hi......got questions about a rs6 setup i wana run ! :)

[hyperlight944]

anyways plans for the car are as follows tune from vast with 60lb injectors, rs6 turbos with rods, valve springs, retainers, and upgraded bolts(needed?) along with a front mount with a 2in 1 out design along with upgraded fan. Also im upgrading the oil lines to bigger ones and prob will have them wrapped to keep out heat from the manis .Other things i though of doing are oil cooler(s) possibly either wrapping the exhaust manifolds with exhaust wrap or having them ceramic coated .... ill also being porting them myself. also thinking of phenolic intake spacers and the lower compression head gasket 034( i think) sells as well as having the rings and seals and sleeves all changed on the engine . another thing i thought of doing is new upgraded pistons and valves but im not sure if theyre needed. and eventually water meth in the system. if i do pistons im thinking i might port the cylinder barely just to get like a fresh start kinda like unused metal lol but if pistons aren't needed this wont happen .... anything i missed? lol

oh and what clutch should i run... i was looking at
the stage 3 vast sells but can it hold this power?

also anyone who's done this i know the price of the rods, retainers , and springs is around 1500 but what about other things like does the motor need to be rebalanced? cus i know a reputable shop to build and clean and balance it and put everything in it lol but they want 1200ish soo im not sure which route to go yet so any insight is helpful thanks!

[saucys4]

do yourself a favor and save a little money and enough with the smilies. most could probably piece together a gt28 kit cheaper than all that stuff would cost you. if your going the rs6 route, all you need are the turbos, fueling, and rods with an adequate intercooler and clutch. vast stg3 is fine, your acting like your having a 1000whp application.

[AudiA4_20T]

anyways plans for the car are as follows tune from vast with 60lb injectors, rs6 turbos with rods, valve springs, retainers, and upgraded bolts(needed?) along with a front mount with a 2in 1 out design along with upgraded fan. Also im upgrading the oil lines to bigger ones and prob will have them wrapped to keep out heat from the manis .Other things i though of doing are oil cooler(s) possibly either wrapping the exhaust manifolds with exhaust wrap or having them ceramic coated .... ill also being porting them myself. also thinking of phenolic intake spacers and the lower compression head gasket 034( i think) sells as well as having the rings and seals and sleeves all changed on the engine . another thing i thought of doing is new upgraded pistons and valves but im not sure if theyre needed. and eventually water meth in the system. if i do pistons im thinking i might port the cylinder barely just to get like a fresh start kinda like unused metal lol but if pistons aren't needed this wont happen .... anything i missed? lol

oh and what clutch should i run... i was looking at
the stage 3 vast sells but can it hold this power?

also anyone who's done this i know the price of the rods, retainers , and springs is around 1500 but what about other things like does the motor need to be rebalanced? cus i know a reputable shop to build and clean and balance it and put everything in it lol but they want 1200ish soo im not sure which route to go yet so any insight is helpful thanks!

your ready to throw down $10k? I would do a GT kit as well

[generationjdm]

ya 1000% complete over kill for rs6ss, to be honest I wouldn't even do rods with the rs6ss, but thats just me... Your talking about spending well over 10k for 50-70hp over the rs4 turbo..

[hyperlight944]

sooo i heard 500-550 hp on pump gas but i could be wrong i wana do the rs6 setup cus its easy unless some one can pm me a price of a gt setup maybe id do that but im just looking for something like 500whp with not so bad spool time on pump gas thanks guys

---daniel

[torment]

STFA dude.

[lil' is 300]

sooo i heard 500-550 hp on pump gas but i could be wrong i wana do the rs6 setup cus its easy unless some one can pm me a price of a gt setup maybe id do that but im just looking for something like 500whp with not so bad spool time on pump gas thanks guys

---daniel

You really don't seem like you know what you're getting yourself into in terms of cost. When everything is said and done and labor is paid for you absolutely will be over 15,000+ and that's being conservative.

[hyperlight944]

damn i didnt think of cost being that muh since id be doing most the work myself except putting in rods springs and retainers which would cost me 1200 at a shop i know but i think i might just do rods and call it a day but we will see

[sean1.8t]

yeah, i really don't understand replacing kkk turbo's with more kkk turbo's.

GT's man. it's the best solution..

if i had an S4, i'd totally skip the rs6's and go for some gt2560s at LEAST..

and you're building the head, might as well go with some gt28rs's to take advantage of the higher revs

[CHEROHALA]

I have an EPL rs6 stg4 setup with basically everything you mentioned. Its one of the best cars i've ever driven and a total beast. Agreed its not the fastest S4 possible but its a great build for autoX and as a daily driver. At 28psi the car is a handful! And with the Meth/water injection, I promise you wont lose too many races. In terms of cash, its expensive no doubt.

