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    Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

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    OK long story short a couple weeks ago I bought a 1996 Audi A4 2.8L Auto. It needed a little work (ok a lot) so I got it for a good price but this is never ending.
    Some of the issues it had/has slipping tranny, oil leaks, ps fluid leaks, sputtering, bad idle, CEL on, torn CV boots, broken sunroof, missing misc trim, etc. So here is what I did so far:

    1 - Tranny was slipping and before replacing it I decided to flush the fluid/change the filter/gasket/clean pan. Well it turns out it was almost 3qt low on tranny fluid. Put new fluid in and it seems to work better for now, we shall see how long it lasts.
    2 - Fixed the torn CV boots
    3 - Replaced the sunroof and misc trim
    4 - To fix the bad idle I cleaned the ICV, tested it too it came out good, cleaned the TB, did the phone cord trick to the TB rubber seal, replaced all the vacuum lines, nothing still has a bad idle its not too bad but annoying going from 500-800 rpm
    5 - Seafoamed it, changed the oil, the oil filter, air filter, cabin filter, new spark plugs, new spark plug wires, new coolant sensor, new oil pan gasket, cleaned the pick up, new valve cover gaskets, new battery. Result ... nothing still has no power and idles like crap.
    Now today it really went bad it started to sputtering at idle and when I take off.
    What could be wrong with it?

    Oh I did a compression check to make sure no blown headgasket or bent vales, it came back 165-170psi on all 6 so engine seems to be in good shape. And the CEL keeps coming back as misfire on cylinders 3&5.

    I'm thinking to tackle the fuel system next, like fuel filter, injectors and fuel pump but I'm getting tired of working on it and spending all this time and money. Any suggestions? Thank you.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    If you want an honest reponse, I don't know for how much you got that car for but you should fix it up (DIY problems of course) resell it and make your money back. It has consistent compression, so the cylinder are good. As for your misfires, when that happens to the 1.8 either bad coil pack or spark plugs (not gapped right or just no good) are the usual culprit.

    Fix up as much as you can (DIY of course), resell and get a reliable 1.8t . I had mine for maybe a half a year. Of course I did maintanance to get her to full specs (valve stem leaks, bad wheel bearing, alternator, MAF, 02 sensors, new tires) then went into modding . You really should not allow a car to cause you so much trouble in the first couple of weeks of owning. But of course, if you had a 1.8t I would not even be giving you this advice .

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Why do you say that? Do you really think the car is hopeless? Its not my first Audi to give me problems, I don't know whats with me and Audis. I've de-sludged an 1.8T before so this cant be as bad.
    Back on subject I can sell the car right now and get my money back but I bought it as daily for my gf. She had one before (newer and nicer) and wanted another one. I would like to fix it if possible. Because of the compression check i feel the engine is in good shape and its something stupid I'm overlooking.
    Oh i just installed new plugs (bosch FR7LDC+) and wires today so its got to be something else.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    I don't think the car is hopeless. Anything can really be done, corrected, or made better. It all depends on your know about, how deep your pockets are, and your patience. I was really just funnin about the 2.8 thing, but not really. But the comment was said with all seriousness on the matter of the headache it seems to be causing you within the first couple weeks of ownership. In my state, that car is called an offical 'Lemon'. But you knew that at time of purchase, so it does not count. If you feel you can get the car running and of course feel you will be content with it for a while, then by all means get that sucker running. If not, then resell it, make your money back, and don't buy a burden.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    i didnt know the 1.8t to be reliable? Especially with all the vaccuummm lines that tend to get ripped
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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Well obviously i would like to spend as little as possible so its still a good deal otherwise i could've bought a well maintained car without any problems. Its obvious this one was neglected for a while. With that said what else do you suggest i check/test/replace.
    I'm going to do the fuel filter soon might as well since I'm sure it needs to be done. Also sometimes get the rotten eggs smell from the cats. Could the cats be clogged? Ive never had a car do that but theres always a fist. The car has 116k on it.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Quote Originally Posted by UN-PIMP-Z-A4 View Post
    i didnt know the 1.8t to be reliable? Especially with all the vaccuummm lines that tend to get ripped
    Never said the 1.8 is reliable. I said get a reliable 1.8. Difference. And the ripped hoses would depend more on how you drive and road conditions I would assume.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    ha-ha come on guys 1.8/2.8 who cares. Ive had two 1.8Ts before but this one showed up for the right price at the right time thats all. Now help me get it running perfect

