl, V6 and V8) and chosen for the US.
In addition our weather and rain calles out for other attributes in our cars. Like ESP, ABS, Quattro, and this is where the strength of our cars come in.
Try a Mustang against a A4 on a winding mountain road, if needed make it rain and you will see who will enjoy a beer first on top of the maintain.
Just saying that you can't compare a Mustang to a A4 apple to apple, they where designed and build for different markets. (4 door vs. 2 door, Sedan vs a sportscar)

[CO AVANT]

Shit, I'd have eaten lunch, taken some pics, and chilled for a bit before a mustang would finally see me at the top of the mountain lol

[demea]

That is comparing cars from two different time periods. The 03-04 G35 put out 260hp and equal torque. And that's with two extra cylinders. A BT B6 would smoke that.

True, but the #'s on a B6 BT arent much different from a new G35.
Yes a BT would beat a similar model year G, but not by much. 6.2 sec 0-60 (tested for the 04 model year) is PROBABLY around a 14.0-14.5 1/4 mile.
Whats an average BT A4 running? Isnt it around 13.5-14.0?

[CO AVANT]

13.5-14? maybe with a bad driver. Quattro's can launch and run great 60ft's... Even Jet Jockey and his hybrid mtm K04 setup can run low 13's... (before ALL the lightweight stuff was done recently)

[demea]

10K? It cost half that to make 300whp on a B6. For $10k it would have a built engine/head and BAT setup making up close to 400whp or more.

Its not going to be a close race at all since the BT B6 is going to have a huge advantage on the launch putting a good 3 car lead on the mustang if not more.

But then who would want to own one of those other cars when they can own an Audi.

I was just throwing a dollar amount out there. With cosmetic mods + BT and supporting mods, you have to be somewhere around that #?

I agree with you, I DO NOT SUPPORT MUSTANGS. I always use them for 1/4 mile comparisons.

[skeeball]

http://www.mjbmotorsport.com/sitebui...medatabase.htm

[demea]

Try a Mustang against a A4 on a winding mountain road, if needed make it rain and you will see who will enjoy a beer first on top of the maintain.

But in the everyday world, though...the stoplight race is always the "who's weiner is bigger" contest and that was the OP's concern, not the twisties

C'mon, if you pulled up to any car that was lowered, wheels, FMIC sticking out the front and a boost gauge on the pillar...wouldnt you think he was a racer??

I guess thats my point.

[demea]

http://www.mjbmotorsport.com/sitebui...medatabase.htm

Yeah, I saw that before. Not bad...but the FASTEST B6 BT car is 12.63 and the average is 13.0 - 13.5.
Recall these are the BEST recorded runs as well. Normal highway runs or stoplight battles will almost certainly yield lousier results. But thats any car.
My GN would almost always have to spooled up, emergency braked, airbag adjusted...blah, blah, blah to get the best hook up on launch.

[mike-2ptzero]

Yeah, I saw that before. Not bad...but the FASTEST B6 BT car is 12.63 and the average is 13.0 - 13.5.
Recall these are the BEST recorded runs as well. Normal highway runs or stoplight battles will almost certainly yield lousier results. But thats any car.
My GN would almost always have to spooled up, emergency braked, airbag adjusted...blah, blah, blah to get the best hook up on launch.

Well remember that the times posted for other cars are with pro drivers and 1/4 mile times posted by normal people for the RWD cars are running DR's or slicks. On the street a RWD car is usually always going to lose a stop light race since it cant get enough traction to get out of the hole.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

not one thing is changed to my car except for adding some boost from going off the street onto the track. No suspension adjustment, light wheels, slicks, blah blah blah. I can pull up to a stoplight and take off just like I would at the track without having to tinker with things.

And a little background, with a slightly undersized intercooler which caused timing pull as I went through the gears down the track I was able to run a 13.35 @100mph and also ran many more runs of 13.4 and 5 at 100 and 101 and it was around 70 degrees If I remember right. This was on 93 octane, no methanol injection, etc. With the same setup but add in my meth and some increased timing but much worse weather (90 degrees and like 80% humidity) I was able to run 13.1 @ 103mph and several 13.2 and 13.3s.

