AWE Tuning GT28R Turbo Kit

[Monkey77]

Deciding to dump the K04 and go with the GT28R. Only worries I have is if the internals can handle it, since I am at 101k. Can I have any chimes in on this. Should I enjoy the the K04 since the engine has kinda high mileage, or can it handle a lil more power?

[Papachristou]

why not gtrs or gt28rs?, they have much smoother power bands. the gt28r kit is known for a vicious torque spike which is what isnt healthy for the engine, not the overall power of the kit

you can always do a compression and leak down test to see if its healthy before going BT...

[A4ringedONE8T]

It can take more, I would refresh it a bit. New timing belt if you havent done so already. New bearings and rings wouldnt hurt, put some IE drop in rods in the bottom end while you there, then your set for whatever power/turbo kit you pretty much want! You could also just do a compression and leakdown test and verify everything is in working order, that may be cheaper

EDIT, ^ beat me to it

[pondside36]

I'm in the same boat.. on the fence with this hole GT28R kit or an eliminator kit... damn to many choices

[Monkey77]

why not gtrs or gt28rs?, they have much smoother power bands. the gt28r kit is known for a vicious torque spike which is what isnt healthy for the engine, not the overall power of the kit

you can always do a compression and leak down test to see if its healthy before going BT...

What are some reputable kits for the Gtrs/gt28rs, besides the apr? This would be my first BT, and since my car is daily driver for now, I want everything to be as precise as possible. thanks for the input. Would you rec, the dealer do the comp/leak test or my local tuning shop? Hard to find a worthwhile shop nowadays.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I'm in the same boat.. on the fence with this hole GT28R kit or an eliminator kit... damn to many choices

Elim, Go big (for what your considering) or go home!

[A4ringedONE8T]

What are some reputable kits for the Gtrs/gt28rs, besides the apr? This would be my first BT, and since my car is daily driver for now, I want everything to be as precise as possible. thanks for the input. Would you rec, the dealer do the comp/leak test or my local tuning shop? Hard to find a worthwhile shop nowadays.

GTRS or 71R Elim would be the most simple. You can also do an ATP manifold with a full sized 28RS or even a 30 series, or you can go for a Full Race tubular setup with a 30 series.

[pondside36]

SPP has a GT28rs hardware kit... then its pick up fueling, manifold, and software

[Monkey77]

I'd like a kit that has everything included ideally, instead of outsourcing all the other components. I only have x amount of money to work with. Want more power but it's gotta be reasonable. although 320 plus hp would be fantastic! lol

[A4ringedONE8T]

SPP has a GT28rs hardware kit... then its pick up fueling, manifold, and software

Anyone that sells ATP can get the GTRS/71R Elim hardware kits

[A4ringedONE8T]

I'd like a kit that has everything included ideally, instead of outsourcing all the other components. I only have x amount of money to work with. Want more power but it's gotta be reasonable. although 320 plus hp would be fantastic! lol

For 320whp, your going to need either a GTRS/71R on race gas (100+ octane) or a 3071R or 3076R on pump gas

[pondside36]

Does your shop put these kits together for purchase or only if we were in FL?

[Monkey77]

So what would be a good affordable BT kit for someone with a limited budget? I already have the FMIC on standby, so that won't be an issue.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

AWE's GT28r turbo is not a big turbo, your car will be fine with the little extra power you will get over your K04, not worth the money in my opinion though if you are gonna spend $3700 you could make more power than an additional 30whp over your K04.

[Monkey77]

AWE's GT28r turbo is not a big turbo, your car will be fine with the little extra power you will get over your K04, not worth the money in my opinion though if you are gonna spend $3700 you could make more power than an additional 30whp over your K04.

Any recommendations as what kits to get? Any that are under 4 grand for a full kit would be awesome.
thanks Dave.


joe

[AudiA4Turbo22]

why not this??

http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=504

[Monkey77]

Isn't the gtrs the same as the gt28r, except for the exhaust manifold port?
HP seems to be about the same with the two kits, except eurotuning is almost a grand cheaper than AWE. hmmmmmmmmm

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Any recommendations as what kits to get? Any that are under 4 grand for a full kit would be awesome.
thanks Dave.


joe

It depends what you want, the kit is a nice kit but there isnt gonna be a huge difference between the K04, definitely a noticeable difference but not big. This turbo is between a K04 and the GTRS or would be comparable to the GT2X which never seemed to take off (it's not a ball bearing turbo either which was part of the downfall of it).

Power levels on race gas with the GT28r are gonna be comparable to the GTRS on pump gas (the lower level of pump dyno on GTRS will be equal to a higher level race gas run with the GT28r).

