APR Stage 3 Owner’s Corral at Waterfest 14!

[Andy@APR]

APR Stage 3 Owner’s Corral at Waterfest 14!
APR is pleased announce our Stage 3 Owner’s Corral at Waterfest 14 at Raceway Park July 19th and 20th in Englishtown, NJ.

Owning an APR Stage 3 is an exclusive club that only those who demand the highest quality performance and drivability from their Audi or Volkswagen vehicle will enjoy. APR has recognized these elite members of the community by offering the first ever APR Stage 3 Owner’s Corral at this year’s Waterfest.
Whether you own an APR Stage 3 or Stage 3+ for your Audi or VW you are invited for VIP and premier show parking next to the APR booth at Waterfest 14 for both days, Saturday and Sunday!

Each Corral participant will also receive a limited edition Stage 3 Owner’s decal, goodie bag and commemorative gift to show off their love for their APR Stage 3 equipped Audi or VW.

Space is limited and unfortunately we can’t accommodate all Stage 3 owner’s who attend Waterfest so please visit http://www.goapr.com/form/survey.html to register and secure your spot today. The cost is only $45 and includes entry to Waterfest for both days.

[AAAA]

that'd be great if you made a stage 3 for the cars in this forum

[IceMole]

+1

[acidrome]

lol....X2

[viperdsa]

APR:

lol x3

[Glassnpowder98]

x4! Right when I saw the title of the thread I was like... "stage 3 B7 would be sick if it existed."

[Auditude2.0T]

I think they consider a K04 B7 with supporting mods Stage 3 and larger than k04 stage 3+. I guess my car is considered Stage 2+.

[groggy]

Which will be done first Stage 3 for the B7 or the supercharger for the 4.2? LOL.

[Sly Raskal]

that'd be great if you made a stage 3 for the cars in this forum

lolz

[SilverB7FL]

I think they consider a K04 B7 with supporting mods Stage 3 and larger than k04 stage 3+. I guess my car is considered Stage 2+.

yea well they don't even have the K04 available anymore. lol. APR needs to get on the ball and make our cars fast!!!

[minameismud]

that'd be great if you made a stage 3 for the cars in this forum

haha burn </kelso>

[Lewie06A4]

Haha similar topic on the vortex, and Keith@APR replied "There will be a B7 Stage 3 Owner at Waterfest this year! "

[I495 Bandit]

I have a stage 3+ for my Jetta and believe you me i've spent many nights contemplating on how to retro fit the kit to my B7. My Jetta will run circles around my B7 without even trying. APR needs to stop bullshiting and put something together for us. How hard is it to fab a few pipes and hoses from the transverse engine to fit ours longitudinal engine? We've been waiting more than 3 years now.

[Mike@APR]

I know of at least one B7 Stage 3 that will be at Waterfest this year :-)

For all of you guys who are salavating to get your hands on this kit, I hope you all follow through and buy the kit once it's released. You won't be disappointed.

[marty was here]

I know of at least one B7 Stage 3 that will be at Waterfest this year :-)

For all of you guys who are salavating to get your hands on this kit, I hope you all follow through and buy the kit once it's released. You won't be disappointed.

right....... so how can we participate if the kit isnt released?

ya make me laugh apr, u really really do

[Mike@APR]

right....... so how can we participate if the kit isnt released?

ya make me laugh apr, u really really do

Hey, I'm not the one who posted this in the B7 forum but I am sure it was an accident. Either way, you all are sure getting bent out of shape about this post. Hence the very reason why I said that I hope people who are salavating for more power actually step forward and buy the kit.

As far as your participation at Waterfest, stop by the booth and check out some of the cars...that's participation isn't it?

[AAAA]

Hey, I'm not the one who posted this in the B7 forum but I am sure it was an accident. Either way, you all are sure getting bent out of shape about this post. Hence the very reason why I said that I hope people who are salavating for more power actually step forward and buy the kit.

