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    Details: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6
    Automakers in the U.S. are just starting to truly embrace turbocharging, but Audi is going against that grain by choosing to supercharge its new 3.0L V6. We already told you some details about the new powerplant, and now we're hearing new specs from Autocar. The British website is reporting that the 3.0L V6 due to power the next S4 will be force-fed by an Eaton Supercharger to produce a power-output of 286 horsepower at 4,800 rpm and 310 lb-ft at 2,500 rpm. We'd heard earlier that the output of the supercharged 3.0L would be closer to 350 hp in the S4 and detuned to 290 hp for the mid-range A6, so this new report from Autocar has us a bit confused. We're assuming that the British outlet is just referring to the less powerful version of the engine that will power the A6 and doesn't yet know exact power figures for the S4 version. At least we're hoping so, since a less powerful S4 is no fun for anyone
    In detail: New Audi V6
    Audi has revealed more details about its forthcoming supercharged V6 engine, which will power the next S4 and feature in next year’s A6 refresh.
    The 3.0-litre, direct-injection unit produces 286bhp at 4850rpm, and 310lb ft torque at 2500rpm. It’ll be known as the 3.0-litre TFSI, even though the ‘T’ traditionally stands for ‘turbo’.
    The new engine uses an Eaton supercharger and has an air-to-air intercooler rather than a water-to-air unit.
    Speculation was rife that Audi would fit its 3.2-litre V6 with twin turbos in an effort to rival BMW’s similarly specified 3.0-litre unit, which has just won Engine of the Year for the second year in succession. But the Ingolstadt engineers decided that the increasing weight of cars demanded a solution promising greater torque at low revs.
    Audi bosses believe that larger models like the Q7 and A8 - also likely to get the supercharged V6 - will benefit from low-down power delivery. Packaging a supercharger is also simpler than a twin-turbo, because it sits between the cylinders, although this does raise the centre of gravity.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    odd. that has to the be detuned one. no way they'd go down in hp from the previous model, especially 54hp

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    that hp figure comes at 4800 RPMs, the v8 is producing 340hp at 7000 RPMS, my guess is that the new engine is producing about the estimated 350 hp by the time it revs to the 7000 or so RPM redline it will have. I think what those figures prove is that the power delivery is very efficient. 310 hp at 2500 RPMS

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    audi is really messing up in my eyes with their decisions on the new s4.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Well I have read a few articles and i understood the power numbers to the be the hp for the 3.0L V6 fsi, then the supercharged would be added to make the engine for the S4 are 350. They are just all confused. the numbers audi are release are just for the base 3.0L v6 engine not including any type of forced induction method.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by Noffy View Post
    Well I have read a few articles and i understood the power numbers to the be the hp for the 3.0L V6 fsi, then the supercharged would be added to make the engine for the S4 are 350. They are just all confused. the numbers audi are release are just for the base 3.0L v6 engine not including any type of forced induction method.
    There isn't a base naturally aspirated 3.0L V6. In both the A6 (~290hp) & S4 (~350hp) it'll be supercharged.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by jdmnomore View Post
    that hp figure comes at 4800 RPMs, the v8 is producing 340hp at 7000 RPMS, my guess is that the new engine is producing about the estimated 350 hp by the time it revs to the 7000 or so RPM redline it will have. I think what those figures prove is that the power delivery is very efficient. 310 hp at 2500 RPMS
    If the engine does make its max power at a higher rpm, why would the manufacturer publish a lower hp number at a lower rpm? It makes no sense.

    If the torque stays very flat across the rpm range, then the hp number will rise as the rpm goes up. For most OEM FI application, the torque curve drops shortly (maybe 1500-2000 rpm's) after the max boost. In that case, the max hp number will not be at the higher rpm, but at a lower rpm instead.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    whatever HP it is...it's a downgrade for the next generation S4...it should've been TT or a beefed up V8... no chance in hell id get the new B8 S4, no matter how good it looks.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by MoroIsAnOrange View Post
    There isn't a base naturally aspirated 3.0L V6. In both the A6 (~290hp) & S4 (~350hp) it'll be supercharged.
    My point is I believe it was a non supercharged number.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroB6 View Post
    whatever HP it is...it's a downgrade for the next generation S4...it should've been TT or a beefed up V8... no chance in hell id get the new B8 S4, no matter how good it looks.
    they are quoting 350. thats actually a very small upgrade, by 10 horsepower, from the V8 S4. Although it may be a step backwards. Have to wait and see.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    286 hp at 4,800 rpm means its going to put out much more at red line. roots type superchargers make pretty consistent boost across the rev range and have a table like torque curve. the horsepower should increase substantially from 4,800 rpm to redline.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroB6 View Post
    whatever HP it is...it's a downgrade for the next generation S4...it should've been TT or a beefed up V8... no chance in hell id get the new B8 S4, no matter how good it looks.
    This is the equivalent of a beefed up V8. Those numbers can't be right, this is supposed to be 300+ hp to push competition with the 335xi sedan. Also, this motor will accelerate fast. I've been in supercharged e36 M3s and they are INSANE. It feels like it's NA, but it's forced induction. The HP/TQ curves are so nice. No spiking and lag like turbos.