The GTRS kit is much cheaper at $2700 + $270 for turbo intake pipe =$2970 from Eurocode click here

The ATP manifold is a piece of shit for the GTRS though. You don't have to run it though, you can use your stock manifold (what this kit was designed around) but you will lose a little top end power (roughly 8-10whp would be a guess). They have came out with an updated manifold but I don't know if it is actually better since it hasnt been ran long enough for someone to have it fail, but I have cracked my original and just recently had a little crack in my replacement manifold. They are warrantied but it's a pain to have to change it out if/when it does crack.

Other than the GTRS or 71r option (upgraded larger compressor wheel). There arent any kits in the same price range. You have ATP and APR but they are both over $5000.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Isn't the gtrs the same as the gt28r, except for the exhaust manifold port?
HP seems to be about the same with the two kits, except eurotuning is almost a grand cheaper than AWE. hmmmmmmmmm

Like I said in my last post the GT28r on RACE GAS is comparable to the GTRS on PUMP GAS.

The GTRS is a custom K03 flanged exhaust housing (aka turbine housing) and it has a GT28r compressor housing that has been machined to be larger inside to fit a GT28RS compressor wheel (larger than a GT28r).

So the GTRS has the same center cartridge as a GT28RS (like what the APR 3+ or ASP kit turbo is) but it has been crammed into a smaller housing (not as good flowing compressor housing with a smaller inlet) and is in a custom exhaust housing with a small exhaust inlet and smaller overall housing (less flowing) than the Gt28RS turbo.

[pondside36]

This is good info right here.. hmmm missing from the sticky on turbos..

[Monkey77]

Like I said in my last post the GT28r on RACE GAS is comparable to the GTRS on PUMP GAS.

The GTRS is a custom K03 flanged exhaust housing (aka turbine housing) and it has a GT28r compressor housing that has been machined to be larger inside to fit a GT28RS compressor wheel (larger than a GT28r).

So the GTRS has the same center cartridge as a GT28RS (like what the APR 3+ or ASP kit turbo is) but it has been crammed into a smaller housing (not as good flowing compressor housing with a smaller inlet) and is in a custom exhaust housing with a small exhaust inlet and smaller overall housing (less flowing) than the Gt28RS turbo.

hmmm. Awesome Info Dave. So do you think the GTRS is a good choice for what I'd like to do without an engine rebuild just yet? It seems like a good turbo kit for the price and everything seems plug and play. I spoke with the guys at ECode and they said it keep the stock MAF, I'd just have to get my GIAC deleted and flashed with the REVO as well as gettin a new fuel kit to the 550 cc injectors. Any other info your willing to share?

thanks dude

joe

[A4 TSCHUSS]

hmmm. Awesome Info Dave. So do you think the GTRS is a good choice for what I'd like to do without an engine rebuild just yet? It seems like a good turbo kit for the price and everything seems plug and play. I spoke with the guys at ECode and they said it keep the stock MAF, I'd just have to get my GIAC deleted and flashed with the REVO as well as gettin a new fuel kit to the 550 cc injectors. Any other info your willing to share?

thanks dude

joe

You will be fine with the GTRS without an engine rebuild. I recently did a compression check on my car and only had 175, 160, 165, 160 for compression (perfect is in the 195 range) and my car still runs strong aka halls ass.

Yes you use your MAF (a good idea on it though is to bust out the honeycomb grills on each end to free up flow through it). I run the original 440cc injectors but I guess they are pushing the 550cc updated injectors (better spray pattern and overhead for not maxing injectors out)and file now.

The kit is pretty much plug and play, there may be little things you will want to do different than how it comes such as they will give you a short piece of hose and a barb fitting to extend your coolant feed. Instead myself and others just simply go get a longer hose from the autoparts store and install it instead so it is one solid hose (easy to do). Then unless they will put the settings at something more aggresive when they flash your computer, you will need to get the SPS 3 unit or newer Select Plus (which I dont like since its more difficult to use) so you can adjust your boost and timing up. The kit is shipped with either timing set at 1 or 2 out of a range of 9 and boost at 6 (18-20psi depending on how the wastegate actuator is set) out of range of 9. You should be able to run timing 4 or 5 in warm weather (85-90 degree) and possibly 6 in colder weather (below 60) as long as you have a good big intercooler and boost in the 20-22psi range.

Be sure to get the Neuspeed Xtreme intake pipe and the turbo adapter for it because the stock pipe is to small and weak.

[Monkey77]

You will be fine with the GTRS without an engine rebuild. I recently did a compression check on my car and only had 175, 160, 165, 160 for compression (perfect is in the 195 range) and my car still runs strong aka halls ass.

Yes you use your MAF (a good idea on it though is to bust out the honeycomb grills on each end to free up flow through it). I run the original 440cc injectors but I guess they are pushing the 550cc updated injectors (better spray pattern and overhead for not maxing injectors out)and file now.

