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    Switching to R32?

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    I got rid of my 04 R32 for an 07 A4 2.0T S line (MT) just before our baby was born. Now that she's about 10 months old, I've realized that I really miss the R and it's character (exhaust note, V6, supportive seats, etc). So now I've got the itch to get back into an 08 R32. Here are +/- of both.

    A4 Pros: Better gas mileage, four doors, bigger trunk, nicer materials-interior
    A4 Cons: Manual (getting a bit tired of it sitting in congestion), no exhaust note, seats are supportive at all (side bolsters), 2.0T response is different than VR6, would probably lose some $ on swap, steering is too light for me.

    R32 Pros: VR6, must better steering feel, DSG, nicer seats/more support, must "satisfying" to drive.
    R32 Cons: Gas mileage, space, 2 doors, finish is not as nice inside.

    Any suggestions to talk me into either decision (keep A4 or get R32). The old R32 was a blast to drive. The A4 just hasn't struck me the same way. Sure it's more mature, luxurious, but I don't get the same thrill or feeling when I get in. Plus my drive has changed some what, but I think it also might be the car.

    Anyone else out there made a similar transition?

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Keep the A4


    I love my a4, i went from a mk4 gti...r32 over priced, not true AWD, 2dr, eh idk, i just think the A4 is a better car, esp if you got a family...

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Have you modded your a4 at all? You can can buy an exhaust and get your exhaust note. You can chip the thing and pull the true potential out of the 2.0T. And, I heard you can VAG-COM the power steering level for more weight in it. AS for the seats, that's a bit more pricey :)

    If you go ahead and get the R32, you'll have a really hard time putting her in the baby seat in the back, especially until she's old enough to get into a front facing type.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    If you're sitting in traffic A LOT, then I would switch to a DSG. I haven't driven the DSG, but it seems that everyone loves it. There are plenty of mods for your A4 to fix all of those problems (except the traffic congestion one)

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Go for the R32.

    to add to the list of B7 cons:
    -clutch is too light
    -steering has no feeling or character
    -seats are comprable to a base line Corolla-no lateral support

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Does anyone know if you can run VAG com with a Mac? I did a quick search. It looks like you can adjust the level of power steering with it (notice in an A3 forum). I've thought about doing some things to the A4 to make it more fun - Revo chip, AWE exhaust (seems reasonable and not extremely loud in some videos), and if I could get the steering adjusted, that might help my sense of satisfaction. Anyone who does the chip should be able to adjust the steering right?

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    I'm assuming one car? With a toddler the R32 will get tiresome pretty quick. You sold the MkIV, shame, that's a classic, I don't think MkV+ will have the same passion attached.
    Stick (pun) with the A4.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Are you on Oahu? You should talk to Thomas at TAI VW & AUDI. He does REVO over here. He knows his stuff and should be able to help you.

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    Also, not sure if you've been to the Hawaii regional section, but there's more local info there:
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    oh yeah and maybe adding some OZ UL wheels to reduce the weight and help response. That would probably be my wish list.

    No two cars. The other is a Honda Pilot. That's what my wife drives. We got rid of the R32 b/c we thought I might be picking her up, etc...wanting the flexibility. But I work too much, so we're pretty much in the Honda when we go out as a family. The A4 every once in a while.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    i think if you chip it, it'll greatly change your perspective

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    I have both and honestly a chipped A4 is a lot more fun then the R32.

    With the steering you can always disconnect the servtronic fuse (which will give you heaver steering)
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    The 08 R32 is in no way the same car it was in 04. Much less passion + driver involvement. Just chip your car and add an exhaust, it'll be cheaper, you'll still get better gas mileage than R32, pretty much same performance as R32, and keep the extra room for the kid
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    The difference between a stock A4 (especially a non s-line) and a lightly modified A4 are night and day. A chip will transform your car. ~250HP and ~300TQ...in the R32 power range. Something like a Milltek exhaust with an intake will make your car sound much better and give you nice turbo sounds without making your car sound like a rice rocket. Lower your car with coils and it will handle much better and feel more visceral not to mention look better too.

    More on the difference between a stock and a modded A4:
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212967

    A4 vs. R32:
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    A4s can be a lot of fun:
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    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ighlight=track
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ighlight=track

    Conclusion: Selling the A4 would be a costly mistake, especially now that you have a newborn.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    The grass is always greener...

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    If you're under 21, get the R32.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    As a former R32 owner, I say keep the A4. The VW is a step back IMO. It's a fun car and all but the A4 is just way more grown up. If you still want to be a kid (and I don't mean this in a bad way!) get an STi or Evo.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    The new R32 is wack. DSG is even more wack. Go for the 2004 R32 again. But I would seriously keep the a4 it’s a better car because Quattro is better than haldex 4-motion system.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    drove my friends r32 the other day its really an amazing car but its really tiny!! I say you get an exhaust and keep the a4!!
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    If your gonna pony up $35k for a tiny AWD VW, why not wait till the '09 models come out, spend $10k more, and get an S-Tronic A5. It will be roomier, more sophisticated, more fun to drive, and not look so high school.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    ok... I also had the 2004 R32 and switched to an A-4.

