Why should I choose 2.0T over 3.2?

[4-tified]

Nope this is how it is going to look with the 2.0 T in the US and I am absolutely distraught over it. It is really sad they did away with the duel side exhaust. I will go with the 3.2 because of it. Or most likely go with an A5 or maybe the new TT.

And, another Audi oddity the
B8 Avant 2.0 TSFI has DUAL exhaust (tips at least).

I'm still betting that the 3.2 V6 is a stop-gap engine that will quickly be replaced with a version of the super-charged V6, to better compete with BMW's 335i, MB C350, IS350, G35, CTS, and maybe even Pontiacs G8.
All of those use larger displacement for smoother, more linear power.
MPG on a 2.0 should be good, but honestly, when you drive a small turbo engine and demand the higher output you still burn fuel at a good clip.
You can only get so much energy from a given amount of fuel.
Efficiency needs improving across the board, and its' been coming albeit slowly.

Overall, if a nicely equipped 2.0 TFSI comes to within $3-$4000 of a 335i, I'm going with the BMW. My S-Line A4 was about $3000 less than a similarly equipped 2006 330i, but I opted to try out quattro, and I preferred the A4's look. This time around I want better performance, even though the B8 A4 looks the best in this class of sedan.

I REALLY NEED the SC'd V6 B8 A4 to be priced close to the E90 335i.
If not, it's back to the propeller logo company.

[4-tified]

good theory, but i believe that auto manufacturers (especially Audi) would not risk just "pre-chipping" their car for more power and jeopardize reliability (i know that the current chips are reliable as hell)... but this is in the bigger picture. they would be safer running the K04 (or some turbo variance) with a traditional (ultra conservative) programming.

This wouldn't be anything like the "pre-chipping" idea you have.

The new engine is bumping power due to increased air pump ability, which is what an IC engine is. Still there are limits to how much an engine can be boosted before internals needs upgrading as well, or even things like fuel injectors, fuel pumps.

I do think that tuners will be able to boost power for sure.
Still, the question is how much boost, with requisite fuel, air, timing trim will be needed in order to bump hp/torque at the SAME % as before.

Torque is going from 207lb ft to 258lb ft. That's AMAZING.
Even with better breathing and IC's, boost must have been increased, and/or compression could have gone up. Either/or of those things still chew into the engines overall capability to increase power over stock with simply software and stay within safe margins.

So, I'm not disagreeing with you. I too hope that power can be boosted the same percentage as with the 2.0T FSI. We'll see in time.

A K04 would be MUCH more promising for that to happen. However, given the low rpm torque jump plus the claim that it occurs even LOWER in the rev band, and that fact that HP is only modestly increased, indicates that the turbo is still small. Maybe it will be slightly altered small KO3 like turbo with lower friction bearings, clipped turbines, or some such, but overall the power numbers indicate a small, fast spooling turbo.

[-Audi_tuning-]

Looks like, and knowing audi, the only difference between the exhausts will be the rear defuser, swap it out for a v6 model's and you shouldnt have a problem making it a duel again... it is a lil dissapointing though... but a cant be perfect, what would we mod?!

[QUIKnEZ]

Couple things to keep in mind... coming into an Audi forum that is crawling with four-circle enthusiats will give you a warped sense of what the average consumer thinks...

I have a 3.2 .... and the engine's responsivness, reliability and smoothness cannot be matched by a 3.2 wannabe. NA all the way as far as I'm concerned.

However, if you're worried about gas... go with the 2.0T... I just couldn't deal with majority of VW's having the same engine as I.

[4-tified]

Couple things to keep in mind... coming into an Audi forum that is crawling with four-circle enthusiats will give you a warped sense of what the average consumer thinks...

I have a 3.2 .... and the engine's responsivness, reliability and smoothness cannot be matched by a 3.2 wannabe. NA all the way as far as I'm concerned.

