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    Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

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    Materials Required
    (2) 1/8" x 3/4" stainless steel allen head machine screws
    (2) 1/8" stainless steel washers
    (2) 1/8" stainless steel nylon lock nuts
    (3) 8-18 x 1/2" (or equiv) self taping screws
    1/8" thick x 3/4" wide x 12" long flat aluminum bar stock
    1/16" thick x 1" wide x 12" long aluminum angle iron


    Tools Required
    1/8" allen wrench
    3/8" open end wrench
    3/16" drill bit and cordless drill
    1/4" socket with cordless drill adapter
    1/4" 4" socket extension
    1/4" ratchet
    hack-saw with metal cutting blade (preferably a hand saw)
    bench vise
    sharpie marker
    small metal file
    small wood-workers chisel
    channel lock pliers
    dead-blow plastic hammer
    electrical tape
    1/8" foam or bubble wrap



    How did you fix it?

    First, I was inspired by the Toecutter's fix as shown here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190204

    I adopted his technique to get the seat back to stay on the seat. The fix on the lumbar support itself I made up my own method.

    I went my own route on the lumbar fix because a friend of mine tried welding my old piece and failed. As a result I had to come up with a new method.

    Old POS after initial attempt at fixing:


    Current Driver Seat:


    How do I lock that bottom piece of the lumbar support down? After much pondering on this subject I found the answer.

    Screw/bolt a piece of angle iron in there and the lumbar support will 'float' in space and when someone is seated in the seat the lumbar support will press up against the angle iron. This, in turn, thereby provides resistance and enables the lumbar support to actually do its job.

    Angle Iron test fitted (cut to about 13cm long and saw burrs filed down):


    The key here is placement. How far forward and backward does the angle iron reside? I placed it forward to the point where it is just resting on the lumbar support bars. This will prevent excessive movement when someone gets in and out of the seat.

    Metal on metal = noise. How do I prevent noise? I wanted to use some 1/8" foam but didn't have any. The closest thing I had was some bubble wrap. I cut a strip as wide as the angle iron is long (13cm) and rolled it up on itself three times. From there I used some electrical tape to affix it to one side of the angle iron as shown here:

    Now this may look messy but it does the job.

    With the angle iron all setup its time to anchor it into the seat. See that black piece of metal the angle iron rests on within the seat? That is the seat frame and it is made out of steel. We will be screwing the self-taping screws into that.

    Start by predrilling the self-taping screws into the angle iron outside of the seat. I installed two screws about 1.5 or 2cm in from either end of the angle iron. As soon as the self-taping screws protruded through the other side of the angle iron I stopped.

    From here I then positioned the angle iron in the seat. I used a 1/4" socket with a 1/4" 4" long socket extension and an adapter on my cordless drill. Starting on the right side, I positioned the angle iron where I wanted it and started drilling the right-most screw. One it drilled into the steel seat frame and the threads grabbed you want to stop. Now go onto the left-most screw and drill that one in (after you've repositioned the left side of the angle iron so its even across the lumbar support). Once the left-most screw is drilled in and the threads grab you want to also stop. Now take the socket and extension and use your 1/4" ratchet to snug the two self-tapping screws down. You want to snug them down by hand rather than the drill so you don't strip the new holes. Snug is good. There is no need to overtighten otherwise you'll strip the metal.

    With the two outside screws installed, drill a third one in the center. You may have to push the lumbar support into the seat to give yourself access with the drill.

    The finished product (and it works great!):


    Looks as good as new (driver on left and passenger on right):





    Now that the lumbar support is fixed it is time to focus our attention to the seat back. Your seat back most likely contains two broken lower clips. These plastic clips allow the seat back to sit on the two metal tabs on the seat frame. Three push style clips hold the upper portion of the seat back in place.

    Using the ToeCutter's write-up and my passenger side seat back as a guide, I went to work bending the 1/8" x 1" flat aluminum plate to make clips that look similar to the OEM plastic ones. I started with using a wood-working chisel to shave down the plastic ridges within the seat back (where the clip broke). With that cleaned up the flat aluminum will rest nicely in place.

    I cut two aluminum plates to, about, 2inches long (give or take). I eye-balled it. I then drilled a 3/16" hole in each one for the bolt that will attach it to the seat back. Use the metal file and file down all the aluminum burrs from cutting and drilling. I then drilled two 3/16" holes in the seat back.

    Using a bench-vise, channel lock pliers and a dead-blow plastic hammer I bend each aluminum tab to resemble the OEM clip shape. I'd make a few bends and then compare my clip to the OEM clip in my passenger side seat back. This took some finesse but it came out almost identical to OEM.

    My clip on the left and OEM on the right:


    Here is the finished product bolted to the seat back with some nice, clean looking, stainless steel allen head bolts:





    OEM clip:


    Installation of the seat back back into the seat is as follows:
    Slide the lower portion ontop of the two metal tabs within the seat back. Push down until bottomed out. Then snap the three upper clips into the seat. Push each vertical side into the seat to verify everything is fully inserted.

