Pic request: 19" RS6 reps on a B7 S-line

[ekaufman]

Is anyone running the fat spoke 5 star RS6 wheel on their B7? I have a black B7 S-line and was wondering how these will look.

Im also considering the r8 reps, but they have a very open look to them.

They look pretty good on this RS4:


Ive seen someone on here with those wheels on a silver B7, but I cant remember where. Post any images you know of.

[Snipps]

My car has those wheels but theyre 17s..., i doubt you want a pic

[Louis J.]

19" RS6 look phenomenal on our cars. There's a silver B7 s-line near my office with those wheels and it looks great. I thought about getting them but decided that RS4s in gunmetal gray will look much better on my black titanium. Not a B7 but here's a pic I found when I was looking for a reference.

[ekaufman]

Snipps, Did you get the replica version? If so, from where, and are you happy with the quality of them?

[ekaufman]

19" RS6 look phenomenal on our cars. There's a silver B7 s-line near my office with those wheels and it looks great. I thought about getting them but decided that RS4s in gunmetal gray will look much better on my black titanium. Not a B7 but here's a pic I found when I was looking for a reference.

Thats my old A4, exactly, except I had the ultrasport wheels. Youre right though, those RS6s do look good, and probably even better on a B7 with its more fat body look.

Anyone ever buy them from someone other than Hartmann? I found a set on eBay that are 19x8 ET30. Thats a pretty aggressive offset, but i think it woudl look good with no spacers needed.

[Louis J.]

Oh yeah, I remember offsets being kinda funky on these wheels. 8" width and ET30 might work if your car is low with decent negative camber.

[ekaufman]

Sorry man, you'll have to explain negative camber to me.

Just so you know, Im currently on the stock sport suspension on an 08 S-line. Im considering lowering it on Eibach coil covers, but not sure if I need to spend the extra cash all at once.

ET30 should work on the sport suspension with a 235/35/19, right?

[Louis J.]

Yes they'll fit but they might poke.

Negative Camber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camber_angle

Always remember to search.

[MOFSTEEL]

Sorry man, you'll have to explain negative camber to me.

Just so you know, Im currently on the stock sport suspension on an 08 S-line. Im considering lowering it on Eibach coil covers, but not sure if I need to spend the extra cash all at once.

ET30 should work on the sport suspension with a 235/35/19, right?

I believe the 19" Rs6 reps from Hartmann come in either a ET45 or ET35.
I would go with the ET35 all around and the 235/35/19's. They will look great.

[ekaufman]

Thanks Louis. I actually just called lakeshorewheelandtire.com, who seem to be the only company selling the hyper silver version, besides Hartmann. The guy I talked to said that they usually have to put spacers on S-line a4s because of the suspension, but also said 5mm usually does it.

Why would the standard B7 not need them, but the S-line would?

Are there any other companies besides Hartmann and Lakeshore who sell these suckers?

[MOFSTEEL]

I know nothing about this company but here you go.

http://www.1010tires.com/wheel.asp?w...model=Audi+RS6

[IceMole]

Check PM

[ekaufman]

Thanks for the link.

Is it just me, or do the versions at that 1010tire place look like they have much more pronounced dimension to the spoke? In other words, the angled off edge looks to be much more visible. Maybe its just the pic. I just want them to look like they do on that RS4 pic in the OP.

I may have to take the financial hit and get the Hartmann version.

[Louis J.]

Lakeshore and Hartmann and IIRC tires.com are some of the largest retailers. You can find a number of sets on eBay as well. Whatever you buy, make sure you understand what offset you're buying as there are a number of combinations of rim width and offset, some of which won't fit our cars. You ideally want to end up between ET32 and ET38 on an 8" wide wheel so you may have to use a spacer. And no, there is no difference between the s-line and non s-line regarding offset.

[ekaufman]

Louis, so at ET30, Id be OK on the stock sport suspension, but I probably couldnt lower it. You mentioned not wanting to go lower than 32, but will that extra 2mm out make a difference?

The reason Im asking is that the 2 places with reasonable prices have 19x8 ET30. I definitely dont understand the fit issues through and through, but wouldnt the 8" wheel width with ET30, be similar to an 8.5" wide wheel at ET 42, being that 0.5" = about 12mm.

Or does it have more to do with the cut/mold of the wheel?

Either way, thanks for the info. You guys are great.

[Louis J.]