However, if you're worried about gas... go with the 2.0T... I just couldn't deal with majority of VW's having the same engine as I.

I understand your point on VW vs. Audi engine.
But, Audi/VW uses engines interchangeably, there are Audi products with VW VR6 engines.
The VW VR6 is a very smooth, nice sounding engine with great low rpm torque. It feels as if it has more torque at low rpm than Audi's V6.
The VR6 has more HP and it probably a better match with quattro in the heavy A4.

The 2.0T is no where a "wanna be" V6. It's a small displacement turbo engine that puts out excellent hp/torque or it's size while giving better MPG than the larger engine. It also lowers the weight over the front end and gives a more balanced front to rear weight ratio.

It's different, not a "wanna be".

[quattro.it]

And, another Audi oddity the
B8 Avant 2.0 TSFI has DUAL exhaust (tips at least).

I'm still betting that the 3.2 V6 is a stop-gap engine that will quickly be replaced with a version of the super-charged V6, to better compete with BMW's 335i, MB C350, IS350, G35, CTS, and maybe even Pontiacs G8.
All of those use larger displacement for smoother, more linear power.
MPG on a 2.0 should be good, but honestly, when you drive a small turbo engine and demand the higher output you still burn fuel at a good clip.
You can only get so much energy from a given amount of fuel.
Efficiency needs improving across the board, and its' been coming albeit slowly.

Overall, if a nicely equipped 2.0 TFSI comes to within $3-$4000 of a 335i, I'm going with the BMW. My S-Line A4 was about $3000 less than a similarly equipped 2006 330i, but I opted to try out quattro, and I preferred the A4's look. This time around I want better performance, even though the B8 A4 looks the best in this class of sedan.

I REALLY NEED the SC'd V6 B8 A4 to be priced close to the E90 335i.
If not, it's back to the propeller logo company.

I'm curious, if you get the BMW what will you drive in the winter in Chicago?

[QUIKnEZ]

I understand your point on VW vs. Audi engine.
But, Audi/VW uses engines interchangeably, there are Audi products with VW VR6 engines.
The VW VR6 is a very smooth, nice sounding engine with great low rpm torque. It feels as if it has more torque at low rpm than Audi's V6.
The VR6 has more HP and it probably a better match with quattro in the heavy A4.

The 2.0T is no where a "wanna be" V6. It's a small displacement turbo engine that puts out excellent hp/torque or it's size while giving better MPG than the larger engine. It also lowers the weight over the front end and gives a more balanced front to rear weight ratio.

It's different, not a "wanna be".

All Good points.... sorry for the wannabe comment... out of place.

If I were to buy brand new; it would be 2.0T... I just couldn't justify the modifications for the power band I wanted.

[a4rings]

Nope this is how it is going to look with the 2.0 T in the US and I am absolutely distraught over it. It is really sad they did away with the duel side exhaust. I will go with the 3.2 because of it. Or most likely go with an A5 or maybe the new TT.

thats a really stupid reason to chose one engine over another. its a godamn 4 cyclinder it doeant need more than one exhaust pipe. the duel is just a restriction

[4-tified]

I'm curious, if you get the BMW what will you drive in the winter in Chicago?

Before my A4 I had a 325i sport. I drove it in the winter and it was fine, even with all season tires.

That's not to say that quattro isn't better, IT IS. Quattro AWD makes the A4 feel extremely more capable than the 3 series RWD.
Still, a RWD BMW with the proper tires works just fine in the snow.
Modern traction controls, modern tires, and knowing how to use a manual trans in the snow make it "no big deal" to drive a RWD performance vehicle in the snow.
You have to realize the conditions and drive accordingly.

Also, the snow doesn't sit around long enough to worry about it.
We have maybe 1 or 2 big snowfalls where the snow may be on the ground for a day or 2, rarely more than that. Once the roads are clear, which is the majority of winter, you can enjoy your RWD or AWD as you please.