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    I am no mechanic nor am knowledgable about cars. I just know what I know. You could always VAG Com your car or go to Autozone if you don't have access to one and use thier OBD II scanner to pull codes. Then go here and look up the codes. They tell you what is the "possible" cause(s) of your problem and "possible" solutions.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Quote Originally Posted by dan4g63 View Post
    Why do you say that? Do you really think the car is hopeless? Its not my first Audi to give me problems, I don't know whats with me and Audis. I've de-sludged an 1.8T before so this cant be as bad.
    Back on subject I can sell the car right now and get my money back but I bought it as daily for my gf. She had one before (newer and nicer) and wanted another one. I would like to fix it if possible. Because of the compression check i feel the engine is in good shape and its something stupid I'm overlooking.
    Oh i just installed new plugs (bosch FR7LDC+) and wires today so its got to be something else.
    Are you sure those are the proper plugs? I know those are what is required for the AEB 1.8T motor, but I'm not so sure those are correct for the 2.8.

    Look into it, that could be your issue right there.
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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    ^He is correct. You need Bosch F7LTCR plugs. Those are used on both 1.8 and 2.8, yet the part number is incorrect (bosch FR7LDC+). If the place you got your plugs from does not have those in stock, try NGK BKR6E gapped at .032" (that is what many use for thier 1.8).

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    From my understanding the Bosch F7LTCR have been replaced by the FR7LDC
    It shouldnt matter as the car is running just as bad with the new plugs as it did with the originals so i dont think its the spark plugs.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Old plug part #F7LDCR has been supersceded to new Bosch #FR7LDC+
    Quoted from ECS. Don't know how much of a difference that one letter will make in the performance, but when it comes to parts it usually makes a big one. Best bet is to sleep it off and not let it bother you too much. Then tommorow go get your car scanned. Cear any codes that may have gotten remedied from your most recent maintance jobs then get your current codes. And look under Ross Tech to see what steps they advise. I placed a link in the other post.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    The FR7LDC has superseded the older F7LTCR. I wasn't aware that the AEB 1.8T and the 12V V6 used the same plugs, if that is the case then he is using the correct plugs.

    The new plugs are two electrode compared to the old ones that were three electrode, not sure what difference this makes however, when I replaced my plugs a few weeks ago, the idle was much smoother. But then again, the old plugs had about 38-40k miles on them.
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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    According to 12v.org the OEM spark plugs for the 12V are:
    Bosch F6DTC
    NGK BKUR6ET-10
    Most if not all places that sell the Bosch F6DTC show the Bosch FR7LDC as the replacement.
    I could hunt down the OEM plugs but i really don't think thats my issue here.
    Does anyone know how I can check the ignition coil packs?

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Vag com your car (plus it will tell you all other codes you have) to see which cylinders are misfiring. Take a coil pack from a cylinder that is not misfiring and swap it into the one that misfires. If the misfires switch to the other cylinders, it is def the coil pack. But you need to go and get your car scanned.

    And I run with the Bosch F6DTC. It is one colder than OEM plugs. But I am flashed. OEM is "Bosch F7LTCR - Replaced by the FR7LDC". 12v content:Link.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    I got the codes checked by the AutoZone when i first got the car and came back as misfires in 3&5. Cleared them and a week later they came back. Erased them again and they have been off for the last week. Yesterday something went wrong because the car sputters worse then before but no CEL so far. Is there a way i can test the coil packs with a multimeter?

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    I would not know.

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    have you tried unplugging your egr valve? i've seen this cause issues on a 12v v6.

    and NO, a slightly different plug isn't going to cause the issues you are describing

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Well I looked at the ignition coil packs and cylinders 3&5 are on the same coil so I'm starting to have hope again.
    As far as the EGR what do i unplug? the vacuum hoses? any links to more info?
    thank you

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    bump, having what seems like the same issue


    16686 - Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
    P0302 - 77-00 - Internal Supply Voltage
    16686 P0302 Cylinder #2 - Misfire Detected


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    16689 P0305 Cylinder #5 - Misfire Detected


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    16684 P0300 Random Misfire Detected - Any Cylinder

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    Re: Help me with my new Audi 96 A4 sputtering issues, bad idle, and no power ...

    Yes it was the coil pack/ignition coil.

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