brake upgrade 1.8T to 3.0

[rtb98]

simple question guys,

i want to upgrade my brake from stock 1.8T to 3.0

i know i need 3.0 rotor and caliper carrier ...

so, i'Ve got an hard time to find just the carrier. in the junk yard they just sale the entire unit (caliper and carrier) and, guess what ... it fucXXX expensive.

so, somebody know the price for this carrier at the dealer or know a nice place to buy them !

thank folks

[A4ringedONE8T]

ECS tuning or about 250-275 bucks ea from the dealer

[gdawg'05a4]

You can find good deals on a HP2 setup through the classifieds for about the same price...much better upgrade IMO.

[swrt83]

DON'T DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! Okay, now.. seriously? You'll regret going to a 3.0 upgrade b/c quite frankly they're terrible.. go with a B5 S4 upgrade at the very least.. i despise my brakes and may upgrade to the B7 A4 (i think its the same as the B6S4)

[initiala4]

Mmm I dont have problems with my 3.0 setup using Stoptech replacement rotors and Axxis.

I guess if you can get the B7 A4 brake setup, then go for it!

[HeHateMe]

Mmm I dont have problems with my 3.0 setup using Stoptech replacement rotors and Axxis.

I guess if you can get the B7 A4 brake setup, then go for it!

great upgrade that doesn't cost that much

[mxrz]

All B5/B6/B7 calipers in question here are basically the same shit. Sliding, single piston mechanism, made from cast iron. It's a crappy design used only because the out facing side of the caliper, where there is no piston, can be very narrow, which facilitates fitment of stock wheels with conservative offsets. The advantages end there, and a long list of disadvantages begin. Worthless upgrades imo.

[LTrain2273]

I went with the HP2 setup from a B5 S4 Avant. Love the two piston setup,direct bolt-on. Way worth it!

[scorneil]

i got my 3.0 carriers used in the classifieds for $100 shipped

if you're patient wait and find a used set

most peeps say it's not worth it but for $100 pretty cheap upgrade (i needed new rotors and pads anyway)

[rtb98]

i got my 3.0 carriers used in the classifieds for $100 shipped

if you're patient wait and find a used set

most peeps say it's not worth it but for $100 pretty cheap upgrade (i needed new rotors and pads anyway)

exactly, i've got to do a brake job anyway, so why not add few $ and get the 3.0 upgraded brake !

i dont need any S4 brake upgrade or anything, to me, my 1.8T just need a little help, so the 3.0 upgrade for 100-150$ will be great !

thank for your awenser guys 1

[swrt83]

Just giving an honest opinion before. I baby my car and don't drive it hard at all. I'm glad I don't tailgate either, because I've almost rear-ended roughly 5 people and have had the car for only 9 months now. Just be careful, esp If you need to stop very quickly because of traffic or whatever. I just don't think it has enough stopping power for the weight of the car and really believe you should save the extra money and go with something a little bigger.. But to each their own.

[Ill 3.0]

You're sure your pads and rotors are ok? I thought my stock 3.0 brakes were ok for normal driving and avoiding some accidents, certainly better than a lot of other cars I've driven.

[HeHateMe]

All B5/B6/B7 calipers in question here are basically the same shit. Sliding, single piston mechanism, made from cast iron. It's a crappy design used only because the out facing side of the caliper, where there is no piston, can be very narrow, which facilitates fitment of stock wheels with conservative offsets. The advantages end there, and a long list of disadvantages begin. Worthless upgrades imo.

what brake upgrade would you suggest that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like all of the BBKs out there?

[swrt83]

You're sure your pads and rotors are ok? I thought my stock 3.0 brakes were ok for normal driving and avoiding some accidents, certainly better than a lot of other cars I've driven.

It's quite possible I needed some adjustment time for this car, as I do feel its gotten a little better lately. You really need to stomp on those bad boys though. I used to own a VW rabbit prior to the A4, so the mechanism is still a similar process being that they're both VAG. The rabbit used to stop on a dime. Just for instance, if you drive american or toyota, they're pretty good with the stop power given the weight of the car. My old man owns an impala and the brakes are tremendous!

However, like I said before.. if you really want a little bit extra bite at a reasonable price, go with the B7 upgrade since the rotors and calipers are both larger. You can cruise around the forums and find a ton of people who dislike the B6 brakes, on both models.

