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    Veteran Member Three Rings dino's Avatar
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    July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

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    Anyone going? I'm registered for July 1st in the afternoon.

    2 Hour Intro A4 Driving Experience
    Drivers drive the A4 on a number of tracks designed to improve your fundamental driving skills. These tracks include braking, skid control, handling and accident avoidance. Once these fundamentals are established, drivers will lap the road course at the speedway.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Get to compare them to the BMW 328xi, Lexus IS 250, and Merc C300. Should be a fun and interesting day.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    sucks, they're all held on work days...
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon





    Well worth it!!! Even if you have to ditch work for it!!!

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Think since the wife left me I'll go this year, w00t!
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    oh yeah! totally worth it. i ditched work for it, so did my bf and his bro and sis in law. we planned a day around napa after. It was tons of fun!! i rode the r8 around the track 2x, and I drove a manual TT. totally fun!
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    Veteran Member Four Rings chunkyckn's Avatar
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Where do you sign up?

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    Veteran Member Three Rings dino's Avatar
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I signed up from past Audi events I attended (Streets of Tomorrow in PA/MV). I checked that I was interested in local Audi events and I get an email every once in a while. I don't have access to it at work so I'll post the link later tonight. Try searching for the subject line.

    I'm flexing my time to make this event. May even drop by STaSIS for the center diff mod...
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by chunkyckn View Post
    Where do you sign up?
    http://audidrivingexperience.com/?ar...t&track_id=319


    and you're right, forget work, my birthday's on the 5th, so i'll just take the 7th off work.....

    just registered for 7/7 9:30 session. i figure by the 3pm session, it'll be dang hot..... this is gonna be badazz, i missed the last one, it was full when i found out about it.... op: thanks for posting this!
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    what time did you sign up for? and how long will it take to do the mod at stasis?
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    ^^^ I also signed up for the 9:30am session on July 7th. I'm actually coming from So Cal for the long weekend.
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    Veteran Member Three Rings dino's Avatar
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I registered for July 1 at 1:30pm. Waiting to hear back from STaSIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeKKeY View Post
    what time did you sign up for? and how long will it take to do the mod at stasis?
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    i signed up for the 3pm on the 7th. got about 4-5 buddies goin with.

    there is video somewhere of me and my friend each driving the s5 on the course from back in december.


    one hell of a day! cant wait.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    yeah, it's the B8 A4...still not sure if I wanna take the trip up for it.
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    how much does this cost..

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    its free
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    Veteran Member Three Rings dino's Avatar
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    it's $free.99.

    Quote Originally Posted by goingone View Post
    how much does this cost..
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Im on for July 1st 3pm w/ the wifey and a couple friends =)

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    It's filled up damn fast, so if you're procrastinating or still trying to get the time off of work, you better hurry.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I signed up for July 7th @ 8am.

    I was there a week ago for Jim Russell and they've made quite a few changes since I was there in February. They built a small "glass" building that acts as a showroom for the latest Audi models, etc. and redecorated the sportscar/driving experience reception area. It's much nicer than it was and it was already nice before.

    They also have a hell of lot more cars, this was just the RS4 lineup for an event going on the day I was there:


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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    i signed for July 7, 3pm :)
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by kievskiy View Post
    i signed for July 7, 3pm :)
    Hows the wooden leg Think it will hold up? They are gonna put you up to the task of trying to break off the brake pedal.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by kievskiy View Post
    i signed for July 7, 3pm :)
    ill see ya there. got like 5 of my buddies goin as well

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by goingone View Post
    how much does this cost..
    Paypal me 20 bucks and I'll hook you up ;)
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I'll be at the 8am class on the 7th.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    how old do you need to be?

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    i just found out you have to be 21 thats fxxxin dumb grrrrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audiman23 View Post
    i just found out you have to be 21 thats fxxxin dumb grrrrr
    You should change your SN to "Audiboy23"

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    it should be fine, i hope, , actually the arm that worry about, i dont know how fast i need to turn the steering wheel, but i'll do my best, i drive my 6 every day for last couple months now so i 'll have some training before that event
    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy MO View Post
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    nice, somebody from AZ, should be fun :)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleStuff2.0 View Post
    ill see ya there. got like 5 of my buddies goin as well
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy MO View Post
    You should change your SN to "Audiboy23"
    Haha.

    Sucks but yeah, if you're under 21 you're even more of a liability. You'll have plenty of opportunities when you're older, don't feel too bad.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    It's well worth ditching work for. I was there last year, and got to drive the S5 around the track. My class didn't pick the "most improved" student that gets a few laps in the R8 like Dawn's class did though... wonder if they're still doing that. I give it

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    signed up for July 1st 8AM... agh....have to wake up early and get back to work before my 1pm Meeting. hahaha

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I'm registered for July 7th at 8am. Hope to see some of you there.

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    well, work just screwed me over, looks like i can't go.... if someone wants to take my spot, looks like it'll open.....
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    Veteran Member Three Rings dino's Avatar
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    yeah man. i couldn't make it out today either.
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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Im in this Thursday at 3pm if anyones going at that time. Dont be a stranger =) Im hoping my girl learns a few things about hazard avoidance and maybe some car control =)

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I was at the 1:30 slot today. It was a lot more crowded than last year but it moved along quickly. They also had the TTs out there too which was cool (the instructors used them as the lead car). The B8 a4 3.2 is pretty punchy. The Infineon track was fun to go around 3 times . . . unfortunately I was stuck in a slow group . . . My buddy and I were sandwiched in a line with a slow lead car and a constantly getting lost trail car. Such a dismal group that the instructor got on the radio and said "well not the prettiest way around the turn but at least no one crashed." our trail car lagged so far behind we lost her through turn 7 and 9 and well actually almost every other turn .

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    Quote Originally Posted by bigga24 View Post
    I was at the 1:30 slot today. It was a lot more crowded than last year but it moved along quickly. They also had the TTs out there too which was cool (the instructors used them as the lead car). The B8 a4 3.2 is pretty punchy. The Infineon track was fun to go around 3 times . . . unfortunately I was stuck in a slow group . . . My buddy and I were sandwiched in a line with a slow lead car and a constantly getting lost trail car. Such a dismal group that the instructor got on the radio and said "well not the prettiest way around the turn but at least no one crashed." our trail car lagged so far behind we lost her through turn 7 and 9 and well actually almost every other turn .
    Was it anything like last year? What did you guys do leading up to track time i.e. car control, autocross, braking, hazards, etc...

    What about the other cars like Benz and BMW? Were they available to drive as well?

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    Re: July Audi Driving Experience at Infineon

    I love how the B8 A4 handles, it's extremely responsive during the auto cross section.
    The 40/60 split on the quattro system is a must, not mention the dynamic drive system. When they put all of these things into the S5, I'm trading my car up.

    When compared to the Benz, BMW and Lexus, it' my fave, but I guess we're all suppose to feel that way, otherwise they won't have those cars in there.

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