    The reason being is that I could not justify giving up an manual transmission just yet. I was so upset at vw for only bringing a DSG that I am personally boycotting them for a while.

    However if you can put up with the DSG then I would say do it! The new R32 would be in my driveway right now if it wasn't for DSG. The seats are divine and I also miss the exhaust note.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Quote Originally Posted by 808quattro View Post
    Does anyone know if you can run VAG com with a Mac?
    First, keep the A4 and mod like previous posts said. In answer to your question, I used my macbook pro to vag mine. ...though i *actually* used windows XP within Parallels to do the programming. if you want full deets, pm me.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    What's a reasonable price to sell an 07 A4 2.0 S-line, premium pkg, bose system, 9k on the odometer, and 6MT? I might be able to get my hands on a low mileage M3 for a good price & that would be a lot more fun than an R32. Still back to two doors, but the smile on my face might be worth it.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Quote Originally Posted by minameismud View Post
    First, keep the A4 and mod like previous posts said. In answer to your question, I used my macbook pro to vag mine. ...though i *actually* used windows XP within Parallels to do the programming. if you want full deets, pm me.
    ya i did the same thing MACBOOK PRO ftw!

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Quote Originally Posted by 808quattro View Post
    What's a reasonable price to sell an 07 A4 2.0 S-line, premium pkg, bose system, 9k on the odometer, and 6MT? I might be able to get my hands on a low mileage M3 for a good price & that would be a lot more fun than an R32. Still back to two doors, but the smile on my face might be worth it.
    it sounds like youre not really sure what you want right now. the R32 and M3 will be very annoying to be driving your kid around in. i say you chip your a4, and if youre not happy with that, then good luck. maybe the a4 just isnt the right car for you. but if you trade it just for something thats quicker but you sacrifice more things, i think you'll regret it eventually.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    R32's interior was awful. I was curious about them and it was just a golf with awd and a v6. nothing more, nothing less.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    I am actually in the middle of a similar dilemma right now. I am not giving up my Avant for an R32 but I am looking to add an R32 instead of an A4 sedan. My wife wants the sedan and I want the R. We have a 17 month old daughter and quite honestly, although the R is small on the outside, it has more rear legroom than my Avant. The baby seat will fit just fine. 2 Door may be a pain in the ass but I think its worth the hassle. I guess I am the only one who likes DSG and I think the new R is a great vehicle. My wife on the other hand thinks its not a safe car for a baby. I dont have an argument for this other than it has all of the safety features an A4 has.

    We are still going back and forth but to answer your question, I dont think I would give up my A4 if I had to choose one or the other. I am on my 3rd Avant. Went from B5 to a B6 and then a B7. This one I am keeping. Its such a great car all around. Sometimes you dont want to be stuck in a R32. Its not a practical car for every situation.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    if u want power and room just get the s4 then. just a little more $$$$ haha

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    or RS4 $$$$$ lol

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    i would keep the a4 and chip it and then smoke r32's all day.

    i went a different route and got a more luxury car rather than a smaller 2 door, so my advice is to keep the A4. At the least.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    i really like the r32, but bad gas milage and medioker interior just doesn't justify the price tag. I had a 04 gli jetta, nice lookin ride and was thinking about going to a r32. For the same price for what i was looking for i could get a nicer looking, better interior a4. and i went balls out and got what i have now. Sure i wont get the same exhaust note of a r32 (it's fing sweet with exahust) but getting a car for a exhaust note is retarded imo. I wanted something more practical, something i could have fun in and be a big upgrade from my mkiv jetta gli.

    Personally get a chip. If you dont have one or ridden in an a4 with one then you should try it. Many companies out there allow you to test out their chips for a few hours. You should atleast try that before making a decision cause a chip REALLY brings the life out of the car

    It just seems to me your getting bored with your car. That's how i was when i sold my jetta. I was trying to find all cars possible to make me happy. I wasn't thinking about practicality. If you have a kid a 2dr will be a huge hassel. Just doesn't make sense to me what your thinking man. Stay with the 4rd. spend the 100 bucks to try out a chip and go from there. dont just jump to a new car cause your bored. Gotta spend a little money sometimes to make yourself happy ;).

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    Quote Originally Posted by /\G View Post
    I am actually in the middle of a similar dilemma right now. I am not giving up my Avant for an R32 but I am looking to add an R32 instead of an A4 sedan. My wife wants the sedan and I want the R. We have a 17 month old daughter and quite honestly, although the R is small on the outside, it has more rear legroom than my Avant. The baby seat will fit just fine. 2 Door may be a pain in the ass but I think its worth the hassle. I guess I am the only one who likes DSG and I think the new R is a great vehicle. My wife on the other hand thinks its not a safe car for a baby. I dont have an argument for this other than it has all of the safety features an A4 has.

