Run your car on water???

[akaEsCo01]

Is this even possible, I say no

Run your car with water

[Eh-Fore]

....water....and what happens to water below 0 degrees C??? Probably would have to have additives, but overall it may be possible.

[Elliott]

Totally bogus. Don't waste your time.

[audipotential]

Cars have been run entirely on water before but the inventor of the car was mysteriously poisoned before the car came into the mainstream

[akaEsCo01]

Totally bogus. Don't waste your time.

Definitely not gonna try that on my car lol. A friend of mine at work e-mailed it to me and wants to try it.

[mxrz]

Is this even possible, I say no

You need to learn what water is.

[mxrz]

Totally bogus.

See above.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

i say someone with a bone stock A4 maybe a 3.0 should try it! who knows but what i'm thinking about is how much power will u use?? probably half the cost of gas and half the power!

[akaEsCo01]

You need to learn what water is.

You know you are a real smart ass, I'm glad I only have to deal with you on here.

Anyway, I should have said I think no.

[mxrz]

half the power!

Not only that, but it will be thirsty as hell. Even the BMW Hydrogen 7 V12 does less than 5mpg, and it runs on liquid hydrogen that contains more energy per volume than what this water conversion system is capable of.

It works, but it's not efficient, yet.

[mxrz]

You know you are a real smart ass, I'm glad I only have to deal with you on here.

Anyway, I should have said I think no.

I'm sorry but even school children know that water is made of hydrogen and oxygen, and in simple terms, the former burns, and the latter sustains burning. It's theoretically the perfect combination for clean fuel.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

but it does have a 52 day guarantee lol j/k! but i wouldn't care if i got 2 mpg! i would still save a bundle though right???

[bavaria75]

56 day guarantee money back.
Funny because you buy only the guide in the first place. Secondly they try to help you on fixing there problems and if not they properly refund the money.
At least they refer to a "Contact Us" link on the bottom of the page what's actually there and exist. I was afraid to click on it to check if it works.
Why not just give me your money.

[auggy]

HHO? lol

[eg6siR]

simple science says this is completely possible, but i think im gonna keep putting the 93 in mine even though it 4.19 a gallon in pittsburgh now

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^haha $4.19! wow ur lucky! we pay $4.69 for 91 here!

[HeymyAudi]

^^haha $4.19! Wow Ur Lucky! We Pay $4.69 For 91 Here!

Damn!!!!!!!

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^tell Me About It! Costs $75.00 To Fill The Tank!

[manhertm]

Check out one of my other threads. Clicky Click
Call me a guinea pig, if I didn't drop $1500 a new AC system today, I would already have it. Gonna wait 'til the end of the month to order the kit.

[AudiA4_20T]

Check out one of my other threads. Clicky Click
Call me a guinea pig, if I didn't drop $1500 a new AC system today, I would already have it. Gonna wait 'til the end of the month to order the kit.

im so pumped for this... If this works Im doing it on my moms jeep for sure

[A4_Mike]

Make sure to keep us updated. My dad is all into trying to improve the fuel economy on our family vehicles (e.g. Ford Windstar and Chrysler Town & Country).

[kolan67]

simple Science Says This Is Completely Possible, But I Think Im Gonna Keep Putting The 93 In Mine Even Though It 4.19 A Gallon In Pittsburgh Now

$4.19!!!!! I Envy You!!!!!!!

[bwoy1981]

Gotta love Orlando.. $4.05 for 93oct. And I was complaining!!!!

[jcg05c]

paid 3.99 for prem today bwoy:)

[skeeball]

Wow. I would laugh at this thread if it wasn't so sad. Are you people really that gullible? Hey, I've got this really cool bridge to sell you!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame:

Many of these claims,prima facie, violate the Law of conservation of energy. To date, all of these claims have been fraudulent.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car:

The water-fuelled car, on the other hand, purports to create or extract energy from water itself, which would be the basis of a perpetual motion machine. Water-fuelled cars have been mentioned in history books, newspaper and popular science magazines, and urban legends since the 1800s. Many accounts describe engines that run on water, frequently claiming suppression by government or private interests to explain delays in production. There are currently no commercially available products based on these technologies, and several have been shown in court to have been fraudulently used to solicit investment funds.

You use more energy breaking the water apart than you get out of the resulting gas.

[eg6siR]

$4.19!!!!! I Envy You!!!!!!!

haha, funny thing is, i had to get gas today, it it went up $0.25 per gallon, i paid 4.44 today and 4.19 yesterday at the same gas station in my civic (too bad its swapped and also requires 93)

[AudiA4Turbo22]

$4.79 today!

[mxrz]

Wow. I would laugh at this thread if it wasn't so sad. Are you people really that gullible? Hey, I've got this really cool bridge to sell you!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen_flame:


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car:


You use more energy breaking the water apart than you get out of the resulting gas.

No shit Sherlock... Sorry to burst your bubble you can't seem to see past the headline, which has been worded to grab attention, it isn't implied that the car "runs on water". Clearly, it requires energy to produce the gas that is used as the fuel in a regular internal combustion engine. This thread isn't about what wiki calls the "water fuelled car"... This runs on oxygen enriched hydrogen, not water. And no one is claiming it's a very efficient method either. So much for your bridge.

