2nd Attempt - Quarter Mile Results

[Tek4ever]

Went with lighter wheels and I know this is more of a suspension/ride mode vs acceleration, I still wanted to see if I could improve my time. I felt like I had strong launches and very quick shifts...still not a good time imo...

60 FT time = 1.825
1/8 = 8.792
1/4 = 13.7
Trap = 100.7

A friend raced with me and consistantly ran 13.6 with his 96 Camaro. With just that .10th of a second quicker time, he pulled a good 2 car lengths. Mike and Demetri running 13.2/13.3....that is considerably quicker than me :(

I wish someone in the Chicagoland area would produce a timeslip for comparison...

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...eslip52308.jpg

I am trying to contact the dealer that installed my GIAC files and [email protected] to return the product...still NO response...hopefully they respond with the answer I'm looking for. If anyone can assist w/ a GIAC rep, I'd really, really, really, appreciate it.

I'd like to give REVO, APR, or UNITRONIC a try.

I know chips on our cars aren't going to make a significant difference...but I feel I should be performing better.

[ZONAWILDCATS4]

I know the feeling... I wouldn't expect anything different if you give REVO/GIAC/UNITRONIC a shot.

Be happy with what you got, its still quick...if you want to mod the car to make it perform better, look into suspension upgrades...upgrade the sways, and go for a coilover suspension kit. You will have more fun with that then gaining a tenth or two with engine mods after spending a boat load of money to do so.

Hopefully they will let you get your money back on the ECU, REVO did that for me, but it was within 30 days.

[RAudi Driver]

Went with lighter wheels and I know this is more of a suspension/ride mode vs acceleration, I still wanted to see if I could improve my time. I felt like I had strong launches and very quick shifts...still not a good time imo...

60 FT time = 1.825
1/8 = 8.792
1/4 = 13.7
Trap = 100.7

A friend raced with me and consistantly ran 13.6 with his 96 Camaro. With just that .10th of a second quicker time, he pulled a good 2 car lengths. Mike and Demetri running 13.2/13.3....that is considerably quicker than me :(

I wish someone in the Chicagoland area would produce a timeslip for comparison...

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...eslip52308.jpg

I am trying to contact the dealer that installed my GIAC files and [email protected] to return the product...still NO response...hopefully they respond with the answer I'm looking for. If anyone can assist w/ a GIAC rep, I'd really, really, really, appreciate it.

I'd like to give REVO, APR, or UNITRONIC a try.

I know chips on our cars aren't going to make a significant difference...but I feel I should be performing better.

GIAC is not worth the money. Too much hype!

[Audi05s4]

i run a 13.3 in my b6 s4

[91gl]

what rpm's are you shifting at?

[Tek4ever]

what rpm's are you shifting at?

I am shifting right around 7k - just before rev limiter kicks in...never releasing WOT during shifts...prn star! :)

Your ears must be ringing. Talked about your car w/ local GIAC dealer several times today. Since you basically ran 13.3 w/ just a chip - you're my main reason why I am currently NOT satisfied with their product. After experiencing the difference with me vs a car only a .10 quicker, you car would without any question at all...be noticably quicker. Without discrediting you, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong down the track either. 1.8 60' times on my launch, very quick 7k shifts - ur car is just in another league atm.

[Tek4ever]

Can you post your actual timeslip Audi05s4?

[Audi05s4]

if i can find it yea ill post it tommy from rivalmotorsports was with me to witmess it so im not making this up he can back my up on it

[2PUTT]

all depends on elevation. Tek4ever is up in the midwest. could be very different than DE or NJ. only way to compare is the same track on the same day.

[Tek4ever]

Heyas 2PUTT-

Yep, density altitude is definitely a factor. I don't know if it would be more than .10 of a second though would it? I'm surprised how much of a difference just a .10th is at the end of 1320 feet.


If you can find the timeslip that would be cool. I'd like to see your 60', 330', 1/8, etc. I want to see where you start to pull ahead.

Two things I noticed about Audi05s4 and 91gl are:

Much better quarter mile times than me and...(I hate you!)

Cold air intake.


I keep finding posts that basically say stock intake is better...you guys apparently don't think so and performance for both of you is damn good. I didn't mention the cat back since that seems to be only a sound mod.

[2PUTT]

for GIAC questions, AWE can answer them. they have the best service out there. 91gl's run was very smooth. he has the revs down already. weight and tires will help a lot as well. unload your spare tire if you have not done so. maybe try the race program as well. 104 octane gas FTW!!

[b00st]

tek,

as i said before you runs are not comparable to Mike or anyone else for that matter for the 13.2 run and 13.3 run.

typically here a 13.7 run at joliet raceway equates to a 13.59 at sea level.

track conditions are important, your ability to shift, elevation, and billion other things...don't get caught up in everyone else's numbers....thats fine and all. everyone else's numbers don't mean anything but to themselves.

if mike (bhvrdr) came here to IL and did some runs....he wouldn't post a 13.2. maybe a 13.5 or 13.6. its all relative. if you got your 60 foot to a 1.7x...you would see a better 1/4 mile run. the average S4 is a 13.5x at any rate....this taken from magazine. so a little bit of magazine racing there but its a decent base rate.

when we meet...we'll see how you car performs.

