AutoX and stock car with H&R springs

[Emp2k]

Hey people abit new on this forum and not that good at english as im from sweden so please have patience with me.

Just wanted to show some pics and ask for some advice.

I have a Red A4 1.8T Quattro avant. Only mods are H&R springs, OZ ultraleggera wheels and blackdiamond pads. Went to an autox event sunday and well although it was fun it had some interesting relevations.

Not smoke from my car


Seems like the tires are almost of the rim?




After 150km track use. :(



My conclusion after the day is that that some form of Sway bar is needed and that i need some better dampening for the H&R springs. Seems like im almost lifting the rear tire of the ground. Im doing abit of trailbraking to quell alot of the understeer from theese cars. That in turn seems to have put even more stress on the front tires sending more preassure on them.

What i have read on the forum it isnt possible to adjust front camber unless ju get adjustable wishbones but where d i get them?

Poundering going for Bilstein shocks and Hsport sways. What version should i get? I think 24mm rear should be good? Dont really want a drifting monster either so to speak. Input greatly appreciated.


Ps. Just had to post 2 more images when the car is more worthy ;) DS.





Ok one more then but with a friend this time :D

[AudiA4Turbo22]

ur English is nearly perfect! And ur car is fantastic, u can go Bilstein sport shocks and use an RS4 sway if u want, but H sports are pretty good and 24mm is perfect! Tire looks defective!

[Maverick]

you went auto X with 19"???

[Sablea4]

nice ride :)

[aaaudiprotein]

Nice Ride :)))
And yeah, you would need sport shocks + sway bars... Look at H sport sways.

[Emp2k]

you went auto X with 19"???

Of course its bought to be used. Ok granted 19" isnt the best size but it looks good on . I have another car for fun this is just for transportation. Although it gets used as stand in for fun car when that one is broken

Anyway im poundering some bilstein dampers and the Hsport sway bars. Is that a good combination? I did some searching and most people that i read about use either coilovers and hsport or just bilsteins.

The bilsteins im thinking about getting is the B8 sprint version.

Regarding the swaybars im thinking about going for the 35/24mm H-sport. Shouldnt be to extreme or what do you guys think?

Thanx for all the nice comments on the car to its really appreciated.

[n7plus1]

wow, car is hot...tires look beat now, lol.

[Squadra Corse]

If you're looking to dial out understeer with a sway bar I would only run a larger rear bar, and leave the front stock. The more roll stiffness you add to one end of the car, the less grip you have at that end. Right now you have more rear grip than front grip, which is what gives you understeer. Stepping both bars up will give you flatter cornering but may not solve your understeer problem, it's a bit car dependent though.

[Maverick]

35mm in the front, i think you are crazy! that puts too much load on the front. you won't get any benefits. stock sport front sway bar is good. 24mm in the rear is fine but most here run RS4 rear sway which is 22mm. i dont know who makes 24mm
coilovers is recommended. get something adjustable and nice, dont be cheap. this is one of the most important component of the car besides tires and brakes

[Emp2k]

If you're looking to dial out understeer with a sway bar I would only run a larger rear bar, and leave the front stock. The more roll stiffness you add to one end of the car, the less grip you have at that end. Right now you have more rear grip than front grip, which is what gives you understeer. Stepping both bars up will give you flatter cornering but may not solve your understeer problem, it's a bit car dependent though.

Well i didnt have that much understeer since i ran the car with 3.0 bar tire preassure at the front and 2.7 bar at the rear. That cancels out much of the understeer and makes it pretty easy to controll with the throttle. Problem seems to be that since my car leans so much and i dont have that much camber the tire foldes over and disapears under the rim (see picture).

My thoughts on an optimal solution would be more camber and abit more rollstiffness. But since camber isnt adjustable i would have to go extreme with swaybars keeping the car as level as possible using what little camber i have.

Seeing as swaybars is really just a spring it adds spring rate to the suspension. Sure pretty small change but still a change. Therefore the bilsteins.

Biggest drawback in having just a pretty beaffy rear bar is that it will pick upp inside rear wheel when cornering. Looking at the picture above makes me belive that its almost there already. Fitting just a bigger rear bar would make that worse?

