BT options

[FLACO X3]

which turbo options can i do with little lag(similar to k03s) and stock internals? car is also a tiptronic. what power can i see from the K04? on another forum i heard that the K03s with proper tune and upgraded fuel system would make about the same power as the K04. is this true? I was thinking maybe the GTRS.

[Oricle]

I think there is a sticky explaining all this.

[gotaudi]

which turbo options can i do with little lag(similar to k03s) and stock internals? car is also a tiptronic. what power can i see from the K04? on another forum i heard that the K03s with proper tune and upgraded fuel system would make about the same power as the K04. is this true? I was thinking maybe the GTRS.

The Ko3 sport is very similar to flowing to a Ko4. The reason why the ko4 gets much more HP is because the tune/fueling. If you are looking for the Ko3 spool, Ko4 is the only other that would give you that. But again it is not how fast it spools. for example my friend has a GTI with a ko4 and all the rest of the goodies. we will do a 5mph roll and we will be head to head in lower gear, also it is the same for any gear. The gtrs is just as fast as a ko4 down below but up top it absolutely kills the Ko4.

[pipe7284]

go GTRS

[FLACO X3]

okay thanks, i think i'll go GTRS eventually then. What supporting mods should i get(exhaust, IC, ect.)? If i get the Borla with ATP test pipe, can i use it with the bigger turbo?

[Seerlah]

Having a tip really does not mean much. There is an individual on here whom has a GT2871r eliminator kit with a tip tranny. But he also swapped internals. Then there is another individual whom has a T28 and tip. You can run a GTRS safetly without changing internals. You could also do the full turbo kit and not the eliminator. A 2.5" exhaust is the minimum to use. Many just go 3" custom.

GTRS

This is the elim version of the GT28RS. You can use pretty much any 440cc tune. I would recommend Unitronics and CTapp above all the others. You will need 440cc Injectors (I would advise Seimans, and Delphi over the greentops, Genesis 430 will work too), VR6 MAF, AFPR, MBC, Exhaust, FMIC, and TIP. A new manifold and dp are not required, but will help the turbo breath much better and produce more power.

GT28RS
Finally we get into the "real" turbo's. This is the turbo you want to go with if you don't want to swap internals and you want minimal lag but still want nice power. You will need Tuning (Uni/CTapp (see a pattern forming), if you have a b6- REVO), Exhaust Manifold, Custom Intake, VR6/Ford Lightning MAF, 440cc/630cc Injectors, AFPR, MBC/EBC, Exhaust, FMIC, Clutch, and New Mounts.

GT71R

The elim version of the GT2871R. Has the 71mm compressor wheel found in the 2871r but a smaller turbine wheel and uses the stock k03 flange. You will need the turbo, oil lines, exhaust, Tuning (Uni/CTapp), 440cc Injectors, VR6 MAF, AFPR, MBC, Exhaust, FMIC, Walbro 255, Clutch (stg 3 or higher), and TIP. I wouldn't even run this turbo on the stock manifold, even tho you technically could, its gona really choke it.

GT2871r
Now we're talkin serious power. You have pretty much 2 options. The .63/.64 A/R or the .82/.86 A/R. The .63 and .82 are T3 flanged, and the .64 and .86 are T25 flange. T3 flows better. With the .82 you will have more lag, but more topend power. You also will not have to swap out rods. With the .63 you will have much faster spool (20+psi before 4k), but you will have to swap out rods. You will need Tuning, Exhaust Manifold, Custom Intake, VR6/Ford Lightning MAF, 440cc/630cc Injectors, AFPR, MBC/EBC, Exhaust, FMIC, Clutch, New Mounts, and Walbro 255. (new fuel filter at the same time is a good idea).

[gmx]

im pretty much fed up with that info.

You will need bla bla..... well recommend some manufacturers/models to chase after?

Which manifold??

Is there anywhere with an explanation on all this flange shit.

[gotaudi]

im pretty much fed up with that info.