Just because you have quattro, that doesn't mean the car is invincible either. Braking is still sketchy with either drive format. Tires are VERY important.

I wouldn't get X drive from BMW. It takes away from the proper balance of BMW's RWD setup. Also, X drive models sit taller due to higher ride heights with X drive.

A "proper" A4 has quattro. A "proper" 3 series has RWD.

[Hamann]

Nope this is how it is going to look with the 2.0 T in the US and I am absolutely distraught over it. It is really sad they did away with the duel side exhaust. I will go with the 3.2 because of it. Or most likely go with an A5 or maybe the new TT.

I like the dual exhaust on one side...looks good.

[BNZ TOY]

I'm sick of Audi's chinsiness with the A4 line, I'll never buy an A4 again.

"Audi's chinsiness"

[B7 Projectile]

turbo end of story. After Stage II chip, exhaust, and Intake you would never look back, the car sounds and feels great. 6th gear pull always puts a grin on my face, I can finally run full AC with plenty of highway passing power left. Not to mention that you can get 30+ MPG on the highway.

[vjma]

Because I own a 3.2 that's why it is better than 2.0T...

Seriously, the 3.2 is also a great engine. I know many people here are kicking the 3.2 but I still believe that in terms of smoothness and drivability the 3.2 may still have the edge for someone like me who prefer to have things stock. The gas mileage is also a lot better than many people think. Having said that though, I am kicking myself for not waiting for the S4. Now that car will be almost perfect in my book.

[ray133]

Audi's 2.0T engine has won the "engine of the year" award for the last three years. Also for the extra $$$, you'd pay on a 3.2, you can get the 2.0T fully loaded (Prestige).

[yung turbo]

give me this anyday. TURBO FTMFW!!

[meowevil]

There only one thing i am wondering between 3.2 and 2.0T is the reliability. So far from what I heard 3.2 "tend" to be a little more reliable than 2.0T. Is that right? Or perhaps, because most of us "mod" rather mod 2.0T instead of 3.2, so the reliable of 2.0T is lower? ?

[dnyf21]

just curious is there anyone on the boards that has a 2.0T with close to 400hp? and if so how much $$ was needed to reach it...after purchasing supporting mods like suspension and BBK wouldnt it be better just to get an S4? (im assuming reaching 400 hp is going to take close to $6-10k supporting mods another 3-5k)

[marcus1701]

nope bc S4's are slow (for 340HP)....STG 3 cars still get 23mpg avg. vs 18mpg in S4.

[Militant-Grunt]

Im glad audi stopped doing a dual exhaust on the 2.0t. All this extra unnecessary weight for a car that only has exhaust coming from 1 bank. Makes perfect sense, there is no other reason for having two pipes out of one bank other than aesthetic reasons (even though I think single side dual looks better regardless)

[BMWBig6]

there is no other reason for having two pipes out of one bank other than aesthetic reasons

Actually there is one more reason: noise suppression. That's why Audi went with dual separate mufflers on the Avant only.

[quattro.it]

^^ The Avant has sound insulation material in the spare tire compartment area. The Sedan doesn't. The 3.2 is a proven engine and it is smoother and quieter than the 2.0T. People used to this driving experience coming over to Audi from other brands like these attributes. I'll bet it isn't long (MY2010?) before the 3.2 is replaced by the new 3.0 SC.

[bavaria75]

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. if you mods the 3.2, wouldn't you get more power out of the 3.2 over the 2.0T?

Correct you should be able to get more power out of a 3.2 than a 2.0. However the 2.0 is alreadt Turbo charged what pushes more air (energy so to say) through the smaller engine. With minor modifications on Software and bigger turbos you can get even more energy through the 2.0 engine.
You are correct you can do the smae with a 3.2 engine, but you will need to start adding the turbo and this will cost you, whereas the 2.0 has the headstart.
Audi offers a 3.0 Turbo called a S4 and it is a Supercharger.

And the game of extreme tuning will continue.