[91gl]

Heyas 2PUTT-

Yep, density altitude is definitely a factor. I don't know if it would be more than .10 of a second though would it? I'm surprised how much of a difference just a .10th is at the end of 1320 feet.


If you can find the timeslip that would be cool. I'd like to see your 60', 330', 1/8, etc. I want to see where you start to pull ahead.

Two things I noticed about Audi05s4 and 91gl are:

Much better quarter mile times than me and...(I hate you!)

Cold air intake.


I keep finding posts that basically say stock intake is better...you guys apparently don't think so and performance for both of you is damn good. I didn't mention the cat back since that seems to be only a sound mod.

the intake I put on a month after i went to the track, same with the suspension too. get rid of GIAC and go with REVO so you can benefit from the increased rev limiter. i was shifting at about 7400 and you'd be shocked on how much power these cars make up there

next time i go, i'll hopefully have a beefy clutch for a seriously aggresive launch as well as huge amounts of weight reduction and race gas in order to go after the 12's

[91gl]

oh and mine was done at Raceway park, Englishtown NJ. sea level track

[Audi05s4]

im in the same boat as 91gl im trying to break into 12s with downpipes sum weight lost and race gas

[Errk]

Elevation at Chicagoland is 650ft. Should make you about one tenth slower than sea level.

Keep in mind, times run at sea level tracks are hard to replicate. Atco and Englishtown NJ, for example, are known for having amazing prep and nice weather. Times there can easily be a few tenths quicker at a track like that vs a track not at sea level and with most likely not as good prep work.

[b00st]

Elevation at Chicagoland is 650ft. Should make you about one tenth slower than sea level.

Keep in mind, times run at sea level tracks are hard to replicate. Atco and Englishtown NJ, for example, are known for having amazing prep and nice weather. Times there can easily be a few tenths quicker at a track like that vs a track not at sea level and with most likely not as good prep work.

these are more of conditions i was referring to...and can make a huge difference. ATCO is known to be fast track.

joliet raceway was 530ft above sea level with his run at 13.7 it would put him at 13.59 at sea level so two tenths quicker just based on the same run.

now better track, better run...he could be right there.

TEK WE WILL SEE IF YOUR CAR IS AS FAST AS MINE. WE'LL DO SOME TESTS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. maybe your faster...maybe your not. we'll find out and you can post results.

[Tek4ever]

Thanks for all the info 91gl, Audi05s4, Errk, b00st, & 2PUTT. I really appreciate it.

Very much looking forward to the test runs with you and Zona. I'll try and give you a ring tomorrow to see if we can setup a future event next week. Maybe Mike (bhvrdr) & 91gl (Demetri?) can make a quick drive down ? :)

[bhvrdr]

tek,

as i said before you runs are not comparable to Mike or anyone else for that matter for the 13.2 run and 13.3 run.

typically here a 13.7 run at joliet raceway equates to a 13.59 at sea level.

track conditions are important, your ability to shift, elevation, and billion other things...don't get caught up in everyone else's numbers....thats fine and all. everyone else's numbers don't mean anything but to themselves.

if mike (bhvrdr) came here to IL and did some runs....he wouldn't post a 13.2. maybe a 13.5 or 13.6. its all relative. if you got your 60 foot to a 1.7x...you would see a better 1/4 mile run. the average S4 is a 13.5x at any rate....this taken from magazine. so a little bit of magazine racing there but its a decent base rate.

when we meet...we'll see how you car performs.

Hey now ;)

My runs were done in the hills of Kentucky not at sea level.

cheers! Mike

[91gl]

im in the same boat as 91gl im trying to break into 12s with downpipes sum weight lost and race gas

i know i can get very low 13's with a much more aggressive launch. i went very conservative hoping not to fry the clutch. once i upgrade it, ill be heading to the track again.

[mike-2ptzero]

Hey now ;)

My runs were done in the hills of Kentucky not at sea level.

cheers! Mike

Beach Bend or London?


Never mind, found your time slips and they are from Mt. Park Dragway which is 662 ft above sea level. London Dragway is 1200 ft.

[2PUTT]

i know i can get very low 13's with a much more aggressive launch. i went very conservative hoping not to fry the clutch. once i upgrade it, ill be heading to the track again.

you, sir, have been skipping Edgewater...tisk tisk

[sean1.8t]

the intake I put on a month after i went to the track, same with the suspension too. get rid of GIAC and go with REVO so you can benefit from the increased rev limiter. i was shifting at about 7400 and you'd be shocked on how much power these cars make up there

next time i go, i'll hopefully have a beefy clutch for a seriously aggresive launch as well as huge amounts of weight reduction and race gas in order to go after the 12's

what's your tracks elevation?

i doubt you'll drop .8 seconds with just weight reduction and race gas

[mike-2ptzero]

what's your tracks elevation?

i doubt you'll drop .8 seconds with just weight reduction and race gas

LOL you missed it.

oh and mine was done at Raceway park, Englishtown NJ. sea level track

That track is usually below sea level during night races. Need we say more.