[Turbo_Whip]

Skip the 3.0L brake upgrade, you wont see much braking power improvement. I went with B7 S4 front brakes (found them in the classifieds for $600) and simply put new pads in the rear..... and to be honest the stopping power is MUCH better, almost comparable to a BBK.

[rtb98]

what do you need to upgrade to B7 front brake ?

i guess, caliper, carrier, disc and pad ?

[swrt83]

You got it! Most would suggest upgrading your lines too. I'd go with a Hawk pad

[Matt C]

Skip the 3.0L brake upgrade, you wont see much braking power improvement. I went with B7 S4 front brakes (found them in the classifieds for $600) and simply put new pads in the rear..... and to be honest the stopping power is MUCH better, almost comparable to a BBK.

Ouch - I found mine in the classifieds for 250 shipped (calipers, carriers, pads, and lines) so I just needed to buy rotors. I upgraded my brake lines to stoptech SS and bought OEM rotors new from genuinevwaudiparts.com for $75. All in all I had $425 invested, and the braking difference is remarkable. B6 A4 brakes are the worst...

[Papachristou]

i got my 3.0 carriers used in the classifieds for $100 shipped

if you're patient wait and find a used set

most peeps say it's not worth it but for $100 pretty cheap upgrade (i needed new rotors and pads anyway)

people say its not worth it because of ECS's crazy high price... if u found a kit for $100-200 hell yeah i think its worth it but buying it brand new, i would say no its not worth it, find some b6s4 fronts instead

(i know because i have this kit and bought it from ECS)

[b6onboost]

The 3.0 upgrade is worthy if you add new rotors, hawk pads, and SS lines. Just don't pay retail for the carriers...like from ECS...because then the upgrade isn't really worth the money.

[ttay1977]

I was also going to do the 3.0 upgrade but decided against it. From what I understand, it will only help with brake fade and not stopping distances. So I went with more aggressive pads and flushed the fluids. I do feel more comfortable with emergency stops now.

[samaritano]

Excuse my ignorance what is HP2? And if getting a used B5 S4 front and back brakes (Rotors, calipers, pads, brake lines) how much should this run for?

[mxrz]

what brake upgrade would you suggest that doesn't cost an arm and a leg like all of the BBKs out there?

If you don't want to spend the money on a BBK, and you certainly don't have to if you don't need long lasting brake fade resistance. (track, or lots of street hoonage), you just enhance your stock setup with stainless steel braided Teflon lines, more aggressive pads and some good brake fluid (Motul RFB) and bleed the system properly. The pads provide more initial bite and with the SS lines, you firm up the pedal, since the lines do not expand like stock lines which translates into less or almost no brake pedal travel wasted before you're actually applying brake force. This is what fools people into thinking their upgraded brakes can stop the car faster, but in reality they are simply generating brake force sooner, given the same pedal travel and motion of your foot, and if you introduce highway speed and the average driver reaction time into the equation, the stopping distance can indeed decrease, but the size of the rotors and the number of caliper pistons play no part in this.

BBKs, other than providing much more consistent and sustainable braking performance, lap after lap, only enhance these traits. The pedal is even firmer and require even less travel. Other than that, multiple opposed piston calipers aren't prone to tapered pad and rotor wear, as much as the sliding single piston design, so it's possible, with normal street use, to experience a longer pad and rotor life.

Anyway, a basic upgrade like lines/pads/fluid gives you the best price to performance ratio. The next best thing would be the BBK. And the worst price to performance ratio would be all of these B6/B7 upgrades that retain the awful sliding caliper design with only a single piston per rotor/pad area (this includes the dual piston HP2 caliper, because the pistons aren't opposed) and they all increase unsprung weight as well, unless you opt for expensive 2pc rigid or floating rotors.

[A4 ABT]

I bought my "3.0 brake kit" from ECS Tuning. It's a good upgrade, providing better braking...but DON'T expect to be amazed as you would with a "real" BBK.

[rtb98]

like i said, i need to change all 4 rotor and my 2 set of pad.

so, if i can find any good carrier for 100-150$ , the 3.0L brake are the same price than the 1.8T

so, for sure i will not thing about a major improvement for 150$ but hey, bigger the brake look, better your car look good in 18 inch !!! haha

[billq]

Are B7 RS4 brakes a direct bolt on for a B6?
Pending wheel clearance?

[mxrz]

Are B7 RS4 brakes a direct bolt on for a B6?
Pending wheel clearance?

Yes: http://www.shop.dthaus.com/product.s...2&productId=74