As far as your participation at Waterfest, stop by the booth and check out some of the cars...that's participation isn't it?

not in the "exclusive members only" corral. we've wanted to, but haven't gotten the opportunity. If it doesn't make you tons of money, you're not going to drop the kit and "no longer support it any longer" like you did the k04 that some of us spent 4300 on are you?

[marty was here]

not in the "exclusive members only" corral. we've wanted to, but haven't gotten the opportunity. If it doesn't make you tons of money, you're not going to drop the kit and "no longer support it any longer" like you did the k04 that some of us spent 4300 on are you?

oooo snap

ps im not bent outta shape

[Mike@APR]

not in the "exclusive members only" corral. we've wanted to, but haven't gotten the opportunity. If it doesn't make you tons of money, you're not going to drop the kit and "no longer support it any longer" like you did the k04 that some of us spent 4300 on are you?

Who told we don't support the original K04 any longer? We definitely don't sell it any longer, but who told you we don't support it? You put that in quotes like someone from APR said it and I know it wasn't me. We are not going to develop any more products around the original K04 turbo but that doesn't mean if you have an issue we won't help you through it.

Either way, we have the right to change our product line up at any time we choose like any other business. The K04 turbos we were purchasing for use on the B7 are simply not available any more so we had to go back, re-group, and come up with something else for the B7 customers that we can actually supply. It's not like we woke up one morning and said "How do we screw that guy AAAA on Audizine?" The turbos simply aren't available anymore so we had to come up with something else. It had nothing to with the money being made on the kit.

Furthermore, most people in the world are in business to make money. Since we have to spend money to develop a kit, that typically requires that we actually sell some to at least break even. So for a hypothetical example, if a product came out and sold two per year and had no way of even breaking even and it were your business, would you keep buying parts to support it and making new software, etc.? This has nothing to do with what happened to the K04 kit for the B7 but you act like we don't have to run a business here so I am just stating the obvious.

[pakratt99]

Mike, your missing the point. Someone came here and dropped a post on the B7 forums about the "member exclusive area" of Waterfest, yet none of us are able to join in this area no matter how much money we were willing to throw at APR. If it was an oversight then that's fine, or maybe Andy needs a lesson on your product line and its applications but most of us on here find it rude to invite people to join in something which we are unable to do not by our own choice but by lack of product line.

[Sly Raskal]

^^^ if anything, owners of the original B7 k04 kit should be allowed in.

[SilverB7FL]

I know of at least one B7 Stage 3 that will be at Waterfest this year :-)

For all of you guys who are salavating to get your hands on this kit, I hope you all follow through and buy the kit once it's released. You won't be disappointed.

When is it going to be released?????????????????!!!!!!!!!! I'm holding off possibly parting out and selling the car just for this kit. I NEED MORE POWER!!!

[Glassnpowder98]

So Mike, have you ripped Andy a new one yet??? Anyways, I understand if it was a mistake, but maybe an apology/acknowledgement is in order for the mistake? At least that is what it seems like some people here are looking for... Furthermore, I am still looking forward to your big announcement of a BT for the B7 at Waterfest. Maybe to make it up to us heartbroken B7 guys, you can possibly slip us some information about what we can expect. Also, maybe you can let potential buyers of the new BT into the "exclusive club" with a $5 down payment on the new turbo...

[Six Speed Turbo]

I know of at least one B7 Stage 3 that will be at Waterfest this year :-)

For all of you guys who are salavating to get your hands on this kit, I hope you all follow through and buy the kit once it's released. You won't be disappointed.

I would like a BTK, and truthfully at this point I "almost" don't care who makes it. I would just like to feel that the B7 is not forgotten. I have a couple more mods to buy just to support a BTK but I am getting my car ready. I just hope that the kit makes at least 400-420 CHP.