Here's some more background info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offset_(wheel)
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

To answer your question, 19x8 ET30 could rub a bit based on previous comments that ET32 on an 8" wheel seems to be as aggressive as you can go without rubbing, especially if you're car is NOT lowered. As you lower your car, you will achieve more negative camber which will help tuck the top of the wheel under the wheel well. So if you lower your car, you will improve your chances of having no rubbing issues. The tire brand will also make a difference because all tires have different shoulder design and while you may have issues with one brand, you won't with another. Would I buy these wheels??? Yes.

Also, please do yourself a favor and get an alignment after you install coils. Most people here don't do this for some reason but it makes a very big difference for the ~$100 or so it costs. I went with RS4 specs and -1.3 camber on all four corners, matching the camber in the front, which is not adjustable and is dictated by the height of your car.
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[ekaufman]

Lakeshore also has a version of the wheel that is 19x8 ET45. Would that be a safer bet with 10mm spacers to push it out more towards the fender? I mean, my stock 17s are ET43, so I dont want them in any further than they already are.

Does putting 10mm spacers on an ET45 wheel directly equate to a 35mm offset?

Thanks again for being Johnny info for this thread. I wish I had you on speed dial.

[Louis J.]

Hey, no prob. If it were me, I'd go for the ET30 wheels over the ET45s + a 10mm spacer. You don't want the extra expense (~$300), weight or potential vibration. If you really want to be safe, get the ET30 wheels with 225 series tires but I honestly think you'll be okay. Here's a post with 8" wheels and ET30:

http://audizine.com/forum/showthread...highlight=et30

Looks perfect IMO and if you go lower with your car, they'll sit even better.

[ekaufman]

OK, Louis, Ive got another question for you. Do you know anyone who makes replicas of the Oettinger RXX wheel? Its similar in design to this 5 spoke RS6 we are talking about, but I couldnt find anyone making a replica of it (cant afford $900/wheel).

[darin1274]

I have these wheels on my car! I got them from Lakeshore with the 45mm...the fronts require a 5mm spacer to clear the front brakes..I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do out back due to my neg camber. I have 5mm in the rear but its not enough....

[darin1274]

BTW- here is my car...

[ekaufman]

Darin, thanks for the pics.

Are you happy with the quality of the wheels you got from Lakeshore?

You also looked lowered significantly further than I'll be on the stock sport suspension.

[Louis J.]

ekaufman: No clue. I'd stick with the RS6 idea.

Darin: Your car looks great!

[MOFSTEEL]

So why aren't you going with the Hartmann reps?
They would be your best bet at ET35.

BTW i've never seen a rep for the RXX wheel.
I was looking into this wheel a few months ago and had gotten
quotes for under $500 a wheel so if you research you could find a good price on them. The thing is they weigh close to 30lbs a piece.

[darin1274]

I'm happy with them and they are made in Italy. Just had to figure out what spacers would work out front....I wanted the 19x9's for the rear, but I still havent called to find out what offset they are..I would suggest you go with the 30mm instead of the 45's like me. Thats the only thing I would do over!

one bonus with Lakeshore is the free shipping!

Thanks for the comments!

[MOFSTEEL]

I would NOT suggest the 30ET.
There is a VERY good chance you would rub.

Here is my car with a ET32.

[Louis J.]

That's because you have minimal or no camber. As I said before, 19x8 ET30 will likely not rub if the car is lowered with appropriate camber. Here are my 8.5" wide wheels with ET32 and -1.3 camber, and no, my car is not slammed:

[darin1274]

keep in mind...he's not gonna lower his car. He is gonna roll stock sport susp.

[MOFSTEEL]

Negative camber is great for cornering power and the turn-in but
also results in uneven tire wear. If it were me Id go with the ET35 but thats just what I would do. Make your choice as you see fit.

[BadLuckB7]

on my old set up of LM reps i had 19x8.5" et20 (15mm spacers) with a 225 tire and my car is pretty dumpted...no rub a dub dub

im pretty sure et30 with appropriate camber will have no problem.

[ekaufman]

I am sticking with the stock sport suspension initially, with thoughts of lowering in the future, but I'll need a wheel that bolts on and doesnt rub with my current set up.

As for not getting the Hartmanns, I would like to, but they are about $500 more expensive all said and done (which is my blackout grille and filler plate).

