TT Tires looseing traction!!!!

[m5racer]

alright so my buddy has a 2000 TT 1.8t (180). recently in the last 2-3 weeks he has been experienceing a ton of lost traction and his wheels spin like a FWD car! He does still have his winter tires on his car (last two weeks here havent been above 14c) and his car is driving like a non quattro pos. Would the winter tires be causing this hige amount of slippage or is it related to something else? he has no cel eather.

to put it into prespective on a cold 7c day it was rainging and his tires were slipping from a stop under light acleration and everytime he gave ti some gas it would slip when we were already in motion. The same thing happends on perfectly dry days also but is slightly better

Is this problem caused by the winter tires or does he have other peoblems? even in the winter time his wheels never spun (as they shouldent) and mine dont eather which is why he is a bit concerned!

Thanks for the help

[myownstylett]

What kind of tire's does he have? I would think it was the tire's if there is no cel.

[m5racer]

he has winter tiers on his car, dont know the make but they still have tons of tread left on them. if it is the tiers is there any dammage being done, its weard having that much tire slip in a car with quattro when those years dont ever have tire spin to begin with.

one day i was with him it was really cold out 5c and dry and his tires were still slipping like crazy

[libtech75]

I take offense to that. I have a "non quattro pos" and my car has excellent traction, especially since I purchased Goodyear Eagle F1 All Season - my car is amazing in the snow for a FWD on all season tires.

How old are your buddy's snow tires? Just because you have Quattro doesn't mean you aren't going to skid around. Especially with the TT which uses a Haldex system that doesn't have the all season traction that you get on say an A4.

alright so my buddy has a 2000 TT 1.8t (180). recently in the last 2-3 weeks he has been experienceing a ton of lost traction and his wheels spin like a FWD car! He does still have his winter tires on his car (last two weeks here havent been above 14c) and his car is driving like a non quattro pos. Would the winter tires be causing this hige amount of slippage or is it related to something else? he has no cel eather.

to put it into prespective on a cold 7c day it was rainging and his tires were slipping from a stop under light acleration and everytime he gave ti some gas it would slip when we were already in motion. The same thing happends on perfectly dry days also but is slightly better

Is this problem caused by the winter tires or does he have other peoblems? even in the winter time his wheels never spun (as they shouldent) and mine dont eather which is why he is a bit concerned!

Thanks for the help

[blackedoutt]

maybe just maybe haldex is broke and hes driving a 2wd quattro. or the clutch is slipping and not the tires, unless you are physically watching rubber slipping on pavement.

[///M3 TO S4]

lol....now I know why I never come into the tt forum.....

[FrimmelNoJerz]

vag-com it.

[a4dc89]

sounds like a haladex clutch slipping. its funny how in the TT forum people take offense to FWD being bad. every FWD A4 b7 is seriously self hating haha

ps. FWD does suck

[Dyzee]

I take offense to that. I have a "non quattro pos" and my car has excellent traction, especially since I purchased Goodyear Eagle F1 All Season - my car is amazing in the snow for a FWD on all season tires.

All season tires are good for no seasons.

Get a proper set of winters and a proper set of summers and never look back.


All season tires are all terrible terrible terrible.

[libtech75]

It makes me laugh when I see these unilateral statements that all seasons are horrible and proper sets of summers are so much more superior.

It all depends on how you drive, conditions, weather, temperature, location, etc. You cannot say that all seasons are good for no seasons because that is a blanket incorrect statement especially since all season tires run the gamut.

I've found that some of the top rated UHP All Seasons provide great dry traction and select models give capable snow traction as well. If I am not driving my car to the limits, doing 65mph on exit ramps to take advantage of the increased grip a summer only tire can deliver - what is the point??

That being said, I just got off a set of Michelin Pilot Sport Summers. Depending on who you ask, one of the better rated Summers. The wet and dry traction were fantastic yes. When winter came around, I had to swap. I'm in NYC and it snows here occasionally. Not real bad snow, just a couple big ones a year and lots of light coatings. So I'm supposed to go through the trouble and expense of getting dedicated winters for a couple of snowstorms a year?

The Goodyear F1 All Seasons, I'll say again have outstanding grip in wet and dry and because of the Kevlar sidewalls, have good cornering characteristics even for an all season. Best of all they have good snow traction and perform fine in sub 40 degree temperatures. That alone make them "good" in many seasons and dispute the notion that "All season tires are good for no seasons."


I also get a kick out of everyone touting the huge superiority of the AWD vs FWD. On a 225 yes. But on the 180hp the Haldex is a lackluster AWD system in regards to increased handling characteristics and the extra weight makes the 180hp Quattro even less impressive.

All season tires are good for no seasons.

Get a proper set of winters and a proper set of summers and never look back.


All season tires are all terrible terrible terrible.

[blackedoutt]

i take offense. lets box.

[Suture]

I'm also a huge fan of the Eagle F1 All Seasons. As soon as I wear down the Dunlop 9090s on the TT, I'll be switching over to the Eagles. Had those Eagles on my Jetta, probably the best money I spent on that car.