[skeeball]

lol. You should get one.

Tell me. What it is the point of using a fuel source that requires more energy to produce than it delivers?

[AudiA4_20T]

lol. You should get one.

Tell me. What it is the point of using a fuel source that requires more energy to produce than it delivers?

such a hater dave.. Ive been doing some research. Basically you dont run the car fully on HHO... its moreso like a water/meth injection but not for performance but rather efficiency/gas milage

[skeeball]

I've been chugging the



Seriously, I'm not trying to piss on anyone's parade. I'm just trying to hopefully save someone some money. I'll leave it at this.

gasoline --> electricity (car battery) --> hydrogen and oxygen

You are burning the hydrogen and oxygen in place of fuel to save on mileage. But battery gets its charge from the engine burning gas and oxygen. Every time you convert from one type of energy to another you lose some in the conversion.

You are actually going to decrease fuel economy. Probably by a very negligible amount though so it's not a big deal.

[mxrz]

It's for the tree huggers, what else. Clean water vapor out of the tail pipe... That's the only reason crazy rich people will buy BMW's hydrogen 7 series for example, despite the fact that it takes a shitload of energy to produce the hydrogen. It's a great conversation piece too, until someone brings up the fateful Hindenburg This website is promising a poor peasant version of practically the same thing, except with a bit of snake oil on the side.

[B-Rob]

simple science says this is completely possible

Let's think about this for a second. You're using energy to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then burning that hydrogen (chemically speakin, combining with oxygen) to produce water and energy. It's the same reaction in both directions, therefore theoretically the energy released in the second reaction would exactly equal the energy input required to make the first reaction happen. In the real world, there is always some ineffiency (kind of like drivetrain loss), so you will ALWAYS lose energy in this deal.

And I REALLY hope I'm not the only person who noticed "use electricity from your car's battery to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns smoothly and provides significant energy - while the end product is just H2O." HHO = H2O = fucking water! Are we really going to zap water to make water, then burn that water, and expect to get a net gain out of it?

[Elliott]

Also, hydroxy is just a prefix that indicates 1 H and 1 O.

ex. di-HYDROXY-acetone phosphate. A chemical product in glycolysis with little relative reactivity.

[manhertm]

Wow this thread really went left with all the "takes more energy to create power" talk. First off "THIS NOT A COMPLETE HYDROGEN SYSTEM". The added hydrogen to the system makes the car more efficient. Think water/meth injection. Like B-Rob said hydrogen burns smoothly, it also has a higher energy yield than pump gas, its non-corrosive and non-toxic. The problem that car manufacturers are having is the storage of the hydrogen. The gas does not like to be contain because it expands(decipates) very quickly. It takes almost 20000PSI to store the equivlent of 4 gallons of gasoline in a hydrogen tank, not to mention there is no infracstructure for hydrogen. The HHO generator converts water on the fly, which means no storage issues. I don't know why this part of the technology has not been focused on more. If I had more knowledge of remapping a computer ,it would seem very easy to make this system work. The only problem I foresee when I purchase the kit it the ability to lean out the system to compensate for the hydrogen going into the intake. I think its a matter of time before someboy makes a kit to get the mixture right for individual engines. The biggest obstacle I'm faced with is making sure the hydrogen compensates for the lower amount of fuel in the system, to the point where the computer can't tell something is different(maintain the same HP levels) This is essentially the same thing chip programmers do with octane tuning. Even if I don't get the mixture right, I would think the benefits would be more like a water/meth kit.


PS I just wanna say I'm a new to this technology just like everyone else, but it's not exactly rocket science and I doubt I'm gonna do any serious damage if it doesn't work. Oh and it takes very little electricity to power the generator, 3 amps.

[PRY4SNO]

While I'm a physics nerd I must admit I have nothing to add to this thread as of yet.

But still very interesting though!

[skeeball]

You can make claims that it "works". Sure enough electrolysis of water will produce hydrogen and oxygen and they will burn. But as soon as you say it makes the car more efficient.... bunk. You are using more gasoline simply to power this device than if you didn't have it.

I'm not talking about hydrogen/fuel cell cars. I'm talking about running electrolysis from your car battery and burning the resultant gases. It is less efficient than simply burning gasoline. You make more power just burning the gasoline too.

The purpose of water/meth is to cool down cylinder temps in order to prevent detonation so you can run more timing advance and make more power.

Don't let my words of reason stop anybody though. I say go for it!

[dougyfresh]

Tell me. What it is the point of using a fuel source that requires more energy to produce than it delivers?

Bingo!

That is one of the dilemmas I'm faced when wanting to go bio-diesel on a TDI. It takes more energy to create the fuel and you get less BTU's when burning it. Albeit it smells nice

[skeeball]

I'd be hungry all the time if my car smelled like french fries.

I think you can justify it if you are doing it on a personal level and using waste oil from fast food restaurants. You're right though, there are issues with scaling and efficiency.

[dougyfresh]

However the waste oils are being stolen left and right: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayof...ref=newssearch


My roommate and I are brainstorming putting a turbo diesel (running on veggie) in my Jeep Cherokee.