thinking of buying give advice

[S1LVERBULLET119]

So currently i own 2 Mk3 jetta's (vr6 and 2.0) im a few months shy of 21 and looking to make some upgrades. i came across this b7 and am interested in it.

(http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...ealer_id=68950)

Price $24,921
Mileage 27,870
Body Style Sedan
Exterior Color Black
Interior Color Black
Engine 4 Cylinder Gasoline
Transmission Manual
Drive Type All wheel drive
Fuel Type Gasoline
Doors Four Door
Stock No. P4983
VIN WAUDF68E55A519756

Take a look and give me some advice guys, i need something practical as well as affordable, maintenance cant be worse than a mk3 vr6 so ill let that issue slide, feedback is much appreciated

[S1LVERBULLET119]

went to the dealer today, test drove, i liked it. Price came down to 23,777. +2k for tax and few other charges im looking at 25.5 all said and done. Thoughts?

[grimlock]

If it was me I'd get an S-line, Ti package would be nice too...

[jmon207]

My old roommate in MA used to be a car salesman what have you all ready disclosed to the sales person. Fess up and just so you dont think you're being flamed I took it real good on an f150 I bought hung over a few years ago.
Stop going back and looking at the car in the first 72 hrs or they will know they own you. I was literally chased down the street when I bought my WRX a few years ago with the simple take away. So were are you in the deal??
Go try to find the youngest sales person on Sat night and deal with him her they will be more interested in their plans that night than maxing profit on the car for them or the dealer thats tid bit numero uno. post back my answers if you want somemore help.

[B7A4Sport]

My old roommate in MA used to be a car salesman what have you all ready disclosed to the sales person. Fess up and just so you dont think you're being flamed I took it real good on an f150 I bought hung over a few years ago.
Stop going back and looking at the car in the first 72 hrs or they will know they own you. I was literally chased down the street when I bought my WRX a few years ago with the simple take away. So were are you in the deal??
Go try to find the youngest sales person on Sat night and deal with him her they will be more interested in their plans that night than maxing profit on the car for them or the dealer thats tid bit numero uno. post back my answers if you want somemore help.

Lol, you sound pretty knowledgeable, but how about this time let's not have your 9 year old transcribe your ideas, and you write 'em yourself.

[jmon207]

What is this an English test too? Go back to correcting 3rd graders english tests there B7A4 Sport I just woke up on my couch. By the way I'll take an F on the test too thanks! Ok, go let the kid get screwed by the dealer.

[Silververtu]

Seems like that car doesn't have premium pkg due to the 16" wheel, that means it doesn't have auto dimming mirrors, power passenger seat, home link system, etc. Although those items are not necessary, but wanna let you know what's missing.

[skiaudi]

i just got my car with 20,400 miles and its an 06 with a MT and the premium package and the cold weather package which this car does not appear to have for 25k out the door. i would not move on this car for more than 23500 all said and done; there are definitely better deals out there

[turbo4s]

I would not get it. Look around at your audi dealerships for a CPO. Get a car that has some packages. theres are A4's out there that have same amount of miles, same price, same year with more packages.

[grimlock]

I was looking at this one myself:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213597

The mileage is a bit higher than the cars that have been mentioned but the packages are top-notch. Pretty much fully loaded minus nav, and still under warranty. It's only 1K more than the car you're looking at but the packages alone are probably worth 3-4K sticker.

[S1LVERBULLET119]

well it has the cold weather package. The wheels im not crying over as they would be getting changed regardless. The car is going to sell at 23,777. Has a 100k warranty. with the lovely nys tax its goign to bring me up to 25,900. So the car is mint in every aspect with 27k miles, 100k warranty and a cold weather package. Financing thru audi unless the forums can put me down on my argument.

[grimlock]

well it has the cold weather package. The wheels im not crying over as they would be getting changed regardless. The car is going to sell at 23,777. Has a 100k warranty. with the lovely nys tax its goign to bring me up to 25,900. So the car is mint in every aspect with 27k miles, 100k warranty and a cold weather package. Financing thru audi unless the forums can put me down on my argument.

If you're planning on staying 100% stock, then maybe. But if you're planning on doing any kind of mods I'd say no, you'll probably end up spending more in the long run. It's a buyer's market right now, patience is priceless .

[S1LVERBULLET119]

suspension and wheels, small cosmetic mods. Wont be modifying the motor unless i hit lotto.

gas isssssssssssssssss TO MUCH.

[grimlock]

suspension and wheels, small cosmetic mods. Wont be modifying the motor unless i hit lotto.

gas isssssssssssssssss TO MUCH.

S-line body > stock body
Sport suspension > stock suspension

[80sGuy]

went to the dealer today, test drove, i liked it. Price came down to 23,777. +2k for tax and few other charges im looking at 25.5 all said and done. Thoughts?

