Any 2.0T Tip Quattros with APR ECU and Fuel Pump?

[D0lphinGrey]

Would love hear your feedback on how the car performs?

I have APR flash at the moment and am planning to get the fuel pump and testpipe.

[Auditude2.0T]

I have a Tip. My mods are:

APR Stage II 93 Octane with Test Pipe and FSI Pump Programs
APR High Performance FSI Pump
AWE Full Exhaust
Eurocode Test Pipe
Greddy FMIC
Carbonio CAI
Forge DV

The car is an absolute rocket!! Its a little bit faster than a stock 335i and an S4.

[a4dc89]

I have a Tip. My mods are:

The car is an absolute rocket!! Its a little bit faster than a stock 335i and an S4.

Sorry to thread jack but a stock 335?? really? that is really impressive, i didnt realize the car could become that fast from those upgrades. Do you have 1/4 mile times or anything like that?

[Auditude2.0T]

Sorry to thread jack but a stock 335?? really? that is really impressive, i didnt realize the car could become that fast from those upgrades. Do you have 1/4 mile times or anything like that?

I have a Vag Com Performance Meter that works with all OBD II and reads off the computer. It tells you 1/4 Time and 0-60. I did this in both my A4 and my friends 335 XI. Both car were Sedans, both Automatics, both 4wd. My car ran a 13.6@101MPH (best out of three) and my friends bimmer ran a 13.8@103 (also best of 3 runs). I don't know how accurate the Vag Com is (it should be really accurate since it reads off the cpu) but all i know is that the same day, same 2 people in the car and some good launches the A4 had the better 1/4 time. The 0-60 time was 5.4 for the Bimmer and 5.5 for my car.

[quattrosaint]

I have every mod but a bigger turbo, hook me up APR!

[Alkemix]

I have a Vag Com Performance Meter that works with all OBD II and reads off the computer. It tells you 1/4 Time and 0-60. I did this in both my A4 and my friends 335 XI. Both car were Sedans, both Automatics, both 4wd. My car ran a 13.6@101MPH (best out of three) and my friends bimmer ran a 13.8@103 (also best of 3 runs). I don't know how accurate the Vag Com is (it should be really accurate since it reads off the cpu) but all i know is that the same day, same 2 people in the car and some good launches the A4 had the better 1/4 time. The 0-60 time was 5.4 for the Bimmer and 5.5 for my car.

Hey, sorry to also hijack this thread for a second, but do you know what your whp is or even you chp? I guess my real question is, what kind of power does the fuel pump add + fuel pump programs add? your APR 93 is +40 over stock so 240 whp, then you have another 10-15 hp from that FMIC and another 10 hp from testpipe, so thats theoretically up to 265 whp without adding the fuel pumps + program. A stock RWD 335 is making about 310-320 whp, no?

BTW, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong on any of my numbers, I pulled the one for the FMIC out of my ass anyways. :)

I'm truly interested in anyones best estimate of what kind of power Auditude is making and what kind of power gains a fuel pump + program can give. WHP and TQ. Cheers!

[groggy]

Your numbers for the 335 are off. Not saying your vag didn't give you those numbers but something isn't right.

[AudiWxGuy]

The 335i was AWD. If it were RWD, he would've lost.

[quattrosaint]

I have hit 0-60 in 5.1 many times and I even put down a 4.9 once. Perfect conditions and a 3500 rpm launch.(With a G-tech Pro) While this is fast, it is no means as fast as a 335. I do loose to them on the highway everytime, but I can roast a bad driver from a standstill. I have in the neighborhood of 300 flywheel HP. You will notice a huge difference in the midrange with the pump. It pulls almost as hard in 4th gear as it does in 3rd. Also there is no need to downshift at highway speeds to get around a car even in 6th, all it takes is a gentle push on the gas!

[Auditude2.0T]

I Got 0-60 5.5 with a 1500rpm launch. I think with a 3500 i can get to 4.8 or 4.9.

[AudiWxGuy]

Damn!!!

[Auditude2.0T]

AudiWxGuy i just realized you don't have a chip yet. I order you to get one immediately:)

[Alkemix]

I have hit 0-60 in 5.1 many times and I even put down a 4.9 once. Perfect conditions and a 3500 rpm launch.(With a G-tech Pro) While this is fast, it is no means as fast as a 335. I do loose to them on the highway everytime, but I can roast a bad driver from a standstill. I have in the neighborhood of 300 flywheel HP. You will notice a huge difference in the midrange with the pump. It pulls almost as hard in 4th gear as it does in 3rd. Also there is no need to downshift at highway speeds to get around a car even in 6th, all it takes is a gentle push on the gas!