I am coming home from Iraq early next year. I hope by the time I get home someone is making a kit, if APR makes it then I will definitly buy one sooner then later. I like and prefer APR over other competiters (<--military endorsement) because I like the quality of product they put out and they have been good to me thus far (you're welcome) and I hope I will remain a faithfull customer.

[SilverB7FL]

yea I'm feeling the same way, I would like to stay APR but I'm getting very anxious and want the kit so bad I've been looking at other companies but noone is producing anything it seems. Stop focusing on the GTi's and A3's! They are lighter then us we need the power more then them and plus we won't be sitting at the tree spinning tires like them.

[Sly Raskal]

yea I'm feeling the same way, I would like to stay APR but I'm getting very anxious and want the kit so bad I've been looking at other companies but noone is producing anything it seems. Stop focusing on the GTi's and A3's! They are lighter then us we need the power more then them and plus we won't be sitting at the tree spinning tires like them.

Just wait till the A3 comes to the states with quattro, they'll have the last laugh then. :( Damn I love the A3, it'd be cool if my avant had a little brother.

[AAAA]

Who told we don't support the original K04 any longer? We definitely don't sell it any longer, but who told you we don't support it? You put that in quotes like someone from APR said it and I know it wasn't me. We are not going to develop any more products around the original K04 turbo but that doesn't mean if you have an issue we won't help you through it.

Either way, we have the right to change our product line up at any time we choose like any other business. The K04 turbos we were purchasing for use on the B7 are simply not available any more so we had to go back, re-group, and come up with something else for the B7 customers that we can actually supply. It's not like we woke up one morning and said "How do we screw that guy AAAA on Audizine?" The turbos simply aren't available anymore so we had to come up with something else. It had nothing to with the money being made on the kit.

Furthermore, most people in the world are in business to make money. Since we have to spend money to develop a kit, that typically requires that we actually sell some to at least break even. So for a hypothetical example, if a product came out and sold two per year and had no way of even breaking even and it were your business, would you keep buying parts to support it and making new software, etc.? This has nothing to do with what happened to the K04 kit for the B7 but you act like we don't have to run a business here so I am just stating the obvious.

i've had issues with my k04 since i got it. Tom and Keith know all about it. But the last time around a couple months ago when I tried to get Keith's help, when they figured they couldn't help me (and you all knew you hadn't taken care of me) and couldn't figure out a solution, Keith simply goes straight to "well we no longer sell the k04 kit, and so we actually don't support it any longer."

The funny thing is, Mike, that my issues with your software were that it wasn't running right, and that you never made a 93 file for my engine code. I've been running on 91oct since I got the kit and was promised that it would be made. This is when Keith decided to tell me you no longer support it and are not going to write one after all b/c I'm not on the "important list."

I thought I even had the 91 fuel pump "performance file," but it turns out when Tom researched it, I only had the fuel pump file for "around the parameters." This enraged me more. But back to the funny thing. I go back to NGP to get the 91 "performance file" and what do they pull up in their computer? a 93 oct perf file for the k04 for my engine code, the file Keith and Tom both said did not exist and would never exist b/c you no longer support the turbo. So when I quote something in a thread, rest assured I'm not making anything up. It's the pure, sad, pathetic truth. This is why I asked the questions I did. I'm willing to bet you have a k04 for the b7 laying around the shop somewhere, or even in one of your cars. So I'm sure if you had the time and it was worth the time to satisfy at least 1 customer, probably more, you would have written the file (when your people thought it didn't exist)

[marty was here]

let me guess theres a post from apr coming about how aaa should call one guy specifically

[Mike@APR]

let me guess theres a post from apr coming about how aaa should call one guy specifically

What?

Look, if AAAA has a problem, he can always call tech support. I don't know where this idea came from that we don't support products that we once sold. That's what I was asking about. You shouldn't have to call anyone specifically. I am not sure where AAAA got this idea and I don't think you are either so I would appreciate if you give us the benefit of the doubt since you have no data to back up what you are insinuating. It's really a shame when a passing comment becomes law when no one around has even asked for the comment to be substantiated. I was asking AAAA to substantiate his comment about the original K04 not being supported. I think you should let him answer the question and let me clear up the issue instead of continuing to portray what is not true. I don't think what I am saying here is anything more or less than fair.