[festerfm]

back on topic, are you actually seeing the tires slip or are u'r rpm's jumping w/ no increase in speed?? sounds kinda like a clutch issue someplace

[kelticslob]

It all depends on how you drive, conditions, weather, temperature, location, etc. You cannot say that all seasons are good for no seasons because that is a blanket incorrect statement especially since all season tires run the gamut. No they dont

I've found that some of the top rated UHP All Seasons provide great dry traction and select models give capable snow traction as well. If I am not driving my car to the limits, doing 65mph on exit ramps to take advantage of the increased grip a summer only tire can deliver - what is the point?? Safety

That being said, I just got off a set of Michelin Pilot Sport Summers. Depending on who you ask, one of the better rated Summers. The wet and dry traction were fantastic yes. When winter came around, I had to swap. I'm in NYC and it snows here occasionally. Not real bad snow, just a couple big ones a year and lots of light coatings. So I'm supposed to go through the trouble and expense of getting dedicated winters for a couple of snowstorms a year?

Do they work as good as summers in the summer? No.
Do they work as good as winters in the winter? No.

So no, they are not 'just as good'. You don't have to be an aggressive driver - its a safety issue, you putz. When your tyres dont work as well as proper tyres in a situation where you need to swerve, you're putting other people at risk, which is why Quebec made it illegal to have summers/all-seasons on your car in the winter, and Ontario isn't far behind. And on top of all the safety reasons not to use no-seasons, you use those tyres for twice as long as you would be using your winter/summer tyres, so you have to replace them twice as often (read: you aren't saving ANY money).

So lets summarize:
- unsafe for you/other motorists
- costs the same as having separate sets of winter/summer tyres.

Oh, but I guess it saves YOU waiting 30 minutes at the auto store waiting for them to change your tyres twice a year. Great logic, chump change.

[InTTruder]

Sounds as if the haldex is letting go. Has he changed the filter EVER?

I have a TTQC, but I know a well-engineered FWD 180 that can eat M3 for lunch, and have room for desert. All it takes is prep.

[m5racer]

sorry its taken me so long to get back to this post (i forgot about it ) But here are the questions asnwered:

1. Yes the winters still have tons of rubber left (at least 2+ seasons)
2. Yes the tires are actaully slipping ( you can hear and feel the tires slip and loose tracting like a fwd car, not the tranny loosing traction)
3. Yes the haldex fluid and fiter was jsut changed with audi spec stuff last summer.

If it is his haldex unit slipping or broken or w.e how much would it be to fix (lol just thinking about the price)



Oh and FWD sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quattro is so much more amazing that i would feel like i lost a piece of my manhood if i went to a fwd car right now. You gotta love taking 30km on ramps at 90km!

[InTTruder]

ECT and some others show US$800 for the unit. Might as well get a sport unit while you're at it.

[m5racer]

suck for him.he is jsut on vacation, lol its gonna suck hard for him because he already needs a new front bumper which the cheeperst quote he has gotten was $1300 unpainted for just the bumper skin, Audi quoted him 1800 for a 3.2 bumper and everything else he needed.

[libtech75]

Where are you getting your figures regarding all seasons being "unsafe" for myself and other drivers you moron? Just making blanket generalizations based on the fact that Canada has passed a law making all seasons illegal?

Have you ever thought about not only the policy considerations but other considerations that go behind a law, or do you take any law on its face to be based on 100% empirical evidence? Have you ever thought about the fact that in Quebec or Ontario the average temperature is severely lower than say New York City but more so in say Atlanta, Georgia? Not to mention the dramatic increase in the amount of snow that falls?

Your "one size all" approach to someone having to purchase winter tires solely because it might be dangerous in Quebec is quite idiotic. All seasons do not offer the amount of grip that a summer might under the limits of adhesion - that is correct. But summer tires wear much faster, offer much more noise, and frequently are unusable in below 40 degree temperatures.

So why does someone who lives in an area that often sees dips under 40 degrees in as early as October, but rarely sees significant amounts of snow, wants decent life on their tires, do not require cornering and traction capabilities at "the limits" have to go out and swap summer tires and winter tires ever October - because Quebec (and soon to be Ontario) says so?

It's pretty amusing seeing a Canadian dictate how Americans should purchase tires based on Canadian environmental factors.

Do they work as good as summers in the summer? No.
Do they work as good as winters in the winter? No.

So no, they are not 'just as good'. You don't have to be an aggressive driver - its a safety issue, you putz. When your tyres dont work as well as proper tyres in a situation where you need to swerve, you're putting other people at risk, which is why Quebec made it illegal to have summers/all-seasons on your car in the winter, and Ontario isn't far behind. And on top of all the safety reasons not to use no-seasons, you use those tyres for twice as long as you would be using your winter/summer tyres, so you have to replace them twice as often (read: you aren't saving ANY money).

So lets summarize:
- unsafe for you/other motorists
- costs the same as having separate sets of winter/summer tyres.