The kit is pretty much plug and play, there may be little things you will want to do different than how it comes such as they will give you a short piece of hose and a barb fitting to extend your coolant feed. Instead myself and others just simply go get a longer hose from the autoparts store and install it instead so it is one solid hose (easy to do). Then unless they will put the settings at something more aggresive when they flash your computer, you will need to get the SPS 3 unit or newer Select Plus (which I dont like since its more difficult to use) so you can adjust your boost and timing up. The kit is shipped with either timing set at 1 or 2 out of a range of 9 and boost at 6 (18-20psi depending on how the wastegate actuator is set) out of range of 9. You should be able to run timing 4 or 5 in warm weather (85-90 degree) and possibly 6 in colder weather (below 60) as long as you have a good big intercooler and boost in the 20-22psi range.

Be sure to get the Neuspeed Xtreme intake pipe and the turbo adapter for it because the stock pipe is to small and weak.

Dave,

Ima have to hit you up with some questions when I get out of work. Boost and timing controlling is all new to me, so I'd need some more input on that.
thanks dude

[DELUX]

I still don't think the GT series is the answer for this motor. I've been actually looking into other types of turbos and the results are promising. Nonetheless, the work would be all custom.

[thebikedoctor33]

what kind of number have people been getting out of the ecode gtrs kit? on pump gas? i will eventually be looking for a kit that puts out anything around 250 to the wheels. would this be a viable option?

edit: now i feel stupid now that i read A4 TSCHUSS's sig. is your setup and exception or about the norm?

[7speed]

Deciding to dump the K04 and go with the GT28R. Only worries I have is if the internals can handle it, since I am at 101k. Can I have any chimes in on this. Should I enjoy the the K04 since the engine has kinda high mileage, or can it handle a lil more power?

Just save yourself the trouble and go with the eliminator. I initially went with the GT28R and wanted more power. I swapped out for GT71R in 4 months time.

[Monkey77]

Just save yourself the trouble and go with the eliminator. I initially went with the GT28R and wanted more power. I swapped out for GT71R in 4 months time.

Any issues with emissions with these BT kits? NJ Inspection is a bitch.
Remember I'm trying to avoid a motor rebuild unless I absolutely need to. So I need a kit that can deliver substantial gains and still be my daily car. So it is a tough call.

[Papachristou]

APR is fixing to have a sale on their kits, should be about $4700 and street legal ( i think they said it passes CA emissions with a HFC) but feel free to correct me if i heard that wrong somewhere

APR 3+ kits are supposedly dyno'ing around 300awhp +/-
their website says it makes 340chp 332c tq i believe.. perhaps some of that could be from ecode using a test pipe and better intercooler, i dont know

and there is no messing around with the kit, timing or boost(which some people like, others dont).. its pricey but its good stuff... decide whats right for you!

[mike-2ptzero]

Everyone here wants this, its what the big boys use




Monkey77 - skip the GT28r, its only good for 225whp on pump and 250whp on race gas tune. The Elims will give you 250whp on pump gas without breaking a sweat.

[Monkey77]

Everyone here wants this, its what the big boys use




Monkey77 - skip the GT28r, its only good for 225whp on pump and 250whp on race gas tune. The Elims will give you 250whp on pump gas without breaking a sweat.

whoa, now thats sexy!
even with the K04, I felt a lil more kick, but after awhile, it just felt lame, just under the 300 mark would be great. 290 or so.

[IceMole]

^ please someone make that for the B7

[A4 TSCHUSS]

what kind of number have people been getting out of the ecode gtrs kit? on pump gas? i will eventually be looking for a kit that puts out anything around 250 to the wheels. would this be a viable option?

edit: now i feel stupid now that i read A4 TSCHUSS's sig. is your setup and exception or about the norm?

That number is on race gas in my sig. The GTRS on 91 has dynoed at 246whp 258wtq with the stock manifold (not the ATP high flow) on the original file that came out in 05. The kit has dynoed 255 and 265 on 93 octane by other members. One member dynoed 249.5whp 261.5wtq on 92 octane 22psi and timing on 6 which is too high and he had to lose power due to timing pull so realistically he would have made 255whp

Then of course you have to remember when the dynos could have been done. Some may be in much colder weather than others and then some are on dynojets that read higher than mustangs.

[a4darkness]

I've been debating AWE's GT28R and the GTRS for some time now and concluded the GTRS is the way to go. To echo the replies above, it's less expensive, has more options for adjustment, produces more significant numbers and operates w/in the range of stock internals [if tuned accordingly].

[dougyfresh]

Not to add more confusion but I see the OP is from New Jersey.

Have you thought about calling ASP regarding helping them develop their 28RS kit?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205751

[a4darkness]

Always a good idea to stick w/a local tuner.