Vogtland vs Stasis Ohlins vs KW v3 vs others?

[cellg8]

Could anyone tell me how they are compared to each other? The price difference is quite big (Stasis is 2X > Vogtland)... I'm not sure how much KW V3's are..

I want a good coilover system that won't cause any negative camber or problems. Please let me know and also tell me where is a good place to get them at a good price. If there's another system out there, please feel free to post, thank you.

[PenguiN]

KW V3 for sure... If you compare bang for buck. Unless go spend thousands on the Ohlins, for not much of a difference with the KW's. Forget Vogtland, cant even be compared to stasis & KW.

[cellg8]

KW V3 for sure... If you compare bang for buck. Unless go spend thousands on the Ohlins, for not much of a difference with the KW's. Forget Vogtland, cant even be compared to stasis & KW.

Thank you. Where's the good place to get KW and how much do they run?

[Mike@PureMS]

Funny, Vogtland makes springs for KW, and they also use the same shock company as KW, ALKO.

Vogtland kits are a great setup on the S4. They're a fixed damper with a good range of height adjustability. They've been making springs for 100 years in Germany, so know a thing or two about the business.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions on their products. We're their largest Audi/VW specialists and can easily help you out.

Thanks

[cellg8]

Thank you for the input, Mike.

I would also like to know how easy it is to adjust the height of these coilovers. Is that something I can do myself at my garage?

Thank you

John

[Quattroownsyou]

Got PSS9's, for price and performance...can't go wrong. They're comfortable enough for most people.

[tike0rz]

I've had Vogtland coilovers for roughly a year now. I believe when I ordered them from PureMS they were ~$1000 shipped. For the price, the quality is superb. I've ridden in a KW v3 car and I didn't much like it. Very rough.

[bhvrdr]

KW and Vogtland are a street coilover.

The stasis Motorsports are a track coilover that can be used on the street. The Ohlins dampers are superior to what is available in the street range of coilovers available. This means a setup that can handle huge 1000 lb ++ spring rates while peroviding a BETTER ride than OEM. This is not the case for the other two you mentioned. But if just looking for a bit of lowering then either the KW or Vogtland should be great. Ask Mike Kim but several of the Vogtland setups also have a very unique rear height adjuster that makes things very easy on you if you plan on raising and lowering seasonally.

cheers! Mike

[EuroB6]

^^ yes, as Mike said, the rear adjustment on my Vogtlands are easy and i the ride is great! I like these much better than my H&R Coils.

[cellg8]

Thank you once again, gentlemen.

How easy is it to adjust the front (to make it back to normal that is)? My dad will be driving this car, too and I don't want it low when he drives it...thanks!

[Maverick]

Bilstein PSS9.
KW V3 is more for the track, so is Stasis Ohlins.

[cellg8]

Where is a good place to get Bilstein PSS9?

Thank you.

[i_eat_staples]

ive had h&r coils on my car for about 2.5 yrs now/35,000 miles and a dozen track days, love em...allthough they sit low and are a harder to adjust than some of the other systems

[Maverick]

wait a little bit because there might be a group buy for the PSS9 system. if not I will contact someone for you

[cellg8]

wait a little bit because there might be a group buy for the PSS9 system. if not I will contact someone for you

cool thanks! If the performance/ease of adjustment is close to Vogtland, Vogtland is $500 cheaper...

[MOFSTEEL]

Read this thread about KW's.

http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223456

They are not "very rough" like someone stated whom only rode in a car with them.
I suggest you ask for opinions from people who actually own the products and not vendors trying to push a brand they carry.
If you're an avid autocrosser I would suggest the Stasis Ohlin setup.
If you intend to do mostly street with a little track pick up the KW V3's.
I prefer to do it right the first time. A few hundred bucks will save you headaches later on.
With that being said go have them professionally installed.
I tackled the install myself and it took much longer than expected. I even had access to a lift and countless tools. Unless you're a seasoned mechanic I wouldnt try this install in your garage.

[cellg8]

Thanks, Mofsteel. Makes sense!

I wasn't trying to do install myself actually... I was wondering if I could higher/lower this anytime I want by myself after the install. Therefore I asked how easy is it to do that?

Do you think it's easy to lower/higher the height without using a lift?

[Maverick]

no it's not easy. I can answer this one for you. I tried to raise my rears myself, couldn't do it without a lift.
an aftermarket jack stand is not enough either.

[cellg8]

no it's not easy. I can answer this one for you. I tried to raise my rears myself, couldn't do it without a lift.
an aftermarket jack stand is not enough either.

Thank you.

[MOFSTEEL]

Thanks, Mofsteel. Makes sense!

I wasn't trying to do install myself actually... I was wondering if I could higher/lower this anytime I want by myself after the install. Therefore I asked how easy is it to do that?

Do you think it's easy to lower/higher the height without using a lift?

I am guilty of skimming through that question.
It is possible to adjust for height after the install.
Using the hydraulic jack below made things easier.

Dont use the stock jack unless you dont mind the possibility of your car falling over.
Before I had the car corner balanced I adjusted it to see what height looked the best.