    You guys should really wait some more before you make crazy statements like the ones in these threads.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    No need to get all upset over speculative numbers. Wait until the specifications are official and come directly from Audi.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    A supercharged V6 in an A8? No thank you.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Lies, lies, all lies...I tell you.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    audi is not stupid enough to put a TFSI (where the T stands for Turbo) and put a supercharger wouldn't it be appropriate for an S? lol. I would never buy a supercharged anything, sorry not the same thing. I am still hoping all of these people are wrong and audi brings the turbos back.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Not speculation...the motor and its details have already been introduced in a press event in Europe (check RS6.com for more info).

    I believe the published hp is 333ps.

    Either way, whatever it may be...take a pass on the B8 S4. Already ordered an M3. Supercharged V6 won't cut it against the various turbocharged and V8 offerings from other manufacturers.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    wow very VERY dissapointed!!

    although.. 286 @ 4800 is pretty good :O. wish it was 386 though
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    You all are ridiculous. Its forced induction, SCs have great power bands with no lag. Audi is looking at two markets with this. Both the Enthusiast and the non. The RS4 is the uber enthusiast car. The S4 has become its little brother trying to appeal to both markets. A smooth power band appeals to more people than a laging turbo setup. Dont forget also that even though the power is up only slightly from the b6/b7 the b8 are lighter.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by YMJ View Post
    wow very VERY dissapointed!!

    although.. 286 @ 4800 is pretty good :O. wish it was 386 though
    Dam people don't read, the expected output is said to be 330-350hp.

    And if you have every driven a SC car they are a hell of a lot of fun. A lot of people will probably have to eat their words when they actually drive the new S. I have no idea how you could write off the car before ever seeing it or driving it. If I can get similar power, a flat TQ curve and 20% fuel economy, what's not to like??????

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    ^^ seriously. I like mine for those reasons and my tuning isn't even that great right now. flat torque curve FTW.

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Someone start taking names of all the haters, b/c many people will eat their words as previously said. My buddy has a C32 with the Renntech pulley upgrade and software and it's a 12 second car.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by Noffy View Post
    My point is I believe it was a non supercharged number.
    How is it possible that a naturally aspirated verion is 286hp when the detuned but still supercharged version in the A6 has approximately the same output?

    There is NO naturally aspirated 3.0 V6.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by gotaudi View Post
    audi is not stupid enough to put a TFSI (where the T stands for Turbo) and put a supercharger wouldn't it be appropriate for an S? lol. I would never buy a supercharged anything, sorry not the same thing. I am still hoping all of these people are wrong and audi brings the turbos back.
    It's a name and Audi can call it whatever it wants. It's a fact that the supoercharged engine is coming and its name is 3.0T.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by B18b1ex View Post
    Dam people don't read, the expected output is said to be 330-350hp.

    And if you have every driven a SC car they are a hell of a lot of fun. A lot of people will probably have to eat their words when they actually drive the new S. I have no idea how you could write off the car before ever seeing it or driving it. If I can get similar power, a flat TQ curve and 20% fuel economy, what's not to like??????
    the REASON im hating it, is because of the following:

    THE B5 S4 platform is what made the S4 famous! its what brought audi to the tuning market... and a whole new generation of AUDI LOVERS!

    now this car was a bi-turbo!!! so audi should come out , once again, with a new and BETTER designed BI TURBO engine..

    not only to stay true to what made the S4 FAMOUS! but to stay in competition with the 335xi and even the new m3!