Oh, but I guess it saves YOU waiting 30 minutes at the auto store waiting for them to change your tyres twice a year. Great logic, chump change.

[m5racer]

Hey, dont be saying this: It's pretty amusing seeing a Canadian dictate how Americans should purchase tires based on Canadian environmental factors.

Obviously you live in NYC and you see snow fall. All season tires are extremely dangerous and offer little to no traction in snow reguardless of how much or how little falls. all it takes is a few cm to fall to get the ground covered and once that happends all season pretty much feel like have summer tires on the car. I live in toronto and i have seen first hand how horrible all season tires are when there is snow on the ground reguardless of how little or how much falls. And even though the avg temp might be lower here you still see most of your winter in nyc below zero, which means snow falls which means all season tires are shit.

Think of it this way. It a nice night, there is an hour or two of snow fall, your cruisn in your audi and you stop at a light. then some idot in a corola or or rust bucket slams on there breaks and rear ends you! now jsut think that if they had winters on there car instead of all seasons they might have stopped in time. Now jsut think instead of a little fender bender your car gets totaled and or you sustain serious injury! Remember jsut about all cars on the road dont have AWD and there is a large number of cars that dont have ABS.

If snow falls in your city/state all seasons during the winter months should not be allowed. they are unsafe. and winter tires also grip better in the colder months even on dry road, beucase of the diffrent rubbers that are used.

All seasons were designed for Hot palces that see semi-cold tempratures in the winter months and might see snow a hand full of times each year if any at the most!

[libtech75]

See the problem is you and others are generalizing that all seasons offer "little or no" traction is now and this is a complete fabrication.

Technically speaking it is true that all seasons have less traction then a dedicated snow tire yes. But I can tell you first hand that there are all season tires that have decent traction is snow. The Eagle F1 All Season for example have excellent overall traction in light snow. That's just not me, go to tirerack and see hundreds of reviews that say the same thing. I know this, because I've driven with these tires in 4-6" of snow and they worked fantastic. Yes, some all season tires are horrible in snow, and some aren't. The contiextremes are known to be EXCELLENT snow performing all season tires.

Traction is one component of safety, the other is driver skill. AWD helps to correct slippage on acceleration but doesn't do anything when braking. Certain tires inherently being more "safe" than another is a relative statement - it's relative to the experience and skill of the person driving. Just because you have winter tires doesn't mean someone with shitty winter driving skills is going to be less prone to hitting you in the bumper than someone with all season tires with lots of winter driving experience.

Again, my argument here is not weather all seasons offer less traction then a dedicated snow tire. My issue is that making a all for one statement that all season are "unsafe" and "horrible in snow" are simply false. It depends again on factors including how much snow (if any), temperature, etc.

The ironic thing about the whole all season vs. dedicated winters and summers argument is that I cannot tell you how many times I've heard from someone or of someone who got caught in a sudden cold front and didn't have the time or opportunity to switch over from summers to dedicated winters and ended up getting stuck or worse, in a car accident.

In Buffalo, a place where snowfall of more than a foot is frequent then yes, I completely support the dedicated summer and winter tire theory. In the mid Atlantic states, GOOD all season tires are sufficient for yearly driving and in light snow.

Hey, dont be saying this: It's pretty amusing seeing a Canadian dictate how Americans should purchase tires based on Canadian environmental factors.

Obviously you live in NYC and you see snow fall. All season tires are extremely dangerous and offer little to no traction in snow reguardless of how much or how little falls. all it takes is a few cm to fall to get the ground covered and once that happends all season pretty much feel like have summer tires on the car. I live in toronto and i have seen first hand how horrible all season tires are when there is snow on the ground reguardless of how little or how much falls. And even though the avg temp might be lower here you still see most of your winter in nyc below zero, which means snow falls which means all season tires are shit.

Think of it this way. It a nice night, there is an hour or two of snow fall, your cruisn in your audi and you stop at a light. then some idot in a corola or or rust bucket slams on there breaks and rear ends you! now jsut think that if they had winters on there car instead of all seasons they might have stopped in time. Now jsut think instead of a little fender bender your car gets totaled and or you sustain serious injury! Remember jsut about all cars on the road dont have AWD and there is a large number of cars that dont have ABS.

If snow falls in your city/state all seasons during the winter months should not be allowed. they are unsafe. and winter tires also grip better in the colder months even on dry road, beucase of the diffrent rubbers that are used.

All seasons were designed for Hot palces that see semi-cold tempratures in the winter months and might see snow a hand full of times each year if any at the most!

[Dimcorner]

I have all seasons Nitto's ! :D
Tires were so good I went and bought some for my wife's Mazda3.

I have ran the Mazda3 in autox's before on the crappy OEM Goodyear RS-A tires and from my spirited driving in the Mazda, these grip WAY more, have a longer tread life, and are quieter. Plus they were less than $100 bux each for a 215/45/17. During the Autox's I place generally top 4 in street tire class.

[festerfm]

no prob here with kuhmo ecsta ast on my quattro in the snow..... they're all season