Switching from APR to Revo?

[lorvar]

I have a stage 1 APR and have been trying to find out a straight answer from APR regarding K04 and the tiptronic blowing up. After my first email, I received a response over a week later. The first answer I got was from APR was a vague one. "It may or may not, but have some cash aside in case it doesn't work out" I was like wtf? Spoke with a technical support person I care not to mention by name and he was surprised at the response and promised he would have the Director of Sales clear up any questions or concerns and take care of me. No email, no call, no contact from anyone at APR after 3 weeks. They basically wanted the name of the guy who gave me the crappy response.

I'm tired of this bu!!sh!t and wouldn't recommend APR just based on their customer service. Now, I want a dependable K04 setup and more options available to me in the future like a BT, will REVO fit the bill?

[grimlock]

"It may or may not, but have some cash aside in case it doesn't work out"

Hahahaha, WOW. Yea, APR's track record as of late seems to be pretty shoddy. Makes me wish I had gotten GIAC or Unitronic for my 1+. Btw, there have been issues w/ APR's K04 file on tiptronics???

[lorvar]

Hahahaha, WOW. Yea, APR's track record as of late seems to be pretty shoddy. Makes me wish I had gotten GIAC or Unitronic for my 1+. Btw, there have been issues w/ APR's K04 file on tiptronics???

I don't think they realize how bad they are. I guess when their sales numbers come down, maybe, just maybe they may get a wake up call. I'm open to other brands like GIAC and I spoke with Unitronic from Montreal and they provide dyno and tuning. Being in Toronto, it's a 5 hour drive.

[a4000]

And why would it blow up????

[lorvar]

And why would it blow up????

From what I read and this is why I asked them, the initial torque maybe to much stress on the tranny.

[zemun2]

You do realize that you're not the first with an idea to put K04 on a tip...[O_O]

Might want to ask folks on the forum if it will work or not.

No matter which tuner you ask they will not stand 100% behind that with their software you wont blow trany just because if you do they might have to buy you new one, thats why you're getting vague answers..

[lorvar]

You do realize that you're not the first with an idea to put K04 on a tip...[O_O]

Might want to ask folks on the forum if it will work or not.

No matter which tuner you ask they will not stand 100% behind that with their software you wont blow trany just because if you do they might have to buy you new one, thats why you're getting vague answers..

I do realize it and it seems the consensus is to go with a BT that spreads the power over the entire band, rather than in the lower RPMs. I understand that they don't want to guarantee anything, but to tell me that they are not sure about there product, is wrong in my opinion.

[a4000]

In APR's defense, he didn't say he was unsure of his product, he said he was unsure about your tranny.

[lorvar]

In APR's defense, he didn't say he was unsure of his product, he said he was unsure about your tranny.

Actually, he is unsure of his product being able to support my tranny and when the sales rep got my copy of the first email, he told me he was going to correct this persons source of information.

[Papachristou]

i agree and disagree with you, no one and no tuner can or will guarantee that your tranny with stick or auto wont blow with k04/bt/bat. several people have trashed their stickshift tranny's here because of too much power. the general consensus on the forum is that a gtrs has a nice even power band and tuned down a bit will be best for a TIP tranny

now where i do agree is that APR should have just come out and said that or called you back and told you. its not their job to make sure the rest of your car can handle the power. we get posts everyday with people askings questions like " will my stock clutch hold 1+ or a BT or k04 man?" no one really knows, it depends how you drive, launch, history and lots of other variables

[AudiA4_20T]

dude my friend had an APR K04 on his tip for awhile, just run it seriously... if shit happens it happens do you think APR does anything extra stressful on the trans? no

[IceMole]

Change out your manifold too if doing k04, it'll help tame the spike. If you're going BT you have no choice but to switch unless you plan APR 3+.

[A4TL]

Going from APR Stage 1+ to k04 is a waste of cash imo. unless your turbo is blown.

look at the numbers. It's like adding a DSMIC or fmic to a k04. you still have a tiny turbo and guess what that big fmic. more lag same power.

not saying a fmic/dsmic isn't cool but the gains are not always what you think. spending $1000 on a fmic to gain back to back power in auto-x is one thing. spending $1000 to get zero gain on the freeway speeds is well kinda lame. spending $1000 to induce more lag when you are just stoplight to stoplight (not racing just randomly nailing it every time) is going to get old with little bit more lag.

After much study i've come to the conclusion stage 1+ APR or BT.

Then if you go BT you are stuck with APR.

This is where other chiptuners may be wiser to start with.

invest in the 550's (the new style G) and run revo; get a guaranteed BT upgrade price when/if you need it from your tuner. and enjoy your clutch until it blows.

tiptronic the k04 spikes so hard on torque you could very well damage the TC. I mean the design of the audi tiptronic is about 125K then well boom. If you get more great but then you come in with insane amounts of torque that puts a world of hurt on it.

High hp is not a problem when its linear and smooth and maybe you put an oil cooler on but i know damn well my 104K tiptronic with 3 filter/oil changes is not as good of shape as it could be (said if the po had changed the fluid/gasket from beginning every 2/24). So you are living on borrowed time. Everyone knows that. Germans may crap automatics. If you want a good automatic put a TH400/4l60E/POWERGLIDE those are fricken bullletproof.

[lorvar]

Well, I just got my engine and turbo replaced under the sludge warranty, so the engine is pristine. The tranny has 105,000km on it. Should I change the fluids or not. When the car was apart at audi, I asked him to change the tranny fluid and he looked at me like I was crazy. He said he never had to before, why start now. Thanks for all the info, REVO and BT will be the next move.

[grimlock]

Well, I just got my engine and turbo replaced under the sludge warranty, so the engine is pristine. The tranny has 105,000km on it. Should I change the fluids or not. When the car was apart at audi, I asked him to change the tranny fluid and he looked at me like I was crazy. He said he never had to before, why start now. Thanks for all the info, REVO and BT will be the next.

I would say replace the tranny fluid. I had mine replaced for the first time at about 75K, and I could actually feel the difference (much smoother shifts). Audi claims that the tranny fluid is a "lifetime fluid" but that is BS. My car has almost 100K now and I'm going to change the fluid every 30k from here on out.

[lorvar]

I would say replace the tranny fluid. I had mine replaced for the first time at about 75K, and I could actually feel the difference (much smoother shifts). Audi claims that the tranny fluid is a "lifetime fluid" but that is BS. My car has almost 100K now and I'm going to change the fluid every 30k from here on out.

Did you do it yourself? How much?

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Ive been running APR 1+ for a year. The only thing I have to say is that there are so many "tuner" shops slinging it it has started infighting between them. To the point where
one APR dealer started a fight with me because i brought my car to a shop 20 mile closer to my house. I am going K04 next month. My primary reason for this is a I do all city driving. There are 16 traffic lights from my house to work and I only drive 13 miles round trip. Do i have been thinking about switching software.

Just as an added, my wife drives a stock 01 S4 w/ 27k original miles