APR No Start

[yellowihss]

Ok I got the stage 1+ from apr about a month ago and was not happy with it so i decided to get my money back and save for a BT. 2 days ago I got the program taken off and drove home from Plano TX to Waco TX, about a 2 hour drive. I got pulled over 2 miles from my house for speeding and got a ticket. I shut my car off when he pulled my over, and when I went to leave it would not start. The only code is a P0601 which APRsaid was normal. Any Ideas. I have a 2004 A4 1.8tqm and the only mods are intake diverter valve and test pipe. Any help would be great.

[AudiBama]

they got pissed and fucked your car...










i keed i keed

but yeah idk why...

[yellowihss]

Also I left the tt injectors in for the trip back. could that have any thing to do with it. And I found out I have spark, but the injectors arnt firing (checked with noid light)

[diagnosticator]

Also I left the tt injectors in for the trip back. could that have any thing to do with it. And I found out I have spark, but the injectors arnt firing (checked with noid light)

Check for power at the injectors with the key ON. The ECU power supply relay provides power to the ECU and the injectors, and the coilpacks. So, if there is spark, but the injectors are not being triggered, that means the ECU/coilpacks have +BAT power but the injector drive stages in the ECU could be toast. But check for +BAT at the injectors anyway. Can you scan for ECU DTCs?

[yellowihss]

The only dtc was he P0601

[eg6siR]

according to AllDataPro, a P0601 code is:

internal control module memory check sum error
corrective action is:

Replace ECM


all i know is i wouldnt be happy about this... sounds like your apr dealer killed your ecu

[eg6siR]

The only code is a P0601 which APRsaid was normal.

thats definatly not a "normal code"

try brain deading your ecm, disconnect the battery terminals and jumper the two terminal wires together while not connected to the battery and turn the headlights on (they wont actually light up), that will use up any power left in the system and erase all codes and memory features, then disconnect the jumper wire and re-connect the battery, try to start the car, and maybe it will fire up, if not, your ECM is probably toast

[yellowihss]

I did that twice. the last ting i want to do is replace the ecu, but if I do does anyone have experiance doing this. i know how to swap them, and i know you need to take it to the dealer, but where can i get one and can an independant shop do the programing. Thanks for your help Allen

[eg6siR]

call the shop who did your re-program, i would hold them responsible, make them pay the towing bill to bring your car back to them. they obviously fucked something up, your ecm should not have just died like that.

[04QuattroTurbo]

call the shop who did your re-program, i would hold them responsible, make them pay the towing bill to bring your car back to them. they obviously fucked something up, your ecm should not have just died like that.

Ditto. Looks like you may have had a bad stock flash. Scary. Good luck. let us know how it goes.

[Pr0n]

Now I'm scared to do the APR test trial...

[onceover]

Now I'm scared to do the APR test trial...

APR test trial went just fine for me. Program went back to stock like nothing even happend. The car was just a lot slower :P

[B6Lovin]

trial flashes are a waste of time... just like stages 1, 1+, 2, blahblahblah...

BT/BAT is where its at.

back on topic - x3 on taking it back where you got it re-flashed to stock... there's no way anyone but them caused that problem.

[yellowihss]

Everytime I tell them they need to fix the problem they keep telling me that the code wont stop it from starting. Im getting pretty pissed.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Everytime I tell them they need to fix the problem they keep telling me that the code wont stop it from starting. Im getting pretty pissed.

That is correct, the car will still start and run with that code, the CEL will just stay on and the code will remain. It in no way will keep the car from running. Running the larger injectors on the stock tune will make the car run a bit rich. It can adapt for up to 25% but anything outside +/- 6% can cause issues, especially with stock software. I would check your plugs first and then go from there. A check sum error is from a bad burn typically, nothing that the dealer or whoever flashed your car can control. You can try contacting APR, send the ECU to them, the check sum can sometimes be cleared or they may possibly replace your ECU. The immobilizer can also be disabled if they were to send you a new ECU however I doubt they would do so for there own liability, especially already with an unhappy customer. Otherwise with a new ECU it will have to be taken to the dealer to be recoded for your immobilizer. Ill tell you right now whoever flashed your car is not going to be held responsible, and it will not hold up in court in your favor if you were to take it that far, especially if they refunded your money in full.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Also that code would have been thrown at the first ECU power up after being flashed, its not something that appeared when you tried to restart your car after the ticket. It was there when they cycled the ECU power after flashing, before they even started the car

[Papachristou]

why didnt u use the APR dealer in Plano? i had great success there... there is no way this has anything to do with APR programming... you pissed off the independent dealer who might have effed something up

and im sure as hell suprised they gave u your money back on that!!!! but i agree, in retrospect, i wouldnt ever waste money on a flash or whatever, just put on supporting mods and putting back for the BT

[A4ringedONE8T]

why didnt u use the APR dealer in Plano? i had great success.;.. there is no way this has anything to do with APR programming... you pissed off the independent dealer

Like I said, there isnt any ECU sabotage that can be done. Burn errors do arise from time to time without the flashers control, just part of the game unfortunately

[Wags38]

Hey yellowihss are you ever going to send the foglights? Since you haven't returned any of my PM's. I need the fogs or I need my money back

[Papachristou]

Like I said, there isnt any ECU sabotage that can be done. Burn errors do arise from time to time without the flashers control, just part of the game unfortunately

i see, but its certainly no fault of the APR software as the OP or others were thinking... i wouldnt want someone to think that a flash can fry their ecu

[04QuattroTurbo]

Hey yellowihss are you ever going to send the foglights? Since you haven't returned any of my PM's. I need the fogs or I need my money back

That's slightly OT...

One way to get his attention!

[jcg05c]

^^^ that sucks. people who are sucky sellers should get a redflag and no help on the forums:/

[A4ringedONE8T]

i see, but its certainly no fault of the APR software as the OP or others were thinking... i wouldnt want someone to think that a flash can fry their ecu

Its not "fried," it will still function properly just has an unclearable code. It is possible when flashing a ECU for it to happen without the flasher/shop knowing until afterwards. It happened with the ECU in my old car, 02' 1.8T Jetta

[kwimberly]

Is it sort of like flashing the BIOS on your laptop? The manufacturer always says to make sure you have a full battery and are plugged in because the procedure is so sensitive. If the flash doesn't compete properly (with good checksum) then you're either screwed or simply need to try it again?

[Wags38]

Thanks for getting back to me!!!!

[yellowihss]

Ecu was shipped today along with Wags38's fogs. It has been A bad week for me and I usually ship stuff that I sell the next day. But back to the problem I did use the APR dealer in Plano and would like to say to any one that is looking for a good shop to go there ( Eurosport Automotive ) They have been nothing but kind to my situation. I dont thinks it APR's or the dealers fault directly , but mabey something in the programing, and that is why I shipped it to APR today. I had the REVO trial before I got the APR and they think there is a very small posibility that might have something to do with it. I will keep you guys posted on there findings,and thanks for all the help. Allen