300 is a good number. I can see you keeping pace with a 335 from a dead start with those numbers. I live in Southern California and getting 93 octane is not an option for me. What do you think our cars can make to the wheels with APR 91, fuel pump, FMIC and high-flow cat?

[gpxluke]

My car has APR chip and Creative catback exhaust only I can keep up with my frd's 335 coupe stock from 0~60 but after 60 I'll be pulled away from him

Yeah our cars are heavy and slow...but with the chip it's not that bad

[Six Speed Turbo]

300 is a good number. I can see you keeping pace with a 335 from a dead start with those numbers. I live in Southern California and getting 93 octane is not an option for me. What do you think our cars can make to the wheels with APR 91, fuel pump, FMIC and high-flow cat?

I would say somewhere in the 220-230 range at the wheels.

[felondnb]

getting 93 octane is not an option for me

I run my car on 97-99 octane super unleaded. it's expensive @ £1.25+ at the pump (95 RON unleaded is about £1.13 at the mo), which equates to £60+ to fill up.

I thought u guys would have the same octane levels for petrol in the US?

[SilverB7FL]

Why is my car so slow? 14.9 at the 1/4 mile. I get good launches and decent 60' times. It just gives out like half way down the track. I don't get it. I'm getting the methonal injection kit soon so that should help I just don't get why I can't get times like you guys. I don't have the fuel pump but would it make that big of a difference you think? I've been hesistant to get it b/c I did some data logs and I wasn't really having too much of a fuel cut issue.

[AudiWxGuy]

I'm working on it. I'm just not sure what company I want to go with. If I go APR I want to have my pump rebuilt, which costs about $600. on top of the $800 the chip will cost. So I can save some money there. I'm also thinking of possibly going GIAC-X. I'll be up in the Philly area next week. I'm planning on taking a drive over to AWE and trying to get a ride in a chipped A4.

[A4 JooN 2.0T]

Why is my car so slow? 14.9 at the 1/4 mile. I get good launches and decent 60' times. It just gives out like half way down the track. I don't get it. I'm getting the methonal injection kit soon so that should help I just don't get why I can't get times like you guys. I don't have the fuel pump but would it make that big of a difference you think? I've been hesistant to get it b/c I did some data logs and I wasn't really having too much of a fuel cut issue.

the weather maybe?? the fuel pump file is suppose to give you about 30chp i think so do it!...but you do have the weight advantage vs guys.....

[Auditude2.0T]

The Fuel Pump should get you in the low 14's b/c of the monster fuel cut. Fuel cut also kills your trap #'s. Also isn't very hot and dry in Florida, that can make a car alot slower.

[SilverB7FL]

the weather maybe?? the fuel pump file is suppose to give you about 30chp i think so do it!...but you do have the weight advantage vs guys.....

lol. yea maybe I'll do it in a few months since it seems this kit from APR is going to take awhile. Nice to space out the mods so I don't get bored. Meth now, fuel pump in a few months then......APR turbo kit!!!!!!!!

[AudiWxGuy]

IMO...If you want the APR Turbo Kit, the A4 can no longer be your Daily Driver.

[Sanjman]

The Fuel Pump should get you in the low 14's b/c of the monster fuel cut. Fuel cut also kills your trap #'s. Also isn't very hot and dry in Florida, that can make a car alot slower.

Florida is actually very humid.

[IceMole]

IMO...If you want the APR Turbo Kit, the A4 can no longer be your Daily Driver.

and why not? There's plenty of B6 drivers DD with APR 3+ and bigger, one is even his wifes car that she drives the kids to school with. Maybe you should drive a BT car before you make assumptions like that, much more usable power then the tiny little hot air spike the k03 pushes out.

[SilverB7FL]

yea I think if its done right it can def. be my daily driver no problem. I am constantly surrounded by BT cars that are my friends DD's. I feel so left out! haha. I plan on flushing the transmission fluid more frequently to make sure my tippy will hold out.

[AudiWxGuy]

I'm not saying it can't...what i'm saying is that the car becomes much more performance oriented, and less reliable at that point. The problem is that when something goes wrong, it's gotta go to the tuner, not the dealer, and they need to figure out the problem. If and when I go BT, I'll have another car to rely on.

[davis449]

I'm tryin' SO hard to get Stage II+, but my mechanic is a slacker right now. I've had the exhaust on order since last week and it isn't here yet, so I can't do the fuel pump yet either. I'm going insane with anticipation here!