Everybody needs to make a living - $19,500 sounds like a fair start to me, but I wouldn't go over $20,500. Here's a ballpark figure of what they acquired the car for...http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/Pric...itions=#survey

[B528QM]

Everybody needs to make a living - $19,500 sounds like a fair start to me, but I wouldn't go over $20,500. Here's a ballpark figure of what they acquired the car for...http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/Pric...itions=#survey

Dont even try and bring KBB in to this arguement... KBB is useless... you will never find an 05 A4 that cheap. If you do... It'll be all screwed to hell. BUT, feel free to prove me wrong by posting a for sale ad.

[Larson7.62]

In the next week or so I will be purchasing a 2005.5 A4 with 43k miles. It has premium, sport cold weather, along with a APR chip and 3m clear bra. 22.5k for the whole thing. I would pass that deal along even though it has lower mileage. I would personally want the sport package at least.

[S1LVERBULLET119]

well see, i like the fact that, no ones Touched this car. it has a warranty and i can finance with the low rate from audi. anyone wanna tell me what the sports pkg comes with over base, besides leather which i got.

[Larson7.62]

Perforated leather steering wheel, perforated leather shift knob, different suspension, different wheels.

IMO it should come with a bit more options for that price

[80sGuy]

Dont even try and bring KBB in to this arguement... KBB is useless... you will never find an 05 A4 that cheap. If you do... It'll be all screwed to hell. BUT, feel free to prove me wrong by posting a for sale ad.

KBB is the official book used by dealers (and auction houses) everywhere.
Here's just one, I'm sure there are many more...
Black on Black, Quattro, Xenon, New Tires, Fully loaded, Like new, One owner, Memory and heated seats....don't even give me the "this one's got like 9k more miles" because it's nothing compared to what this car's got, not to mention - California car!!!
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...eadExists=true

[Sanjman]

Those rims are disgusting... but if you are planning on upgrading go for it... some things I wish I had: stock bi-xenons, s-line package.

[Larson7.62]

Trying to find a decent price on an S-line package is very difficult. The lowest I've found in my area was $27k, and that didn't even have premium/cold weather. I think I would rather get a fully loaded non S-line and then upgrade later with that package or a different kit.

EDIT: 27k for a 6MT, about 24k for a Tip

[CapstoneJHS]

Wow, definitely not a deal at all.

Got my '06 2.0T Quattro 6MT with 34,600 miles for $20,500...found it on AutoTrader. I've posted a few pics of it on here already. It's not an S-Line, but it does have the auto-dimming mirrors, 17" wheels, etc.

[i_audi]

I got my 06 2.0T Quattro AT 22,000 miles, CPO, .9% financing for 26,300 back in April. I should have made them wait it out because I know they would have gone lower but the dealership was an hour away and I didnit want to make multiple trips (I was stupid). Then 3 weeks later at a different dealership they lower a fully loaded 06 (minus navi) from 29,900 to 26,500 -ugh!

[CardNation]

Lol, you sound pretty knowledgeable, but how about this time let's not have your 9 year old transcribe your ideas, and you write 'em yourself.

LMAO!

[B528QM]

KBB is the official book used by dealers (and auction houses) everywhere.
Here's just one, I'm sure there are many more...
Black on Black, Quattro, Xenon, New Tires, Fully loaded, Like new, One owner, Memory and heated seats....don't even give me the "this one's got like 9k more miles" because it's nothing compared to what this car's got, not to mention - California car!!!
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...eadExists=true

Yes, and KBB say $17 and change for a clean car... The car you posted is $21k +

[Larson7.62]

KBB is hit or miss. For example, it says the selling value of my Ford Explorer is 10.5k, when really it is less. It says about 19k for a 2005.5 audi, which I have seen none of except at one dealership that is known to sell damaged cars.

[Louis J.]

Lol, you sound pretty knowledgeable, but how about this time let's not have your 9 year old transcribe your ideas, and you write 'em yourself.

LOL.

Dont even try and bring KBB in to this arguement... KBB is useless... you will never find an 05 A4 that cheap. If you do... It'll be all screwed to hell. BUT, feel free to prove me wrong by posting a for sale ad.

KBB is useless on low-supply/high demand cars but since there's plenty of A4s around, KBB works just fine for establishing a ballpark value on A4s, you just need to know how to use it:

Trade-in Value = wholesale value - what the dealer paid and not a hope in hell you'll but it for this price

Private Party Value = what you can and should pay for the car

Suggested Retail Price = every dealer's dream

well it has the cold weather package. The wheels im not crying over as they would be getting changed regardless. The car is going to sell at 23,777. Has a 100k warranty. with the lovely nys tax its goign to bring me up to 25,900. So the car is mint in every aspect with 27k miles, 100k warranty and a cold weather package. Financing thru audi unless the forums can put me down on my argument.

The car is very rich for a base A4. For $24k, take your time and find yourself an s-line. It'll take time but you can get one under you budget. I recently purchased a 2006 S-line titanium package, manual, quattro with 32k mi, well optioned except navi and xenons for $23,800. The car also came with APR93 and Carbonio (worth $1k). I got a very, very good deal but it took me two months of looking to find it and I had to ship it from the East Coast to the West Coast. Good luck with your search.