[Emp2k]

35mm in the front, i think you are crazy! that puts too much load on the front. you won't get any benefits. stock sport front sway bar is good. 24mm in the rear is fine but most here run RS4 rear sway which is 22mm. i dont know who makes 24mm
coilovers is recommended. get something adjustable and nice, dont be cheap. this is one of the most important component of the car besides tires and brakes

What i have gathered from the forum that is the thickness of the front swaybar that is included in the Hsport package? Thats where i got the numbers from.

Coilovers is over the top for this car. This is just a dailydriver. No need for adjustable suspension. Its not a question of being cheap its a question of bang for the buck.

PS.
Reading through my last 2 posts i noticed i look somewhat as an idiot who dosent wanna listen and always knows best (we all know the kind )
Tried to get it better by adding some smileys but didnt really get to much of a difference I really appreciate all the advice. Ds.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

What i have gathered from the forum that is the thickness of the front swaybar that is included in the Hsport package? Thats where i got the numbers from.

Coilovers is over the top for this car. This is just a dailydriver. No need for adjustable suspension. Its not a question of being cheap its a question of bang for the buck.

PS.
Reading through my last 2 posts i noticed i look somewhat as an idiot who dosent wanna listen and always knows best (we all know the kind )
Tried to get it better by adding some smileys but didnt really get to much of a difference I really appreciate all the advice. Ds.

Bang for the buck mod would be to at least go down to 18" wheel and get better tires. I once went to auto-x on 19"s when I was still waiting on my 18"s and even with decent tires, they felt like crap on a heavy car like the A4. Not enough sidewall.

What kind of tires are those by the way? They look pretty mangled. Plus they only have a 88Y load rating...that would make you sidewalls very soft. Get a load rating of at least 91Y.

For tire recommendations, I would get the Dunlop Direzza Spec Stars. If you can't get them, then I would get the Falken RT-615s. Keep in mind, the Falkens get heated up much more easily than the Dunlops and they get greasy when they get too hot.

I wouldn't recommend in getting a huge rear-sway bar running only the stock front sway bar. It gets pretty tail happy on slaloms.

[Emp2k]

Bang for the buck mod would be to at least go down to 18" wheel and get better tires. I once went to auto-x on 19"s when I was still waiting on my 18"s and even with decent tires, they felt like crap on a heavy car like the A4. Not enough sidewall.

What kind of tires are those by the way? They look pretty mangled. Plus they only have a 88Y load rating...that would make you sidewalls very soft. Get a load rating of at least 91Y.

For tire recommendations, I would get the Dunlop Direzza Spec Stars. If you can't get them, then I would get the Falken RT-615s. Keep in mind, the Falkens get heated up much more easily than the Dunlops and they get greasy when they get too hot.

I wouldn't recommend in getting a huge rear-sway bar running only the stock front sway bar. It gets pretty tail happy on slaloms.

Hmm what you say is correct but the bling factor has to be considered to
I want 19" for looks on the street and im to lazy to change wheels for every event i run the a4 in.
Best would probably be to get som 17" with rcompound tires for track use but it seems abit over the top for a daily driver.

My goal with the a4 is to have a clean nice looking car that is fun on the road and that i can use on trackdays and autocrosses when my other car is broken or out of action for some reason.

The tires that where on the car was BF goodridge gforce profiler. I dont know if you get thoose in the states?
I ordered Michelin pilot sport 2 as a replacenement with a load rating of 91Y.
Any thoughts on thoose?

Regarding fitting only a rear bar i had the feeling it would be abit tailhappy

A little illustration on one of the cars regular duties

[Overboostin]

If you just have springs I would try upgrading your shocks to something stronger to help control the springs more. Swaybars, like it's been said, would also be a plus. Smaller wheels, I think, for those track days would also help.

And you sir, have a beautiful car!

[Emp2k]

If you just have springs I would try upgrading your shocks to something stronger to help control the springs more. Swaybars, like it's been said, would also be a plus. Smaller wheels, I think, for those track days would also help.