[Auditude2.0T]

My dad has an RS4 as a Daily Driver and thats stupid fast. A big turbo A4 will be a great daily.

[AudiWxGuy]

IT's got nothing to do with how fast it is. It's just when you tune an engine like that there is more than can go wrong. Just like anything else when you modify it. 90% of the time it may be fine. But that 10%...instead of Audi figuring out what's wrong in a couple hours, it may be on the shelf for a couple of weeks.

[IceMole]

I'd put my money on a GT out living a k03 any day of the week. With that kind of mentality you should be leasing a car and never touching a mod.

[AudiWxGuy]

Riiiight....Having concerns of reliability when tuning your engine from 200 hp to 300+ is completely unreasonable.

[D0lphinGrey]

Ok thanks guys for all the replies. I went ahead and got the APR pump and testpipe installed today, car sounds a lot tougher at higher revs (stock catback), I can definitely feel the extra punch in acceleration vs just the chip. Pleased so far!

One question, the boost is spiking around 23psi on my AWE gauge, is that normal?

[Keith@APR]

As far as our Stage 3 Turbo Kit that's currently in development there are several components that even eclipse the quality of oem bits.

A pic of our transvers kit for reference:



Investment Cast Inconel Exhaust Manifold

Cast Stainless Steel Exhaust Downturn

Cast Aluminum Induction and Pressure Piping

Silicon Wire Reinforced Induction and Pressure Hoses

Carbon Fiber Induction Piping

Additional Heatsheilding

All of the APR Directly Manufactured components feature a lifetime warranty.

In regards to the additional stress of any oem bits left in place after the install, we have tested the internal strength, transmission strength and overall durability of the driveline through our own R&D as well as that of our sister company Oettinger and our technology partners and the oem's and teir 1 suppliers themselves. We have over 10 years of 1.8T and 2.7T Turbo Kit development experience and 4 years now with the 2.0T.

The d.v. may fail occasionally and the pcv system may experience occasional check valve failure but you should expect no other issues long term. You will need an upgraded clutch or the oem may wear more quickly and a snub mount is a good idea too as the oem may not handle the additional torque.

There are several 1.8T and 2.7T APR Stage 3 and 3+ owners over 100,000 miles with our kit installed.

APR is the quality the long term user requires and we strive to eliminate the occasional hassle of BT's more than no other.

[Keith@APR]

I'll try and dig up some FSI Fuel Pump dyno's tomorrow.

[CapstoneJHS]

APR is the quality the long term user requires

That's why I "Went APR!"

[Sharkfin]

Thank you Keith for setting the record straight. After I read the posts above I was going to comment on the quality control APR does during testing. I know that the products you put out are of top quality.

[CardNation]

As far as our Stage 3 Turbo Kit that's currently in development there are several components that even eclipse the quality of oem bits.

A pic of our transvers kit for reference:



Investment Cast Inconel Exhaust Manifold

Cast Stainless Steel Exhaust Downturn

Cast Aluminum Induction and Pressure Piping

Silicon Wire Reinforced Induction and Pressure Hoses

Carbon Fiber Induction Piping

Additional Heatsheilding

All of the APR Directly Manufactured components feature a lifetime warranty.

In regards to the additional stress of any oem bits left in place after the install, we have tested the internal strength, transmission strength and overall durability of the driveline through our own R&D as well as that of our sister company Oettinger and our technology partners and the oem's and teir 1 suppliers themselves. We have over 10 years of 1.8T and 2.7T Turbo Kit development experience and 4 years now with the 2.0T.

The d.v. may fail occasionally and the pcv system may experience occasional check valve failure but you should expect no other issues long term. You will need an upgraded clutch or the oem may wear more quickly and a snub mount is a good idea too as the oem may not handle the additional torque.

There are several 1.8T and 2.7T APR Stage 3 and 3+ owners over 100,000 miles with our kit installed.

APR is the quality the long term user requires and we strive to eliminate the occasional hassle of BT's more than no other.

This is the kind of e-pimpin I like to see.

[D0lphinGrey]

Ok thanks guys for all the replies. I went ahead and got the APR pump and testpipe installed today, car sounds a lot tougher at higher revs (stock catback), I can definitely feel the extra punch in acceleration vs just the chip. Pleased so far!

One question, the boost is spiking around 23psi on my AWE gauge, is that normal?

Anyone with the apr pump can answer this?

[Auditude2.0T]

im spiking 19psi

[VZWalex]

really dont feel like typing cause im bussy at work but look at mods below.. still havent dynod but will soon I promise! just been really bussy BTW yes love the performance