Fatal car crash in Muskoka/Bracebridge

[LowUFO]

Watching CP24 and they show a car on its side in a lake. "The car was travelling along a road at a high rate of speed when the car started to drift towards the guardrail."
The car looked like an RS4 but I'm not sure. All I could see was chrome window trim and RS4 or RS4 lookalike rims..

[m5racer]

shit thats kinda crazy, even crazyer is i herd on the way to work that a women on the 401 in toronto was killed after a Tractor Trailer, yes a tractor trailer hit her on the highway. that must have been some crazy shit!

[Tanner]

Details of the crash. Unfortunately it sounds like the classic case of young drivers driving way too fast and/or irresponsibly.

http://www.gravenhurstbanner.com/mus...article/109752


Three die as car plunges over bridge near Minett
Jul 04, 2008

Three young Toronto men are dead after a car plunged into Joseph River Thursday evening.

The car was travelling north on Peninsula Road, at the Joseph River Bridge, southeast of Minett just before 7 p.m. when if left the road on the west side, going down an embankment and into the water, according to Bracebridge OPP.

When police arrived the car, an Audi, was mostly submerged, laying on its passenger's side.

There were four people in the vehicle and Tyler Mulcahy, 20, Cory Mintz, 20, and Kourosh Totonchian, 19, all died. A fourth passenger, Nastasia Elzinga, 19, also of Toronto, was treated for minor injuries at the South Muskoka Memorial Hospital and released.

Peninsula Road was closed for several hours while traffic collision investigators and an identification unit investigated the scene. The road has since re-opened.

Bracebridge OPP continued to investigate the cause of the accident Friday morning.

While police were investigating, a blue Buick trying to turn around at the scene hit a roadside guardrail, catching the attention of Muskoka Lakes Fire Department firefighters. Bracebridge OPP officers left the accident scene and caught up to the vehicle in Port Carling, where they arrested the driver, Matthew MacDonald, 25, of Niagara Falls, on charges of driving while impaired. He was taken to the Bracebridge OPP detachment for breath tests and is scheduled to appear in court on July 22 to face the charge.

[lorvar]

I saw all those reports on CP24 just a few minites ago. So many accidents. The one in Bracebridge looked like a Jetta to me. Did you see the Lamborghini that hit the guardrail and was left on the side of the 401 and Leslie?

[LowUFO]

That survivor-Nastasia Elzinga. She's the daughter, I believe, of one of my customers. Jim Elzinga. He's a high altitude climber. He led an expedition that pushed the first north american woman to reach the peak of Everest. I think he's some kind of motivational speaker now. I've only dealt w him a couple times. Small world.

Sad accident but at least not all lives were lost..

[Tanner]

I PM'ed MXP to see if he knew Nastasia... as I noticed her name on Dan's list of friends and she also had Cory's name on facebook (yeah I'm bored here since I'm working but everybody else in the US is on holidays).

Small world.

Lamborghini - yeah what the heck was that.. fleeing from an accident?!?

[LowUFO]

Probably intoxicated and didn't want to get breathalyzed.

[Pr0n]

The news reported it as an S4.

[mxp]

hey tanner .. yea i know her .. very sweet girl .. i just heard of this now .. haven't gotten in touch with her yet

[DEMI]

It was a black audi s4

[jefferson88]

and everyone wonders why police hammer stupid kids with cars too powerful for them... It's to prevent stuff like this.

[mxp]

and everyone wonders why police hammer stupid kids with cars too powerful for them... It's to prevent stuff like this.

honestly unless you know the kids just keep your mouth shut .. it had nothing to do with the car people can crash a 1982 Toyota

[jefferson88]

I deal with them everyday in this capacity so trust me I know exactly what I am talking about... Speed is the major factor in the majority of fatal accidents. They took out 9 metres of guard rail and launched the car through pine trees and then into the water. It was an 80 kmh zone. Do the math. The worst part of these accidents is that two innocent passengers pay with their lives because of one persons choices. When you've seen multiple families suffer while delivering a death notification come and talk to me...

[jefferson88]

Also, the OPP said speed and alcohol were contributing factors....

[drmarcj]

One of these kids was a student at my university. I saw their pictures in the Globe this morning, and they seem like the kinds of kids that I see every day, the kinds who are ready to take on the world. It's just plain sad to see them die in this way. I just can't imagine what a 19 year old is doing driving a 300 hp sports car.

[1000songs]

I just can't imagine what a 19 year old is doing driving a 300 hp sports car.