Funny how the people that run at Etown during the summer run about 1 second slower then they do during the winter and why none of them run those great numbers during the VW events that are during the day.

[sean1.8t]

oops. i thought i was quoting the original poster. didn't even notice it was a different guy..

nevermind then. i fail

[37doc]

Do you run DP's and exhaust? I didnt see it in your sig. youre not going to get any real gains from any chip , without opening up those DP's 4 cats to 2 cats...... also a high flow filter BMC, K&N.... good luck with the chips....

[b00st]

we seemed to be lacking in some data though.
we have 2 people that have run modded.
but we don't know what they looked like with no mods....or at least not to my knowledge. which would be helpful if we had those times. and its only semi helpful at most since the different days and driving of that day compared to the next modded runs
are hard to compare.

some nice consistant runs would be nice to see. both modded and not modded. i for one don't really care either way. but as i have said before...others see it and think if i do "X"...i will yield "X" HP and my ETs will be "X". which doesn't appear to be the case.

[mike-2ptzero]

we seemed to be lacking in some data though.
we have 2 people that have run modded.
but we don't know what they looked like with no mods....or at least not to my knowledge. which would be helpful if we had those times. and its only semi helpful at most since the different days and driving of that day compared to the next modded runs
are hard to compare.

some nice consistant runs would be nice to see. both modded and not modded. i for one don't really care either way. but as i have said before...others see it and think if i do "X"...i will yield "X" HP and my ETs will be "X". which doesn't appear to be the case.

Well all of that would be true if "X" conditions were exactly the same and the driver was exactly the same. Problem is that weather conditons are never even the same at the one track from day to day. Even if 2 tracks are at the same elevation the adjusted alt is going to set them apart and this will effect how much power the car makes and what it runs. Only way to compare 2 cars is to run one right after the other with the same driver, even running them side by side at the same time will still end up having a difference in driver skills.

[b00st]

Well all of that would be true if "X" conditions were exactly the same and the driver was exactly the same. Problem is that weather conditons are never even the same at the one track from day to day. Even if 2 tracks are at the same elevation the adjusted alt is going to set them apart and this will effect how much power the car makes and what it runs. Only way to compare 2 cars is to run one right after the other with the same driver, even running them side by side at the same time will still end up having a difference in driver skills.


Mike had 3 time slips that were very consistant runs.

you are referring to exactly what i'm talking about.

for me...i've "street raced" my brother stock with us being the same.
then we did it with him modded. milltek cat back exhaust and revo flash...with us still being the same.
then i went out and race my friend with DPs, FI cat back, and custom tune and the result was we were the same...he couldn't pull on my and we did a run from 55 or 60 up to 130+. you would figure he would make a move at some point. and we know he puts 15-25 more awhp down than me. but the mods don't seem to translate to him being an faster. and we did a zillion runs at different miles per hour, different gears selections (both cars being in the same gear), trying to make it as fair as we possibly could.

the basic premise was....he was supposed to pull ahead at some point in the RPM band vs my stock car. and we figured well if we run long enough...he's bound to make a move. and when we did the rolling start we did nail the gas pretty damn close.

[91gl]

what's your tracks elevation?

i doubt you'll drop .8 seconds with just weight reduction and race gas

considering i ran a 13.3, i only need .4

[mike-2ptzero]

considering i ran a 13.3, i only need .4

Thats about 3-4 car lengths at 100 mph, you expect to make that much of a difference? Odd that you push the car to 7400 rpm with such a small turbo setup.

[b00st]

Thats about 3-4 car lengths at 100 mph, you expect to make that much of a difference? Odd that you push the car to 7400 rpm with such a small turbo setup.

its a 13.3 with his B6 S4. not the GTI.

[mike-2ptzero]

its a 13.3 with his B6 S4. not the GTI.

Oh didn't know that, I was thinking B7 2.0t. I guess I jumped over to that because I was thinking of what mike ran in his 2.0t.

Forgot which forum I was in.

[sean1.8t]

considering i ran a 13.3, i only need .4

ugh!

read post #25

[91gl]

its a 13.3 with his B6 S4. not the GTI.

my gti is much faster than a 13.3

[quattrosaint]

Altitude density plays a huge factor. A high AD can cause you too loose atleast a couple 10ths

[mike-2ptzero]

Altitude density plays a huge factor. A high AD can cause you too loose atleast a couple 10ths

Bigger then most people wish to believe. They even sell hand held computers that factor in the air density changes so that bracket racers can make adjustments to their dial in.

[quattrosaint]

Bigger then most people wish to believe. They even sell hand held computers that factor in the air density changes so that bracket racers can make adjustments to their dial in.

Yeah I refuse to go to the track when AD is greater than 500. It has not been lower than 1000 all season

[sean1.8t]

how do you figure out AD again? i forgot/lost the link

[quattrosaint]

how do you figure out AD again? i forgot/lost the link

here is the link: http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da_rh.htm