You will need bla bla..... well recommend some manufacturers/models to chase after?

Which manifold??

Is there anywhere with an explanation on all this flange shit.

well, go look on http://www.034motorsport.com/ and anything on their will be great if you want a big turbo. All the manufactures on their will be of high quality. Also they know what they are doing there. Their are other places to get this stuff from but this is one of the higher quality places to get things. Do some research on turbos and ask a bunch of questions. That is how you learn...

[gmx]

yes ive seen the 034 website and kits/hardware there. Im asking for more options.

At this stage, I've calculated just for parts it will cost me $5500-6000 not to mention heavy delivery from the USA. This is everything, afpr, injectors, fmic, 3" exhaust components (to turbo), the turbo itself, 034 top mt. manifold, rods

Is this worth it? Hell no, I can get exchange with an S4 for twice as much and 5 times better result.

This is why I'm looking for more options and better detailed explanations (for eg the Engine building thread, but I'm not going into engine building etc). I've been reading that same stupid paragraph 100s of times over the last 2 months.

I sink 6k (not inc labor and potential headaches) into the engine that results in nice power, cool. Still my suspension shocks/spring(even though its GP edition, I dont know if USA got that, basically the red T), suspension geometry, interior, general aesthetics, brake package is far inferior to a S4. And the cost of that (havnt done any spreadsheets on it yet) will ECLIPSE (edit) a base S4 with far more potential (yes, yes for problems too I understand).


Forgot to add, we can't use American ECUs, they just don't work (Ive only seen it done with the PES Scharger on a 2.8 here which I say is LUCK). So we must go standalone, say hello to another $2000 + tuning/dyno time.

[Seerlah]

Search. For manifold you have options. And it depends if your turbo will need a t25 or t3 flange. That is basically the size of the opening to the turbo. Depending what you wantt, you can get different flanges. That is why you have to search what you want first, then look for parts. Not the same set ups use the same parts. As far as manifolds go, you have to search. There is ATP, 034, APR, SPA, Full race, etc. There are so many out there, you have to decide for yourself. As for FMIC, same principle applies. There is Greddy, ER, EM, APR, Forge, and so forth. For injectors, people seem to say that Siemens is the best, so stay with those. For MBC/EBC the turboxs is one of the best mbc, and for the ebc go with the greddy profec spec II (pricey). With the mbc, get the ball and spring bleeder type. As for TIP, you once again have options. Neuspeed, APR, and so forth. For clutch, stay with Southbend. But you have options at what stage to get. For GTRS, get at least a stage 3. GT2871r, you could slide with a stage 3, but would be better to get a stage 4. For BAT get the stage 5. And the tune is something that you would have to search on your own. There are many good tunes and people have ther preferances. GIAC, REVO, Unitronics, CTapp, APR, ASP, custom tunes, etc. That is why people say search all the time. People's set ups are not the same, so you have to decide what you want and search.

[gmx]

T25/T3 flange understood. But what about the cat/dp side? vband or something??

APR is out of the Q, the dont sell it direct.

I've pretty much settled on 034 last week. Due to the others having some shady info with fitment and not so popular in general. ATP seems to be junk and most ppl chuck them away/sell them.

I made a decision if I go full turbo and not elim, I would go top mount. I believe using a TIP for a stock mount is dumb, with all that restriction your still killing potential hp.
With a top mount obviously placement of the turbo changes, does this require custom dp/cat section... who sells them... I'm betting it's custom, if it is that's a bummer. 034's site has vague info on this.

I already got a stage 4 clutch/fly going in/ordered, so that's 1 problem less.

Forgot to add, The 5spd is terrible on the hwy. 2800+ rpm @ 110km/h. Lucky I don't do much hwy here. Too damn attached to the car.

[Seerlah]

If you decided to go with 034, then you should give them a call and speak to a rep. They will give you better advice than I ever can on what you are looking for. They are advertisers on here. Here is a link to one of thier representatives homepage. You should maybe PM, IM (AIM), or email him unless you want to call them direct.