    BMW went bi-turbo, and an engine that is AMAZING.. with a chip you'll get 400hp :o..

    now im no expert, but arnt tuning options limited on a supercharger??

    very VERY dissapointed again..
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Agree with the above post...the 335 twin turbo is good for high 11 low 12 sec passes with just a few minor upgrades (mid 12's with 2 grand) great for the enthusiasts crowd. The B5 S4 is obviously the benchmark as far as tuned Audi's go (500+awhp)(10grand and up). Audi's roots are firmly planted in turbocharging....thats where they should remain. IMHO a twin turbo 6 for the S4 and a twin turbo 8 for the RS4 would be in keeping with tradition. BMW is releasing a twin turbo 8 and developing a twin turbo 10 for the North American market (not a big BMW fan...however its hard to find fault when their products are far more appealing for enthusiasts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELUX View Post
    This is the equivalent of a beefed up V8. Those numbers can't be right, this is supposed to be 300+ hp to push competition with the 335xi sedan. Also, this motor will accelerate fast. I've been in supercharged e36 M3s and they are INSANE. It feels like it's NA, but it's forced induction. The HP/TQ curves are so nice. No spiking and lag like turbos.

    You guys should really wait some more before you make crazy statements like the ones in these threads.
    it's equivalent if they give it 340-350HP, yes. SC'd vechilces are very nice and smooth, but I dont have interest for a SC'd car. There's nothing crazy about my statement or anybody else's, it's an opinion. A SC for the new S4 is , in my eyes and it seems like for others too. Dont get me wrong, with simple ECU, injectors and pulley kit, im sure the car will be around the 400HP mark. I guess it's more of a feeling that Audi has been known for creating these beautiful and fast turbo machines and switching it up for a SC setup, well, seems "different", the least to say. Obviously it is a step down, b/c they are competing with the 335, and no longer the M division. The talk about pricing on the new S4 suggests that it will be less than recent generations, comparable to the old B5 S4 prices, which also suggests it's a step down, from where it is now. Im sure it'll be a looker, but my interest will be directed elsewhere for my next Audi.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    To all who suggest that this new car is a step down, what did the B5 RS4 compete with?


    The new m3 and c63 was made to compete with the likes of a RS4, not the s4, then Bmw put out a 335 and MB bumped the power in the C class to fill the void left by the v6 m3 and the c32. Audi has not changed, the others have! Why can't people see this, the S4 is still exactly where it was, we in the US just never got the RS until now. Think we did not get the RS 2 either!

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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by B18b1ex View Post
    To all who suggest that this new car is a step down, what did the B5 RS4 compete with?
    im sure M3 was one of them!!
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    Until Audi AG and AoA make a formal annoucement or press release I still don't know what engine the New S4 will have
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    ^^ yes..at the time the E46 M3 came out and handled the B5 S4, and so the RS4 came to life.
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by B18b1ex View Post
    To all who suggest that this new car is a step down, what did the B5 RS4 compete with?


    The new m3 and c63 was made to compete with the likes of a RS4, not the s4, then Bmw put out a 335 and MB bumped the power in the C class to fill the void left by the v6 m3 and the c32. Audi has not changed, the others have! Why can't people see this, the S4 is still exactly where it was, we in the US just never got the RS until now. Think we did not get the RS 2 either!


    i just prefer turbo
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    Re: Audi's new supercharged 3.0-liter V6

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroB6 View Post
    i just prefer turbo
    Fair enough, and that is understandable. I think people will be pleasantly surprised by the feel of the new car.

    It's funny but as a former B5 s4, I loved the car, but don't miss it. It was a money pit, as a toy it's great but not as a DD.

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    Fair enough, and that is understandable. I think people will be pleasantly surprised by the feel of the new car.

    It's funny but as a former B5 s4, I loved the car, but don't miss it. It was a money pit, as a toy it's great but not as a DD.
    YES INDEEDDDD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B18b1ex View Post
    Fair enough, and that is understandable. I think people will be pleasantly surprised by the feel of the new car.

    It's funny but as a former B5 s4, I loved the car, but don't miss it. It was a money pit, as a toy it's great but not as a DD.
    absolutely no doubt. people will love it, b/c power is instant with a SC. And the HP/TQ curves are excellent. Just reminds me too much of the C32 AMG(dont like em)
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    You will all eat your words. With a few mods this car will be close to 400hp. The best part, you'll have that power by about 4000rpm. You guys need some more research into superchargers.
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    if you say so. But the 335 will still have the edge and that's the new S4's competitor. It's always been this way.
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    If I were thinking about S4 to replace my A4 I would prefer tt vs. t/sc setup. T/sc seems overly complex. Look what Merc did with the E55, originally it was NA then SC, and now back to NA. tt has great tuning potential.
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    I don't care what is under the hood as long as it has more power and better fuel economy. It should also compete (hopefully beat) the current 335 as its the closest rival for the S4. If anyone has looked at the MTM post its hard to write off any new B8 particularly if the car is going to have a sport suspension and large wheels. Audi has been progressively making better and better vehicles so I think everyone should wait on the new model. I'm sure it won't disappoint. Not to say you can't jump ship and buy a new M3. Nice car as well.
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