    We are still going back and forth but to answer your question, I dont think I would give up my A4 if I had to choose one or the other. I am on my 3rd Avant. Went from B5 to a B6 and then a B7. This one I am keeping. Its such a great car all around. Sometimes you dont want to be stuck in a R32. Its not a practical car for every situation.
    The current model R32 has an excellent interior.
    A lot of people here must be making comments about the previous version, which was a LOT cheaper on the inside. The current R32/GTI have very well done interiors, MUCH better than previous VW's.

    I too think the DSG is AMAZING. If you love the function of a manual and it's "right now" response, but you have lots of crawling/sitting traffic to move, the DSG is the hot ticket. But, it's also a LOT of fun when the road opens up. I like how it allows you to control the gears without having to move your hands off the steering wheel to make the shift.
    It rev matches better than 98% of the manual trans drivers out there, and shifts faster than them too, and it does it more smoothly.

    As far as safety, you can go and print the crash test data. The R32/GTI is a VERY safe car. Plus, people don't seem to realize that performance vehicles have a MAJOR inherent safety margin and that's the fact that they ARE performance vehicles, which means they have better braking, steering, tires, throttle control, and overall better performance & handling. All that combined means that, from the get go, performance vehicles are more likely to AVOID potential accidents.
    Crash test numbers tell one side of the story, which is what can happen once you're hit. Those numbers can't show how often a good driver with a more capable car can actually avoid a wreck in the first place.

    Given good judgment and good driver skills your daughter should be quite safe in an R32. Plus, when she's at home with mom and you're out alone with your car....LET IT RIP!

    All that said, maybe you should wait for the new B8 A4.
    It will have a better 2.0 TFSI engine with more hp and quite a bit more torque, plus a more rear biased AWD quattro along with more advanced suspension for better steering feel and response along with great ride and handling. It'll also have more rear room for the little one to enjoy dads driving skills. My nephew LOVES my A4, and he laughs everytime we take a turn harder and faster than his mommies Honda Pilot, which is to say, we're not going fast, it's just the Pilot goes that slow.
    I still have to maintain when he's in my care, and this kid is headed towards being an auto enthusiast. Come to think of it, he's been one since he could say "Audi", which was around the time he turned 1, he's 3 now.

    Get a really good car seat and strap it in VERY securely. She'll love it.

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    Re: Switching to R32?

    performance + baby = RS6 AVANT FTW!!~
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    the r32 is a really nice car. in my opinion the decision is wether or not you want to have a 4 door or a 2 door. the v6 in the r32 along with the dsg makes for a very very good car.
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    I guess I should add my two red pennies since I have both an A4 Avant and a MKIV R32.

    We bought our Avant just for the reasons that you are wrestling with. Getting the little one in and out of the R32 was a feat in acrobatics at times. We put his seat in the middle and even though the wife and I are not that tall the child seat JUST fit with the front seats adjusted where they were. Another annoyance is the infamous R32 "passenger seat banging against the passenger sunvisor" conundrum (the seats were never designed for the car, although I love them). You have to flip the sunvisor to the side when you kick the seat forward so that it will go all the way forward.

    So with the second child on the way and three dogs to haul on trips we had to get the Avant. Now would I replace the R32 with an Avant if I didn't have to? Not a chance. I just got back from a long road trip and can tell you the A4 is much more of a comfortable highway cruiser, but lacks the fun quotient. Nor would I get a MKV R32. I love my manual in the MKIV and that is what makes up a good portion of its character (plus it is a better looker than the MKV). Of course the exhaust note is like a drug as well. As far as gas mileage I can get 28MPG out of it pretty easy on highway trips (and have done 31MPG before).

    If you already have the family hauler, get a R32 (preferably the classic MKIV)

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    Re: Switching to R32?

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    Nor would I get a MKV R32. I love my manual in the MKIV and that is what makes up a good portion of its character (plus it is a better looker than the MKV).

    If you already have the family hauler, get a R32 (preferably the classic MKIV)
    That's a nice R32.

    The MKV looks better.
    Also, it has better room inside.
    Opinions vary.

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    Beautiful car, ringsbythebay. That car will always be a classic.

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    beautiful vw
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    Re: Switching to R32?

    the r32 is a fun car, but wheres the torque? 236 lb/ft? thats weak man. go buy a chip for your a4 and youll pistolwhip that number. i felt let down by how little vw put into their new r32 engine-wise. if youre stuck on the vw, then wait for the 3.6L to come out. when its pushing nearly 300hp, id say vw did their job. until then, thumbs down to the r32.
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