Unfortunately, I totally agree. I will not speculate as to the cause of this awful accident, and my condolences to friends and family, but someone has to wonder about the choice of car keys for someone that age.

[mxp]

I just can't imagine what a 19 year old is doing driving a 300 hp sports car.

Unfortunately, I totally agree. I will not speculate as to the cause of this awful accident, and my condolences to friends and family, but someone has to wonder about the choice of car keys for someone that age.

the type of car makes no difference .. they could have hit the guard rail at 150KM/H in a civic, pinto, F150 etc ... 150 is 150 in whatever you drive .. and if you think about it .. the safety in a S4 is much better than a 1985 Buick ... so dont harp on the type of car

[ABanT]

Well it was the friend who was driving the car, not the owner. It's very likely that he didn't have any previous experience with the car which is why he lost control.

This is why you don't drive other's cars like you would your own car. No experience with how the car behaves.

Of course, should be careful even with your own car.

Either way it's sad to see such young people lose their lives.

[white fish]

the difference is that the s4 gets to 150 in a couple of seconds and the 85 buick gets there in a couple minutes

[MagnusS4]

^ you know that you can die pretty easily even @ 50km/hr...
they could have been doing 20km/hr and maybe by some event of bad luck hit the guard rail at a poor spot still gone over that thing....

everyone has their time to go... it's tragic and unfortunate but reality.

[GordoN]

knew one of the kids, and a lot of my friends were close to him, sad sad day....

[jefferson88]

^ you know that you can die pretty easily even @ 50km/hr...
they could have been doing 20km/hr and maybe by some event of bad luck hit the guard rail at a poor spot still gone over that thing....

everyone has their time to go... it's tragic and unfortunate but reality.

I don't remember the stat exactly but for every increase by 10kmh your chances of being seriously injured or killed increase exponentially. Yes you could die in a 50kmh crash but the chances are slim... and 50kmh into a guard rail wouldn't even dent the rail.

....and you can't say the type of car doesn't matter because you're far less likely to spank it in a 88 Fiesta than a S4.

[m5racer]

the survivor wenreality is i heard they were drinking alachol at lunch time. Dont mix drinking and driving

[02B6]

The place of the accident is minutes from my cottage.
i know the road quite well, as with the bridge. They were supposedely at Lake Joesph Club, where they had a buddy feeding them with drinks. They then were becoming to "rowdy" and got booted.

[MagnusS4]

....and you can't say the type of car doesn't matter because you're far less likely to spank it in a 88 Fiesta than a S4.

SURE... i guess if you give a young kid a porshce, the chances of some "spirited" driving will most likely increase. I'm still young, and the majority of ppl here have all been young and dumb at some point in our lives... if they wanted to drive fast it would have happened one way or another regardless of the vehicle. it's not like 1992 Honda civic can't hit 140km/hr. it's pretty simple: being in a party mood + Friends + Car = Trouble and if you add in other things such as alcohol and speed your just askin for it

[Tanner]

The place of the accident is minutes from my cottage.
i know the road quite well, as with the bridge. They were supposedely at Lake Joesph Club, where they had a buddy feeding them with drinks. They then were becoming to "rowdy" and got booted.

Brings up an interesting question, what are the legal responsibilities of that establishment on handling drunk customers? Or is there such a thing here in Ontario?

[02B6]

im thinking possible lawsuit. better yet, most likely.

[zachf88]

just because there are these young kids with powerful cars killing themselves and/or others doesn't mean that all kids at that age are alike! It's like saying all black people are stupid and poor, that jewish people are cheap, bastards that stab you in the back, etc.. Mature people between the ages of 20 to 28 DO exist!! You only hear about these dumbass 20 year olds in the media because of their stupid, catastrophic actions that lead to death (Hey, better for us anyway - Darwinism: Survival of the fittest!). Just because A 20 year old was driving at a high rate of speed while intoxicated doesn't mean that all 20 year olds are the same. So, please stop saying that all 20 year olds are immature, immortal-thinkers, drunk drivers, and irresponsible!


For the record, I'm not implying or saying that black people are stupid and poor, and that jewish people are cheap, bastards that stab you in the back - I'm just using these common stereotypes to provide an example.

Definition of a Stereotype: A stereotype is a simplified and/or standardized conception or image with specific meaning, often held in common by people about another group. A stereotype can be a conventional and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image, based on the assumption that there are attributes that members of the other group hold in common. Stereotypes are sometimes formed by a previous illusory correlation, a false association between two variables that are loosely if at all correlated.