Can't wait to get back to the track with my new intercooler and meth going with more than 20psi of boost. Im gonna break some records

[velocipedio]

Just like to thourh some thought into this thread here.
Remeber that our cars come from Germany. In Germany you pay tax for your car based on a emision code and than for each 100cc of engine size. So the smaller the displacement the lower the tax. However we are not measured on power or output. Also with gas prices being at 9USD a gallon, big engines are rare as 3 cylinder engines in the US.
So as for Audi the 1.8T, 3.0 S4/RS4 are the strongest engines in there engine selection (4cyl, V6 and V8) and chosen for the US.
In addition our weather and rain calles out for other attributes in our cars. Like ESP, ABS, Quattro, and this is where the strength of our cars come in.
Try a Mustang against a A4 on a winding mountain road, if needed make it rain and you will see who will enjoy a beer first on top of the maintain.
Just saying that you can't compare a Mustang to a A4 apple to apple, they where designed and build for different markets. (4 door vs. 2 door, Sedan vs a sportscar)

Heck even in good weather your car on a winding mountain road will outhandle a mustang. The A4 may not have incredible power, but it's still a good driver's car. The B6 chassis and suspension design are excellent, and AWD will almost always handle better than RWD, even if RWD is subjectively more "fun."

[demea]

Well remember that the times posted for other cars are with pro drivers and 1/4 mile times posted by normal people for the RWD cars are running DR's or slicks. On the street a RWD car is usually always going to lose a stop light race since it cant get enough traction to get out of the hole.

True. The AWD cars will always have the advantage there, even if the RWD cars are faster.

[mike-2ptzero]

not one thing is changed to my car except for adding some boost from going off the street onto the track. No suspension adjustment, light wheels, slicks, blah blah blah. I can pull up to a stoplight and take off just like I would at the track without having to tinker with things.

And a little background, with a slightly undersized intercooler which caused timing pull as I went through the gears down the track I was able to run a 13.35 @100mph and also ran many more runs of 13.4 and 5 at 100 and 101 and it was around 70 degrees If I remember right. This was on 93 octane, no methanol injection, etc. With the same setup but add in my meth and some increased timing but much worse weather (90 degrees and like 80% humidity) I was able to run 13.1 @ 103mph and several 13.2 and 13.3s.

Can't wait to get back to the track with my new intercooler and meth going with more than 20psi of boost. Im gonna break some records

I sure hope so seeing that the record time was ran over 2.5 years ago and without being at sealevel.

[bavaria75]

But in the everyday world, though...the stoplight race is always the "who's weiner is bigger" contest and that was the OP's concern, not the twisties

C'mon, if you pulled up to any car that was lowered, wheels, FMIC sticking out the front and a boost gauge on the pillar...wouldnt you think he was a racer??

I guess thats my point.

Agree totally.
But still know what war to win and wich to loss.
Red light and a straight away - let them go
Red light on a turn - Get the rubber slammed in the corner and gone as the Mustang still struggles for tracktion in the corner.
Now I have a 3.0 so no signs of a racer, true.

Not sure but as for the 1.8T if you cruise around 20-30 mph longside a Mustang and get the turbo spooled up nicely, wouldn't you win that one up to 140mph or so (as the Mustang limited to 120 and the A4 to 128 in US spec)?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I sure hope so seeing that the record time was ran over 2.5 years ago and without being at sealevel.

What's your point? I havent even seen 24-25psi in 2 years. And hey I drive everyday at like 2500ft air density due to the weather here and im only like 3ft above sea level.

[demea]

Agree totally.
But still know what war to win and wich to loss.
Red light and a straight away - let them go
Red light on a turn - Get the rubber slammed in the corner and gone as the Mustang still struggles for tracktion in the corner.
Now I have a 3.0 so no signs of a racer, true.

Not sure but as for the 1.8T if you cruise around 20-30 mph longside a Mustang and get the turbo spooled up nicely, wouldn't you win that one up to 140mph or so (as the Mustang limited to 120 and the A4 to 128 in US spec)?

True true true.

I suppose that would be a pretty fair run...from a roll, or maybe in the rain

Maybe here's an answer to that scenario...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsxAZUvexYQ

[A4 TSCHUSS]

That M3 is one of the fastest stock ones around and had different gearing (It is supercharged now though). He would beat other M3s with headers and exhaust and his car was all stock minus the gears.