[AAAA]

What?

Look, if AAAA has a problem, he can always call tech support. I don't know where this idea came from that we don't support products that we once sold. That's what I was asking about. You shouldn't have to call anyone specifically. I am not sure where AAAA got this idea and I don't think you are either so I would appreciate if you give us the benefit of the doubt since you have no data to back up what you are insinuating. It's really a shame when a passing comment becomes law when no one around has even asked for the comment to be substantiated. I was asking AAAA to substantiate his comment about the original K04 not being supported. I think you should let him answer the question and let me clear up the issue instead of continuing to portray what is not true. I don't think what I am saying here is anything more or less than fair.

did you completely miss my post before his? I substantiated everything I said. I called tech support after having heard that from keith, and I talked to Tom who took my logs and claimed they said I was spiking 21lbs when my boost gauge only said 18lbs, so he claimed my boost gauge must be bad and that's never an accurate reading for ANYONE to use (ooookay...). So when I finally do get flashed with right file (that didn't exist) I spike 23lbs. hmmmm....does this mean that my boost gauge is still fucked or is it your support? read my other post, it has all the specifics.

[Sly Raskal]

^^^ I think Mike@Apr and AAAA need to have a phone discussion to settle things. Or the people that AAAA called out in this thread call AAAA to rectify what happened. And if what he said isn't true, well then, either way, by calling out APR without going through enough channels to fix it is just immature and uncalled for. That's just my two-cents.

I mean AAAA could have messaged mike or the other APR members on here to figure out a solution if he was getting the run around from others at APR before he called them out. that's just another two cents.

No matter what, I think we should let's things cool down a bit in here, let mike@apr and AAAA deal with things on their own and not make it a public issue.

[AAAA]

^^^ I think Mike@Apr and AAAA need to have a phone discussion to settle things. Or the people that AAAA called out in this thread call AAAA to rectify what happened. And if what he said isn't true, well then, either way, by calling out APR without going through enough channels to fix it is just immature and uncalled for. That's just my two-cents.

I mean AAAA could have messaged mike or the other APR members on here to figure out a solution if he was getting the run around from others at APR before he called them out. that's just another two cents.

No matter what, I think we should let's things cool down a bit in here, let mike@apr and AAAA deal with things on their own and not make it a public issue.

if you knew what I've gone through with this car the past year, you'd realize this needs to happen. I've gone through all the channels, just not on audizine, it was on vortex. I have so many pms its not funny. I've had phone and email conversations with Andy, Tom, Keith, and god knows who else with no avail. I've been flashed with the wrong software more times than I can count, b/c of the wrong code, code not available, being told the software is something when its something else, etc. On paper (and internet) this company seems to have it together, but otherwise, they send you in all directions. This just proves the cliche floating around for a while now that once APR has your money, the customer service goes down the drain.

I wanted to point out in a thread such as this that this company doesn't care about individuals unless they're making money, or they are on that "special list" of people that nuthug the company and are given special treatment. Its about time this got out to the public. I feel shafted, which is a shame, b/c of all the money I've actually spent with the company. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, just getting the facts out, and the realization that I'll never GOAPR again after being treated like this.

[Sly Raskal]

if you knew what I've gone through with this car the past year, you'd realize this needs to happen. I've gone through all the channels, just not on audizine, it was on vortex. I have so many pms its not funny. I've had phone and email conversations with Andy, Tom, Keith, and god knows who else with no avail. I've been flashed with the wrong software more times than I can count, b/c of the wrong code, code not available, being told the software is something when its something else, etc. On paper (and internet) this company seems to have it together, but otherwise, they send you in all directions. This just proves the cliche floating around for a while now that once APR has your money, the customer service goes down the drain.