[jefferson88]

There was a young girl who was paralyzed by a drunk driver who tried to sue a couple whose Christmas party the drunk had come from. Supreme court tossed it. LLBO bars can be liable for over serving if it can be proved....

[Tanner]

But that was a family party, not an establishment or their employer, which is a huge difference i think.....

[kelticslob]

....and you can't say the type of car doesn't matter because you're far less likely to spank it in a 88 Fiesta than a S4.

Wrong. I did a lot of stupid shit in my 87 CRX. Nothing like what I would do in my audi. The car does NOT matter.

[MagnusS4]

just because there are these young kids with powerful cars killing themselves and/or others doesn't mean that all kids at that age are alike! It's like saying all black people are stupid and poor, that jewish people are cheap, bastards that stab you in the back, etc.. Mature people between the ages of 20 to 28 DO exist!! You only hear about these dumbass 20 year olds in the media because of their stupid, catastrophic actions that lead to death (Hey, better for us anyway - Darwinism: Survival of the fittest!). Just because A 20 year old was driving at a high rate of speed while intoxicated doesn't mean that all 20 year olds are the same. So, please stop saying that all 20 year olds are immature, immortal-thinkers, drunk drivers, and irresponsible!

Tell this to the insurence companies, they seem to disagree

[buck]

Wrong. I did a lot of stupid shit in my 87 CRX. Nothing like what I would do in my audi. The car does NOT matter.

I'm with jefferson88, you can do stupid shit in any car, speed in almost any car, but the speed potential is far different in a more powerful car. Speed kills, cars that are more powerful can attain greater speeds faster, increasing probability of speed related fatalities.

It's always a shame to hear about these tragic stories. Seems that when a group of younger people are in a car as compared to older folks, they are more likely to want to 'show-off' their 'expert driving abilities' to their friends. Doesn't happen as much with older folks. Seems the older folks are a little more responsible. It's not a stereo-type, it's more of a fact that younger drivers are more prone to tragic accidents strewn by 'showing-off' to their buddies.

[Tanner]

Unfortunately the ones in the 16-20 age group does have the highest accident rate compared to the other age groups. While those in this age group may think they are good drivers, they just don't have the experience. And throw in some irresponsibility due to peer pressure from other friends in the same car and/or alcohol, the whole notion of a "responsible driver" gets thrown out the window. You hear it too many times in the news, parents and friends comment that "xxxxxx was a responsible driver and cared for people" and they end up doing something stupid.

I tried to look up the stats for Canada, but I imagine it's very similar to that of the US.

I think for us, we just look at this as "wtf is a 20 year old kid doing with an S4?" Or replace that "S4" with an AMG or M3..... and hence we sorta draw attention to the question of why he was driving an S4 and that the S4 had something to do with the accident when the same result could have happened if he was driving some ford family car.

[McLaren]

Looks like they had 15 tickets between the 3 of them.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/456916

[kelticslob]

Hmmm, ask me if I give a fuck about that guy now ^^^

"On July 26, 2006, he was convicted of speeding at 127 km/h in an 80 km/h zone." If anyone here knows any traffic cops personally, you know that giving a ticket for 47kmh over the limit means the cop didn't feel like doing the paperwork for confiscating the guys car on the 50kmh-over-the-limit rule. It seriously takes hours.

[MagnusS4]

Looks like they didn't learn the first 15 times and had to pay the ultimate price

[drmarcj]

OK since I'm a parent, and feeling a bit worked up about this, I will now be the Monday morning quarterback and say: how many times does your child need to get a ticket before you take away the keys to the 300 HP turbocharged-for-Jesus, $50,000 sports car?

Like my own parents used to say, it's just not your own kid you worry about - it's everyone else's kid.

[hotgo]

Hmmm, ask me if I give a fuck about that guy now ^^^

"On July 26, 2006, he was convicted of speeding at 127 km/h in an 80 km/h zone." If anyone here knows any traffic cops personally, you know that giving a ticket for 47kmh over the limit means the cop didn't feel like doing the paperwork for confiscating the guys car on the 50kmh-over-the-limit rule. It seriously takes hours.

Well, he may have been clocked @ more than 50km/h over, but this was in 2006... well before the current "seize car for 7 day" law came into effect.

I agree though, this sounds like they lived a little too close to the edge quite regularly... I suppose it was inevitable. At least they didn't take out any innocent folks in a second vehicle.

[MagnusS4]

how does one afford insurence with 5-8 traffic violations within 5 years to their name?