[Noffy]

Doesn't seem like it is "fully loaded" I got my 05.5 about a year ago for 1k more with every possible package and 10k less miles, it seems to me like you could do better on price. Beautiful car though

[80sGuy]

'Kelley Blue Book' is just a guide, an official one that is and it is very useful. It does not mean that if a vehicle that was calculated (based on the three tiers) Fair, Good or Excellent - for example: for fair condition; therefore $17,000 should not be taken as the final purchase/trade-in value but only as a start...

...then...

You have to deduct/add for: miles, features/options, physical condition, mechanical condition, color (depending on demand and if you're comparing a Dolphin Gray to a Beige, then you should know which one brings in the premium $$$), etc..
All these plus there are schedules in the back of the actual subscribed book/installed software that dealers/auction houses uses.
Sort of like when you're filing your income taxes - whether you're trying to squeeze for more or prevent not to pay for as much as you can.

[jmon207]

Lol, you sound pretty knowledgeable, but how about this time let's not have your 9 year old transcribe your ideas, and you write 'em yourself.

Wow I gotz it good! At least some of you gave the kid some good advice.

[80sGuy]

Yes, and KBB say $17 and change for a clean car... The car you posted is $21k +

The car I posted is either 'Private Party' or 'Suggested Retail Value'; either case, it is still much lower than market value. The link I sent earlier was to give you an idea as to how much that the guys from the dealer had paid for the car. You can't expect to get $17,000 just because I posted the figure based on Kelley. Depending on the market, they're either going to take a hit or addition, in this case (for Audi A4s), I'm sure whomever sold or traded in that car didn't take that much of a hit since A4s are pretty hot these days.

[PolishPete]

KBB is the official book used by dealers (and auction houses) everywhere.
Here's just one, I'm sure there are many more...
Black on Black, Quattro, Xenon, New Tires, Fully loaded, Like new, One owner, Memory and heated seats....don't even give me the "this one's got like 9k more miles" because it's nothing compared to what this car's got, not to mention - California car!!!
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...eadExists=true

KBB is not the official guide of any dealer. KBB does nothing for you except give you an amount somewhere in the range. Thats it. Ever hear of Black Book. That's what dealers use. Its not really a guide like KBB, but its referred to as the Black Book. Dealers will buy cars at what the current auction dictates. If you go to trade in your car, they will look up the last few that sold at auction, and give you that as a starting trade in value. You can go up from there if you haggle, but they will always say thats what the cars worth. That way, they won't loose money on the car if they have to flip it at auction 2 months later if it doesn't sell.

KBB is a joke in a dealers eyes. If you bring in KBB, they smile at you.

I have a cousin and friend who have worked in dealerships for the past 6 years. There isn't a lot I don't know about the goings on in dealers. The cousin is a sales manager at a Volvo store, and the friend a salesman. (aside from leases, those are new to me)

To the OP...find someone who can get you recent auction prices. Figure they own the car for that, add a little for their prep to get it into sale condition (cleaning, new tires, breaks, oil, etc... whatevers needed), plus at minimum $500 profit. Unless it's a new car, there's no incentive for them to lose money, so they must have some profit to sell it to you. Thats their lowest price. (THIS GOES FOR USED CARS, new cars its a whole different story)

[80sGuy]

Sure, there is a 'Gold Book' too if you want to go that far and if you want to talk about dealer auctions, look no further than one of the biggest (if not, the biggest) auction houses in the nation: Manheim Auction in Georgia (also publisher of the Gold Book). Dealers across the states would scrap up all opportunities to attend their auctions w/o hesitation.

Kelley is one of the official guides and it is widely used still to this day (whether it be dealer, auctions or even private parties). Some use NADA and others like you've mentioned utilizes Canada's version of Hearst's 'Black Book'. I'm not saying Kelley is the only guide out there, but it is still an official guide and the Black Book is nothing more than a glorified version of the official Blue Book, plus some auction ticker or two.

Yeah, they'll laugh at you when you bring in a bunch of printouts from kbb.com (so does a print out of Hearst's or Edmunds' too), but there's a slight difference between bringing in some 8.5"X11" sheets of white paper compared to an actual "Kelley Blue Book".
I don't know about you, but here in the southland; most dealerships, if not all still 'book' cars using their version of Kelley's - of course in addition and occasionally, they'll ring-up a wholesaler or two that might utilize NADA, or if they happen to know your cousin out in the Volvo dealer, they'll just might have to listen to see what the 'Black Book' will bring in from and on their neck of the woods.

[S1LVERBULLET119]

so i know you guys are battling over some pricing instruments, id like to say that im purchasing the car for 23,250. 100k warranty, certified, mint.

[80sGuy]

If you really like the car, than buy it!

[akasch]

so i know you guys are battling over some pricing instruments, id like to say that im purchasing the car for 23,250. 100k warranty, certified, mint.

Welcome!

[supamannn99]

Trying to find a decent price on an S-line package is very difficult. The lowest I've found in my area was $27k, and that didn't even have premium/cold weather. I think I would rather get a fully loaded non S-line and then upgrade later with that package or a different kit.

EDIT: 27k for a 6MT, about 24k for a Tip

wtf isn't tip supposed to be more expensive? dealers charge more for the tiptronic tranny's on brand new cars