[r3dcloud]

KW V3's FTW!!! i dont have V3's but i have a set of KW V2's i love the handling and ride alot better compared than when i had my Koni CO's

[maybachgt]

Ohlins shocks are easily the top in the business. Nothing comes close for street set ups unless you go with a custom MOTON setup or Penske. Stassis does a great job pairing Eibac springs in different stiffnesses suiting your needs. KWs are a great choice for less money. If you have enough for Ohlins go for it you will never look back. If KWs fit your budget better then thats not really much of a downgrade either, but I wouldnt bother with anything else

[GFRRS3]

Nobody likes the H&Rs? 1200 for the set, seems like a fair price.

[tadhgbrosnan]

I just had the basic Vogtlands installed on my B6 last week. FWIW, I was simply looking to eliminate the bouncy/floating ride of the OEM suspension. I also wanted to lower the car an inch or so. My initial impression is very good. The Vogts have firmed up the ride while also improving ride quality. The car soaks up imperfectons much better than before. A noticeable improvement and a relative bargain for $1100/shipped from PureMS.

Also, I had H&R coils on my B5 and the Vogts feel MUCH better.

[tadhgbrosnan]

Nobody likes the H&Rs? 1200 for the set, seems like a fair price.

I was not impressed at all with the H&Rs. Ride quality was firmer, yes, but not necessarily improved. I did not notice a discernible upgrade in handling, either. The car looked so much better lowered, though, that it was still worth it to me.

After my experience with H&Rs, the much improved ride offered by the Vogts was a pleasant surprise. The fact that they are $200 cheaper than H&Rs makes it that much better.

[bhvrdr]

Bilstein PSS9.
KW V3 is more for the track, so is Stasis Ohlins.

I would actually consider the PSS9 a bit more track oriented than the KW V3. It utilizes aggressive monotube dampners with linear rate springs. The only thing different about the KW v3 from v1 and 2 is the double adjustability but it still utilizes relatively soft PROGRESSIVE rate springs. When speaking with the tech dept of KW north america they were very upfront and insistent that I would not be happy with their variant 1 to 3 setups if I was into tracking. For that, they do actually make 2 and 3 way race coilovers.

cheers! Mike

[Louis J.]

If you haven't already done so, you may want to consider doing a search on each of the options you listed. They're all great setups but some will be overkill for street use. I have Vogtlands and I'm very pleased with the quality, handling characteristics and ease/range of adjustability for the money. You don't need anything else for a street car. If you're an advanced driver and do motorsports, KW V3, Ohlins or PSS9s might serve you better.

[channad]

STaSIS Ohlins SLs...do it right the first time...

[AndreNY]

if you wanna go low then FK is a no brainer. This is my car half way down (still have 49 threads to go) i will be going lower as soon as my 19's arrive

[tadhgbrosnan]

if you wanna go low then FK is a no brainer. This is my car half way down (still have 49 threads to go) i will be going lower as soon as my 19's arrive

Please tell me you're joking...

[XwalkerX]

i have owned a whole bunch of different coils on all my previous cars but i must say fk coils are GARBAGE. i have them on my mk1 and the ride is terrable. thats all they do is go low. ill never make that mistake again. right now i have kw v3's on my s4 and they are by far the best coils i have ever owned ride is not horrible they have a stainless body so they wont rust in the winter we get up here and you can adjust everything to your liking.

[AndreNY]

i have owned a whole bunch of different coils on all my previous cars but i must say fk coils are GARBAGE. i have them on my mk1 and the ride is terrable. thats all they do is go low. ill never make that mistake again. right now i have kw v3's on my s4 and they are by far the best coils i have ever owned ride is not horrible they have a stainless body so they wont rust in the winter we get up here and you can adjust everything to your liking.

yes but your comparing apples and oranges, a MK1 golf and a B6 S4 are a totally different car (totally different suspension base) no matter what kind of coils you put on a MK1 it will ride like A$$, plus the FK's i got have adjustable dampening, and at the height they are right now drive 1000 times better then my H&R's did. Im not saying FK is better then KW, but for the price its a pretty good bang for the buck

[XwalkerX]

i had fk's in my mk3 also and just thought they sucked because i didnt go with the top of the line one. i then swaped them out for h&r ultra lows. i picked up the top of the line fk coil for the mk1 and realized joke was on me. they felt the same. oh well.

[jayel]

I had H&R coilovers on my old TT..

that + the rear sway bars made the handling incredible.

But, it wasn't very comfortable in everyday driving...especially in SF roads.

After having gone through that, I'd get the stasis SL's... or the kw v3's (stainless) if you live somewhere that salts the roads.

[docjester9]

I installed PSS9s about a month ago as well as some hsport sways, and i've got to say, if you dial the shocks in right, it's not too harsh of a ride, and the drop is perfect, next thing on my list is either 19s or catback....

[PenguiN]

Funny, Vogtland makes springs for KW, and they also use the same shock company as KW, ALKO.

Vogtland kits are a great setup on the S4. They're a fixed damper with a good range of height adjustability. They've been making springs for 100 years in Germany, so know a thing or two about the business.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions on their products. We're their largest Audi/VW specialists and can easily help you out.

Thanks

The difference is, Im not trying to sell this guy anything-You Are. Im just talking about personal experience. So put a plug in your ass and calm down. A spring is just a spring as long as its done by a reputable company, what sets it apart are the shocks and adjust-ability.