I wanted to point out in a thread such as this that this company doesn't care about individuals unless they're making money, or they are on that "special list" of people that nuthug the company and are given special treatment. Its about time this got out to the public. I feel shafted, which is a shame, b/c of all the money I've actually spent with the company. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, just getting the facts out, and the realization that I'll never GOAPR again after being treated like this.

Although I can't relate to your frustration because I haven't spent as much time or money as you have on your car, I do understand how frustrating it can be. I certainly wouldn't want the run around from any company either.

I sincerely hope that APR's support/customer service is as good as Mike makes it out to be as I have yet to deal with them (hoping to for mods), but at the same time, reviews and information like what you share sometimes do help to give potential customers a picture of what they may be in for. So there's good and there's bad about this heightened discussions. I'm simply trying to calm the mood down a bit in here, that's all.

I hope that both APR and yourself can work something out to amend this situation.

[marty was here]

What?

Look, if AAAA has a problem, he can always call tech support. I don't know where this idea came from that we don't support products that we once sold. That's what I was asking about. You shouldn't have to call anyone specifically. I am not sure where AAAA got this idea and I don't think you are either so I would appreciate if you give us the benefit of the doubt since you have no data to back up what you are insinuating. It's really a shame when a passing comment becomes law when no one around has even asked for the comment to be substantiated. I was asking AAAA to substantiate his comment about the original K04 not being supported. I think you should let him answer the question and let me clear up the issue instead of continuing to portray what is not true. I don't think what I am saying here is anything more or less than fair.

what i mean is, this chain of events always happens the same way

it also ends the same way, having the person complaining call a specific person at apr, to have the problems resolved. because, u know, it couldnt have happened through the proper channels

[SilverB7FL]

Just wait till the A3 comes to the states with quattro, they'll have the last laugh then. :( Damn I love the A3, it'd be cool if my avant had a little brother.

yea I would've gotten an A3 if it came in quattro. But for now its just us! We need the upgrades! lol

[Sly Raskal]

yea I would've gotten an A3 if it came in quattro. But for now its just us! We need the upgrades! lol

same here, I would have gladly bought an A3 2.0T 6psd if it came in quattro and a lot of people have been asking for it. Dealers know it too, before we placed the order for our avant I was talking to the sales manager helping us out and he said a lot of people come into their dealership and ask about it too. Too bad corporate didn't appease so many people, but I guess it would have cannibalized sales of the A4 Avant.

But I'm very happy with my avant and the extra room is very nice, although there seems to be much more rear leg room in the A3 at the price of less cargo room in the hatch.

[Keith@APR]

Hello to everyone. I've bumped this thread to renew the conversation and all topics are fair game.

I personally apologize to AAAA as I have let his issue fall through the cracks. The blame can be placed with me. I have multiple excuses but won't go into that of course. If AAAA will allow us some time to satisfy any needs he has with the help of Mike we will get them resolved.

On another note, if any ko4 owner's would like to be involved in the Owner's Corral at WF we will be more than happy to accommodate them.

I hope this thread will continue as a sneak peak into both turbo kits Mike has in development and I am here to answer any questions about either kit as the release is nearing.

Thanks to everyone and again, my apologies to AAAA.

[Six Speed Turbo]

I hope this thread will continue as a sneak peak into both turbo kits Mike has in development and I am here to answer any questions about either kit as the release is nearing.

Wait a minute. Did I miss something, there are 2 seperate kits in development? I miss alot being here in Iraq but how the hell did I miss this? Keith please if possible can you give us "some" details about the kits.

[Vito Roma]

i would love stage 3+

[audimeister]

Where's the dang popcorn smiley when you need one?

We're just all feeling a little like the stepkids when it comes to go-fast stuff. The corral thing just poked a big sore spot.

Any chance apr would race its stage III B7 against the AWE car?