    The finished product is as such (driver/fixed on left and passenger/OEM on right):


    close-up of my fixed driver seat:


    There you have it. All fixed. I reinstalled the seats and now I can move onto the next project. Hmm.. I think that will be removing the entire front end and removal of the intake manifold for paint. The 2.0L is coming in a few weeks.....
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    VERY NICE!!
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    GREAT WRITE UP!!! Thanks dougyfresh.

    This has to be the stongest/cheapest fix for the B6 lumar support. On the seat back bottom clips, I used longer allen head screws to line up the clips in the metal tabs with slots and keep from any lateral movement.
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Audi does make a repair kit for this issue...

    Part number is 8E0 898 397 you can buy it for about $25 at the dealer.

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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    how do you take the back panels w/ the netting off the seat? just pull?
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    It is not a wise idea to just pull on them as you will tear the base for the metal clip off the interior seatback.

    The correct way to remove them is with a panel remover which looks like a wide, flat, v shaped screwdriver. A BBQ fork will work.

    You pop the upper clips off and swing the top away from the seat and pull up on it.

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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Audi does make a repair kit for this issue...

    Part number is 8E0 898 397 you can buy it for about $25 at the dealer.

    This kit was $45 at both my local dealers and only one had it in stock. This kit doesn't correct the broken Lumbar suport bracket either, it just replaces the clips with an upgraded system to keep the seat back from popping out.
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    It is not a wise idea to just pull on them as you will tear the base for the metal clip off the interior seatback.

    The correct way to remove them is with a panel remover which looks like a wide, flat, v shaped screwdriver. A BBQ fork will work.

    You pop the upper clips off and swing the top away from the seat and pull up on it.
    okay. thanks. i wouldnt have tried pulling it anyway. just something else to fix.
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    I have to do this, but i dont want to have to drill holes in the plastic to mount the bottom clips. I cant really think of another way of doing it either yet.

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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Nice write up. Im sure you have a ton of material left over 36 and 48 inches is alot. If you want to get rid of some of it ill buy a piece of each from you. I need to do the same fix you did. Just thought you prob have a lot extra..... PM me with info if your interested.
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Hmm...what about the banana? Is that used for anything?
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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    Quote Originally Posted by vdubstreets View Post
    I have to do this, but i dont want to have to drill holes in the plastic to mount the bottom clips. I cant really think of another way of doing it either yet.
    In order to fix the rear panel clips without drilling, use the repair kit from Audi. The steel hooks in the repair kit snap into the existing plastic holders. It's fast and the result is very strong. The kit also includes a couple of felt pads to place over the seat back that the steel hooks touch the sheet metal, to avoid any noises.

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    Re: Another mighty-fine method to fix your lumbar support

    The banana gives you the potassium to keep going


    Those were the shortest lengths of aluminum Home Depot had at the time. The shorter lengths were sold out. I figured I'd use it again for something else on another project.
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    Had this exact problem on my Audi A4 3.0 2002. Both the bottom clips had snapped. Previous owner had just clued the panel on to hold, when I adjusted the lumbar first time it all came apart. Frustrating!
    My solution: without taking the panel off at all I just found a wodden rolling pin in the drawer - normally just used for baking cakes. I popped it in there against the lumbar bottom resting on and against the metal frame. The rolling pin is just 16 inch long and fits perfectly. I then attached the panel at the bottom with velcro and everything is sitting in place. POINT: you can fix this with a piece of wood and some cheap velcro. Very pleased with this cheap fox. It didnt cost me a penny :)
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    When mine broke I bought a used one on EBay from a later model car from the passenger side. Updated design from what my 2003 came with. That required me to use the later model drive motors. I left my motor brackets attached to the seat frame and only swapped the motors.

    $90 on EBay and no custom parts to fab, and it works like new. Passenger side units are interchangeable and have a lot less usage.
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    How long should this surgery take? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin C View Post
    When mine broke I bought a used one on EBay from a letter model car from the passenger side. Updated design from what my 2003 came with. That required me to use the later model drive motors. I left my motor brackets attached to the seat frame and only swapped the motors.

    $90 on EBay and no custom parts to fab, and it works like new. Passenger side units are interchangeable and have a lot less usage.
    You have a link to eBay? Or some title to search for?

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    PN : 8E0881891A The only trick is you need to swap the motors into your existing motor brackets. Despite being a newer design, the rest of it swaps over no problem.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/FRONT-SEAT-...VZtwF9&vxp=mtr
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay5150 View Post
    How long should this surgery take? Thanks!

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    It took me a couple of hours. Most of that was drilling the rivets that held the motors to the brackets. The support itself is kind of a pain. It took a couple of tries to get the hooks in. Awesome now that it's fixed.
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    My A4 B7 driver seat lumbar support popped one day. I took the seat back cover off, saw that a rivet at the bottom center of the mechanism had sheared off. All I did was cut out that broken rivet and replaced it with a nut and bolt. Works fine now.

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