What type of car are you trying to build? 1/4 monster? autoXer? DailyDriver? For the latter 2, you don't need GT25s. IMO, an s4 isnt an ideal 1/4 mile car anyway. So if thats how you get your jollies, you can build a real track beast for 1/3 of a stg3 s4 on a different platform. good luck, PM with questions

[hyperlight944]

I have an EPL rs6 stg4 setup with basically everything you mentioned. Its one of the best cars i've ever driven and a total beast. Agreed its not the fastest S4 possible but its a great build for autoX and as a daily driver. At 28psi the car is a handful! And with the Meth/water injection, I promise you wont lose too many races. In terms of cash, its expensive no doubt.

What type of car are you trying to build? 1/4 monster? autoXer? DailyDriver? For the latter 2, you don't need GT25s. IMO, an s4 isnt an ideal 1/4 mile car anyway. So if thats how you get your jollies, you can build a real track beast for 1/3 of a stg3 s4 on a different platform. good luck, PM with questions

im actually looking for the 1st (occasionally) and the 3d definitely about auto x i doubt maybe 1 to 5 times in this car lol but i never have other than some spirited runs in the mountains when i go on vaca in NC im planning on runiing a 2 in 1 out fmic so i heard thats bad for auto x anyways
any more thoughts or idears guys?

---daniel

[generationjdm]

I have an EPL rs6 stg4 setup with basically everything you mentioned. Its one of the best cars i've ever driven and a total beast. Agreed its not the fastest S4 possible but its a great build for autoX and as a daily driver. At 28psi the car is a handful! And with the Meth/water injection, I promise you wont lose too many races. In terms of cash, its expensive no doubt.

What type of car are you trying to build? 1/4 monster? autoXer? DailyDriver? For the latter 2, you don't need GT25s. IMO, an s4 isnt an ideal 1/4 mile car anyway. So if thats how you get your jollies, you can build a real track beast for 1/3 of a stg3 s4 on a different platform. good luck, PM with questions

Don't no why people think that running gt25 are only track cars, thats kinda of funny when the gt25 car spools faster and makes more hp with way less boost everywhere including down stairs then the rs6ss.. Theres a handful of people autox gt25ss.. Sure you don't need GTSS but why spend basically the same money with less parts to achieve less performance using more boost and then be limited in further performance, doesn't make any sense to me..

[CHEROHALA]

1) Reliability, almost no custom fab work required.
2) Easier to tune
3) Less labor since RS6 turbo bolt to exhaust manifolds

How many GT cars are there, 2-3 dozen-maybe less? Why aren't known tuners building GT packages?

[CHEROHALA]

im actually looking for the 1st (occasionally) and the 3d definitely about auto x i doubt maybe 1 to 5 times in this car lol but i never have other than some spirited runs in the mountains when i go on vaca in NC im planning on runiing a 2 in 1 out fmic so i heard thats bad for auto x anyways
any more thoughts or idears guys?

---daniel

I'm running ER SMIC since I've seen many overheating issues with FMIC in B5s4s

[hyperlight944]

hmmm i want er's but idk i cant justify 1300 on intercoolers... and everyone ive talked to has no issues with overheating hmm

[saucys4]

Don't no why people think that running gt25 are only track cars, thats kinda of funny when the gt25 car spools faster and makes more hp with way less boost everywhere including down stairs then the rs6ss.. Theres a handful of people autox gt25ss.. Sure you don't need GTSS but why spend basically the same money with less parts to achieve less performance using more boost and then be limited in further performance, doesn't make any sense to me..

exactly.

[Sleeeper X]

hmmm i want er's but idk i cant justify 1300 on intercoolers... and everyone ive talked to has no issues with overheating hmm

....Your willing to spend about 10K in a 10 year old car.....but that last 1,300 is the deal breaker. Call up any tuner and figure out what you want to do, because you seriously don't know what you want right now.

[generationjdm]

1) Reliability, almost no custom fab work required.
2) Easier to tune
3) Less labor since RS6 turbo bolt to exhaust manifolds

How many GT cars are there, 2-3 dozen-maybe less? Why aren't known tuners building GT packages?

Actually theres more gt cars then rs6 cars and tuning is tuning one doesn't tune better then the other.. It takes way more time to tune a car at 28+lbs then 22lbs.. Actually theres no more or less time involved on doing either, both setups need the manifolds off to change the gaskets and the gt stuff has mostly V band so theres less bolts with the gt stuff then the kkk stuff... Reliability is greater always on a turbo that runs less boost ..