[pipe7284]

pm Isaam or Mike Hood, both of them can help you get the parts you need. I`m pretty sure more members can help you out. I personally dealt with Issam and Mike, both are great persons.

Issam: Issam@034

Mike Hood: mike-2ptzero

[njm23]

^^ second that but, depending on who you decide to go with, 034 has said they are coming out with 400+hp kits using the SPA manifold, which should include that custom dp ect.. Fell Race also does a setup for like $3000 for the turbo/mani/WG/DP. either way Issam or Mike Hood is who you want to talk to.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Hello

[FLACO X3]

Hello

i cant find the GTRS elim on the site

[Seerlah]

There is a group buy going on if that is the set up you wanted. I thought you abandoned your own thread. LOL. Anyways, check the link. You should also PM Isaam to inquire about this buy. It is a good deal. Seems it comes with everything you would need including tune. Unitronics FTW. But there are a few things that you will also need not included in the package. At least a stage 3 clutch, motor mounts, tranny mounts, ebc, afpr, custom intake and custom exhaust (unless you already have). That should be about it. Isaam should help you out in that department though .

[317ssayzarc]

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[FLACO X3]

i feel rushed
i want to max out the k03s first, then go bigger turbo. i just wanted to know what im getting myself into before hand. would i see additional gains by upgrading the rods and cams?

[Seerlah]

I don't know about the rods and cams too much, but you are looking at the eliminator sets which are geared to run safetly on your engine. The rods in our cars are good to 400chp and the pistons are good to 600chp. If you just want to get the GTRS, you will be ok as that is a 350chp turbo. The GT2871r(that is option on that group buy) is for 400chp. That is when at least changing rods comes into play. But people like to do pistons at the same time because it would be a waste of labor whether you are paying for it or doing it yourself to not do the pistons at the same time. I don't know about gains, but if you swap rods you would be permitted to run higher boost. Which in turn means higher HP. Basically, that will allow you to use the turbo to what it was created for. Boost.

And don't feel rushed man. I am not going BT till maybe 2 years or so. Many on this forum do not go BT till years later. I will be another one if all goes well. I figure just do it once and not worry. People tend to go BT and want to go bigger. 2 years should be enough time for me to save up for what I want to do to my car.

[Wizard-of-OD]

i feel rushed
i want to max out the k03s first, then go bigger turbo. i just wanted to know what im getting myself into before hand. would i see additional gains by upgrading the rods and cams?

Gains from rods?NO...your upgrading the rods more for secuirty beyond 300Awhp.

As for cams,yes you will see gains.The bigger the turbo the more beneficial the camshaft.

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

worrying about maxing power but yet running a tip? (it can be done and other have stage 3 tips but still...)
others talk about maxing out the k03 (sounds like a waste of money.)

It's not my car or funds, so have fun and good luck in your endeavors...

[slammeDUB]

just do scat drop in rods like me, and do a 3071r and make some power i don't think youll be happy with th epower a k04 is going to make...at least i wouldn't spending a lot of change and not liking it

[maxspeed]

my GT2556r spools almost on par with my k03, but blows the top end away

[dualaudi]

I went the stock chip to k04 to gtrs, and I can say You would probably be happy going from stock to GTRS...

That being said, now that I have a GTRS, i want a gt3071r, but am dreading dealing with upgrading RODS and custom exhaust / down pipe. so I may go GT71r (elim) and gamble that my rods will hang for a bit longer.

If I can piece together the 3071r with supporting mods for less than a kit at a reputable place i'll def go that route (close to 400whp) is where i want to be... and that's probably because i've been on the lower spectrum of power for all of my upgrades.

Keep an eye out for some used GTRS turbo's in the classifieds, mine will prob be there in another week or so... (pulling this weekend) you can prob get one under 1k vs. NEW at $1500 i think.. that money you save could be put toward your $800+ programming.