Ultimately, wouldnt the safe option be going with the ET45s and getting 10mm spacers? Lakeshore throws in 5mm spacers for free, so maybe I could talk them into 10mm.

Thanks again for all the advice and info.

[Louis J.]

keep in mind...he's not gonna lower his car. He is gonna roll stock sport susp.

My comments are based on prior discussion about him wanting to lower his car and my replies as to how lowering his car will automatically increase negative camber.

Negative camber is great for cornering power and the turn-in but also results in uneven tire wear. If it were me Id go with the ET35 but thats just what I would do. Make your choice as you see fit.

I agree that ET35 would be ideal unless the car is going to get lowered and a wider stance is desired in which case ET30 would work best.

And yes, negative camber results in uneven wear but only with very aggressive camber in the -2.5+ range. My other car is set at -2.0F and -1.75R and I have completely even tire wear. Also as an FYI, upgrades like coils, swaybars, light weight wheels and sticky tires won't do much for the handling of your car if it's not aligned to make optimum use of them. Your car clearly isn't so you may want to consider getting an alignment.

[Louis J.]

Ultimately, wouldnt the safe option be going with the ET45s and getting 10mm spacers? Lakeshore throws in 5mm spacers for free, so maybe I could talk them into 10mm.

You will regret going with ET45 for two reasons. First, it's basically the stock offset so you'll have to use spacers. Second, if you're going to use spacers, you should only use quality spacers like H&R or Stasis. A set is going to run you ~$300+. The "free" spacers are very cheap quality and unless you like playing Russian roulette, they should never be used. At the very least, I can assure you they will cause vibration at speed after a while.

I honetsly don't think you'll have issues with the ET30s. My wheels are the equivalent of 8" wide wheels with ET26 and I don't rub (though I'm running -1.3 camber).

[ekaufman]

Thanks Louis. I definitely want the flush look of ET30, but I also dont want to have a set of wheels sent to me that dont work.

From the sounds of it, I'll be close, but safe with the 8" wide wheel and ET30 on the stock sport susp. Or I pay another $500 and get the Hartmanns. Or I just get another wheel. I just like the fat look of the RS6 rep on the B7. Who knows, maybe I'll fall into the RS4 rep trap. I guess I just want to put an Audi wheel on my car ans keep it looking as sporty/stock as possible.

[MOFSTEEL]

And yes, negative camber results in uneven wear but only with very aggressive camber in the -2.5+ range. My other car is set at -2.0F and -1.75R and I have completely even tire wear. Also as an FYI, upgrades like coils, swaybars, light weight wheels and sticky tires won't do much for the handling of your car if it's not aligned to make optimum use of them. Your car clearly isn't so you may want to consider getting an alignment.

ANY negative camber will result in uneven tire wear over time.

My car is aligned and corner balanced.
Thanks for your suggestion.

[Lunar50]

mofsteel...how wide are your wheels?

[MOFSTEEL]

mofsteel...how wide are your wheels?

8.5"

[ekaufman]

8.5"

mofsteel, if youre wheel is 8.5" ET32, wouldnt I be in good shape with a 8" wheel at ET30? That wouldnt be as far out as your set up, correct?

Plus, dont I have more wiggle room than you guys do since Im on the stock sport suspension?

[MOFSTEEL]

mofsteel, if youre wheel is 8.5" ET32, wouldnt I be in good shape with a 8" wheel at ET30? That wouldnt be as far out as your set up, correct?

Plus, dont I have more wiggle room than you guys do since Im on the stock sport suspension?

You would be further out with an ET30 and using the same tires.
Your stock suspension MIGHT be fine with that offset but I believe
I read you will lower it in the future so why not think about that now instead of later?
To your question of would 2mm really matter. YES, every mm matters.

[Louis J.]

ANY negative camber will result in uneven tire wear over time.

My car is aligned and corner balanced.
Thanks for your suggestion.

Really??? So how come virtually every performance car comes out of the factory with between -1 and -1.5 negative camber, including the RS4 and yet they don't experience uneven tire wear? Are you actually speaking from experience or are you just arbitrarily posting a general comment about something you read somewhere and have no experience with? Like I said before, tire wear does not become an issue until you have over -2.0 negative camber and I am speaking from both knowledge and personal experience. And the fact that your car is aligned and corner balanced means nothing if you have shitty settings but since you like "rolleyes" sarcastic smilies so much, here's some for ya.