[hyperlight944]

so how much for a gt25 kit then? total planning on doing rods ssooo what power would i be making .... and to the guy above no 1300 isnt the dealbreaker i just think that the companys charge way to much for products that shouldnt cost so much

[Das General]

Personally. If you are gonna spend the money you should go with a GT setup. Especially if you are gonna do rods and various other motor work.

They are fairly cost effective when compared to RS6's. RS6's are great, but I think there is still room to improve.

[Das General]

so how much for a gt25 kit then? total planning on doing rods ssooo what power would i be making .... and to the guy above no 1300 isnt the dealbreaker i just think that the companys charge way to much for products that shouldnt cost so much

that can vary..you can expect to pay 7-8k for the basics.. not including rods or labor. it adds up quickly. then you have to do fueling/tuning... talk to Shaun (GenJDM) about GTKits, he knows his stuff and if you are serious about it, he can set you up.

[generationjdm]

Honestly it all depends on what your looking for if you wish for 500whp and under then leave the motor stock and bolt a kit on..

[Das General]

Yup. That has been done before. Assuming Greg was close to 500whp. Granted he could have really taken advantage of his car if his motor had some work done to it.

[Sleeeper X]

To me this has been the range.

RS4-K04s = loads of fun, not to expensive. Loads of parts and tunes. 400-450ish hp range
RS6's= the max a stock block can take, not to many parts but enough. 450-500ish hp range
Gt25s= the best Gt setup. Not to much spool time, loads of power. 500+range
Gt28s= Over kill. Full spool at 4K, ungodly amounts of power, needs a built motor. 500+ range.

To me anything over pjk04s is really just not necessary if you dont plan to track, race, or road race your car. We do have speed limits, and if you say that your going to follow all speed limits....then wtf was the point of modding your car?

[hyperlight944]

haah my father asks the same thing tommy gunn and my answer is because i enjoy it lol but back on taskwith gt25's i dont need to build the motor? i mean i was thingking of doing rods because its a kind of insurance if you will and while there do new rings, seals, and bearings ..... i have a company that will clean and make everything like new and fully assemble the engine with what i stated above for 1200 so that 1200 plus 1500ish or more to just the engine but with those new things its pretty much a new engine so thats a pretty 3k just there ... now turbos and manifolds... price = unknown to me but some one plz chime in on this i wana use 25's if i go the gt route btw and if any1 is on now and would like to speak to me through aim mine is hyperlight900 genjdm you especially . in short i want a reliable (ish) 500-550 whp s4 tia


---daniel

[Sleeeper X]

I'm not trying to be a prick or anything lol. I'm going to have k04s on my car very soon and save up to do a 25 kit so i know what you mean lol. I kinda regret at times the ungodly amounts of money you spend.... I coulda bought a 2.5rs and do an sti sway with build for the price i'm going to do my stage3+..... the price you pay to be different.

[purchasers4]

I have the tial 650 kit. It bolts to stock manifolds which is nice. Expect to pay about 8500 for the kit with fueling, another 1200 or so for intercoolers, another 1500 or so for clutch and flywheel, then anywhere from 0-2500 for downpipes + exhaust depending on what you have now.

Then there are the typical "Audi" costs: EGT sensors, 02 sensors, bad secondary water pump, etc etc... Make sure you have 2-3k for ongoing maintenance.

All of those costs are the same for the RS6 kit, except the RS6 turbos + fueling will be about a thousand less.

The tial kit is dual GT28s which will make your desired 500whp, and they are ball bearing which is nice if you plan on keeping the car for a while.

If you are going to have someone else install this stuff, add another $3k.

[AudiA4_20T]

or you could do a single turbo kit for cheap

[Sleeeper X]

I was going to get the TIAL kit, but i just didnt have that extra 3k for the on going nightmare, I mean for the "typical audi costs"....

[hyperlight944]

no id be doing the install myself .. as stated above i think ... my father was a german car mech for 27 and worked at porsche braman audi for like 14 of thos years haha but i deff gotta look into this tial kit cus i think mani's are gonna be mad expensive ... as for dp's i think i could have a friend who has a metal shop cut me some new flanges and weld them to my awe dp's but we will see

cheers
---daniel

[purchasers4]

If you already have AWE downpipes, they will bolt directly to the Tial flanges with no modifications. They will also bolt directly to the ASP RS6 turbos.