RS4 K04 or RS6 K04!!!!

[antoanS4]

Hi guys i just bought from vast the stage3 RS4 K04 but before put them in i seen some videos on youtube of S4s runing with both set up i just dont see that much difference, can somebody help me to make up my mind

[S4evr]

buy tials or gt's

[antoanS4]

you know how much is the kit

[hyperlight944]

tial is about 6600 genx is 7500 but you get manifolds and dp's and everything needed to p[ut em on and tial is just bolt on to stock stuff .....no fueling is included on neither

[antoanS4]

thanks for the info

[antoanS4]

do you have both web pages for the kits

[Skydive@AI]

tial is about 6600 genx is 7500 but you get manifolds and dp's and everything needed to p[ut em on and tial is just bolt on to stock stuff .....no fueling is included on neither

Incorrect. MSRP on the TiAL kit is $5,800. I don't think there's a website for the kit as such, but I'm sure TiAL Products will refer you to your local distributor.

-Michael.

[quickaudi]

contact EPL - they've done both and can give you some insight on the differences

[CHEROHALA]

The owner of EPL has RS6 turbos in his S4... that said a lot.

[Slow4]

Just for general knowledge, is there an advantage to running RS6 K04s versus the RS4 K04s?

[Das General]

They are hybrids. You can crank the boost up a tad bit.

[Skydive@AI]

Just for general knowledge, is there an advantage to running RS6 K04s versus the RS4 K04s?

K04/RS6 turbos are hybrids built in K04 housings with an RS6/TT225 Compressor wheel. They generally afford something like 20-40 horsepower beyond that of standard K04s when tuned properly.

K04s and K04 Hybrids are "default" enthusiast upgrades, generally done when factory K03s give up. We have finally gotten to the point where RS6 turbos are becoming the "standard for fast", and the "next step" options are slowly coming to market and becoming accessible.

With options like full RS6 and TiAL R650s here, and GenX on the horizon, things are changing. The pricepoints are falling, and the state of tuning is improving. In my humble opinion, RS6 turbos and the TiAL kits are close enough in price by the time all is said and done, that it's worth looking at the ball bearing TiALs if you are inclined to do the full RS6s at all.

[Skydive@AI]

The owner of EPL has RS6 turbos in his S4... that said a lot.

True. Tony had invested in his RS6 setup before the TiAL kit became widely available. Given his preliminary results with the TiAL kit, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have gone that route if it was available at the time.

[Slow4]

K04/RS6 turbos are hybrids built in K04 housings with an RS6/TT225 Compressor wheel. They generally afford something like 20-40 horsepower beyond that of standard K04s when tuned properly.

K04s and K04 Hybrids are "default" enthusiast upgrades, generally done when factory K03s give up. We have finally gotten to the point where RS6 turbos are becoming the "standard for fast", and the "next step" options are slowly coming to market and becoming accessible.

With options like full RS6 and TiAL R650s here, and GenX on the horizon, things are changing. The pricepoints are falling, and the state of tuning is improving. In my humble opinion, RS6 turbos and the TiAL kits are close enough in price by the time all is said and done, that it's worth looking at the ball bearing TiALs if you are inclined to do the full RS6s at all.

Hm.

Good to know. I've always wanted to know if RS6 K04s could be utilized in an S4 format but never got around to asking. I have this inkling feeling that my K03s are going to go soon (knock on wood that it doesn't) and have started looking at the K04 setups. GT setups look to be out of my price range, and because I use my S more for DD purposes than drag/street races.

[CHEROHALA]

True. Tony had invested in his RS6 setup before the TiAL kit became widely available. Given his preliminary results with the TiAL kit, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have gone that route if it was available at the time.

I've actually ask Tony that exact question and he's really likes his setup now and it is his favorite Setup to tune. That is the main reason I went with a RS6 config. With Rosten rod, my car is running very strong. Even with the Tial kit available now, I still happy with my OEM RS6 turbos :)

[wreckedimolas4]

yes but if you could get factory rs6 turbos for $2800 like my self then i see no need for the tials

[Dr.Duct]

yes but if you could get factory rs6 turbos for $2800 like my self then i see no need for the tials

not everyone is as awesome as you..

to the poster/thread starter..

If you want to go the hybrid route, buy a set of blown ko4's. Blouche is one of the more reliable rebuilder's for the ko4's. They will replace it with the 997 vs. the rs6. It seems to be a little more reliable and produce a little more power as well.. Their is also a k24 option which is a little larger. Blouche is as moody as a girl.. One week they wont do ko4 hybrids and the next week they will.

Its about $700-$1000 a turbo when doing the 997 hybrids. Also contact simply at WMS. He can give you contact info on the guy that does the rebuilds on their turbos as well.. Really nice guy and he chargers, i believe, $600-$800 a turbo for RS6's.

If youd like you can pm me, and I can give you some further insite on tuning, fueling, etc. ideas and option's.

[Aphex350]

K04/RS6 turbos are hybrids built in K04 housings with an RS6/TT225 Compressor wheel. They generally afford something like 20-40 horsepower beyond that of standard K04s when tuned properly.

K04s and K04 Hybrids are "default" enthusiast upgrades, generally done when factory K03s give up. We have finally gotten to the point where RS6 turbos are becoming the "standard for fast", and the "next step" options are slowly coming to market and becoming accessible.

With options like full RS6 and TiAL R650s here, and GenX on the horizon, things are changing. The pricepoints are falling, and the state of tuning is improving. In my humble opinion, RS6 turbos and the TiAL kits are close enough in price by the time all is said and done, that it's worth looking at the ball bearing TiALs if you are inclined to do the full RS6s at all.

Don't make me feel slow, I love my K04s!

[generationjdm]

I will agree with skydive, if your going with rs6 and then sending them out to have them upgraded it's pointless....

Also dont get caught up in all the larger comp wheels and rating, the turbos is usually only as good as the turbine side and there really has never been any real proof that 1 single hybrid setup has produced and real notice power over it's standard turbo, even if you pick up 20-30chp that still doesn't justify the cost to get that little of power..

[Jesse S.]

I'm content for now with the 997/KO4s.

I wouldn't mind riding in a GT S4 to see the differences.

[generationjdm]

I'm content for now with the 997/KO4s.

I wouldn't mind riding in a GT S4 to see the differences.

The difference could be like a stock ko3 car verse your car

[saucys4]

In my humble opinion, RS6 turbos and the TiAL kits are close enough in price by the time all is said and done, that it's worth looking at the ball bearing TiALs if you are inclined to do the full RS6s at all.

How so? Full RS6 turbos are around 3500 and the TiALs are 5800. Sure they include inlets but 2G's for turbos is quite a jump IMO.

[antoanS4]

where can i get the tial kit

[antoanS4]

where did you bought the Rs6 for 2800

[antoanS4]

where can i buy the tial kit

[BurnAll4S4]

lol shutup

[Audi S4 Turbo]

haha

[01treyS4]

ya for real i would like to know as well bout the tial kit as well i saw a ko4 race a tial car and from the out come would be like racing stock s4 vs a 1.8

[MacDaddy]

tial is about 6600 genx is 7500 but you get manifolds and dp's and everything needed to p[ut em on and tial is just bolt on to stock stuff .....no fueling is included on neither

if you got that kinda money to drop, i'd be looking at buying a faster car.