And you sir, have a beautiful car!

Ahh excellent right on the lines of what im thinking then.
Thanks for the nice comment. Im almost blushing here now

[BlueHand_Q]

I run my car with 18", stock sport suspension. I also have H-Sports S4 sways and Milltek. The sways definitely made a big difference.

You can check some of the pics here:
http://forums.audiworld.com/lrqc/msgs/136163.phtml

[EBG 18T]

35mm in the front, i think you are crazy! that puts too much load on the front. you won't get any benefits. stock sport front sway bar is good. 24mm in the rear is fine but most here run RS4 rear sway which is 22mm. i dont know who makes 24mm
coilovers is recommended. get something adjustable and nice, dont be cheap. this is one of the most important component of the car besides tires and brakes

There is nothing wrong with a 35mm front bar, as long as you put a big enough rear bar to offset it. I am offseting the 35mm front bar with a 29mm rear bar. This H-sport RS4 track setup is stiff!

I guess i should also mention that this sway setup should NOT we used with softer suspension, it is just too much. From talking with STaSIS & H-Sport anything softer than the STaSIS TrackSport or Motorsports (750#f, 1100#R spring rates) will result is very unpredictable reactions from the A4.

The H-Sport S4 setup w/ 35mm Front & 24mm rear is a great all around balanced setup.

Adding just a H-Sport 22mm rear bar with the OEM front bar is a great combo too. But the orginal poster really needs proper dampers for those springs to control everything properly too.

I'll be off to NHIS in 3 weeks to see how this setup does on the road course. Then down to wakins glen 2 weeks after that.

[B6 Dude]

Emp2k, How are you towing this much weight. That's got to be about 5000 lbs (~2300 kgs) you're pulling, but the info I found on the B6 Avant says it can tow only about 2000 lbs (~900 kgs). Did you do any upgrades to tow this much, or are you just "getting away with it"

Cheers,
-Neil.

A little illustration on one of the cars regular duties

[Kievskiy]

in Europe they tow with regular cars, since waaay back.
And for Auto-x you need better tires more than sway bars, get some falken rt615 or some Hoosiers :)

[Emp2k]

There is nothing wrong with a 35mm front bar, as long as you put a big enough rear bar to offset it. I am offseting the 35mm front bar with a 29mm rear bar. This H-sport RS4 track setup is stiff!

I guess i should also mention that this sway setup should NOT we used with softer suspension, it is just too much. From talking with STaSIS & H-Sport anything softer than the STaSIS TrackSport or Motorsports (750#f, 1100#R spring rates) will result is very unpredictable reactions from the A4.

The H-Sport S4 setup w/ 35mm Front & 24mm rear is a great all around balanced setup.

Adding just a H-Sport 22mm rear bar with the OEM front bar is a great combo too. But the orginal poster really needs proper dampers for those springs to control everything properly too.

I'll be off to NHIS in 3 weeks to see how this setup does on the road course. Then down to wakins glen 2 weeks after that.

Excellent information many thnkas. I will just go for the H-sport s4 setup then. As it is a everyday car.

Ill be sure to add thoose dampers as well.

Itll be interesting to see how your car performs.

[Emp2k]

Emp2k, How are you towing this much weight. That's got to be about 5000 lbs (~2300 kgs) you're pulling, but the info I found on the B6 Avant says it can tow only about 2000 lbs (~900 kgs). Did you do any upgrades to tow this much, or are you just "getting away with it"

Cheers,
-Neil.

In europe this car is registerd to be able to pull 1700kg. My S2 weighs about 1300 kg and the trailer is about 450kg so juuuust above need to lighten the s2 some more

[Emp2k]

I run my car with 18", stock sport suspension. I also have H-Sports S4 sways and Milltek. The sways definitely made a big difference.

You can check some of the pics here:
http://forums.audiworld.com/lrqc/msgs/136163.phtml

Excellent. Very nice pics seems like alot of fun

[b6a4]

Pics of the S2

[wolfdog]

pics Of The S2

+1

[Emp2k]

+1

Ok some pics of the S2 then







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