Question for you BT/BAT guys out there.

[sambrody44]

Sorry if this is a repost, I'm almost sure it is, but satellite internet sucks and is being to slow for me to search...

Does anyone know anything about or have any experience with this kit:

ATP GT71R kit with EuroCode/REVO Software THE COMPLETE SOLUTION

This is considered just BT not BAT right? Also, are the numbers listed realistic? 450HP?

Thanks in advance.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Come on son you know better than that ... thats a 71R Elim, same setup Greg (400HPA4) has and yes its a BT

[sambrody44]

Come on son you know better than that ... thats a 71R Elim, same setup Greg (400HPA4) has and yes its a BT

I do?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Same shit as a GTRS just a larger wheel, and yes it is capable of 450 CRANK or low 300awhp

[sambrody44]

Ah, I see. Worth it over the normal GTRS?

[F16HTON]

Will not make 450BHP but it does make 440BHP on my car.

It is not really going to make but 4-5 HP over a GTRS, the spool is basically the same ass well. What the 71R does is shift the powerband up just slightly in the upper RPMs.

The setup is great...I have been running it for 2 and 1/2 years. 323AWHP/327AWTQ on a conservative Mustang dyno. Consitent high 12 second QM passes.

I guess you could go with a larger setup but for now APR Stage III+ and the EuroCode Complete Solution coupled with REVO programming sold from Eurocode ARE the only setups that consitently produce over 300AWHP.

I have been running a 100% stock block, stock internals, stock head since 2004 and have yet to have any issue whatosever.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Some will say yes, some will say no. The GTRS is too much for the stock flange IMO, the 71R wheel is even worse. The highest Elim power levels are 321awhp on 100 octane on a GTRS and 323awhp on MS109 on a 71R. That same GTRS on 109 rather than 100 would have been above Greg's 323 so go figure ...

[sambrody44]

What does shifting the power band up do? Just maintains power till red line better then the GTRS with the same spool?

And since you brought up APR III+, why the hell is is so much more over the complete solution?

[F16HTON]

Some will say yes, some will say no. The GTRS is too much for the stock flange IMO, the 71R wheel is even worse. The highest Elim power levels are 321awhp on 100 octane on a GTRS and 323awhp on MS109 on a 71R. That same GTRS on 109 rather than 100 would have been above Greg's 323 so go figure ...

You think? You have quite a bit still to learn yound Padawan. The common denominator is that both David and myself got our programming from David Sarabi @ Eurocode Tuning.

I guess you could call it special sauce.

[sambrody44]

Some will say yes, some will say no. The GTRS is too much for the stock flange IMO, the 71R wheel is even worse. The highest Elim power levels are 321awhp on 100 octane on a GTRS and 323awhp on MS109 on a 71R. That same GTRS on 109 rather than 100 would have been above Greg's 323 so go figure ...

By stock flange you mean? Manifold?

[F16HTON]

Yes, he is talking about the inlet flange for the ATP exhaust manifold that was designed by the engineers at Garrett Turbo.

Unfortunately this flange is only capable of making more power than ALL of the B6 A4s on here that are running the T2 or T3 flange.

[sambrody44]

Sensing sarcasm? lol

Why would one say that about the flange if it does indeed create more power?

[F16HTON]

Well, sarcasm I guess.

I think I can speak about this as well as anyone. I used to run the "full' GT28RS ATP setup and I switched over the the ATP 71R eliminator back in February 2006.

The power levels that my car made were identical with both setups (peak) however the 71R is much more drivable that the T2 flanged manifold.

There have been folks with a B5 Chassis A4 or VWs that are making way more power with a T3 flanged manifold but let us face the facts.

Autospeed GT28RS on a Treadstone copy manifold could not crack 300AWHP.

ATP T2 or T3 setups all the way as large as 30-71R cannot crack the 300AWHP range.

Custom tubular manifold setups with a 30-76R cannot crack the 300AWHP range.

There may be potential with a larger setup but for now, the proof is in the pudding. you have to remember the guys who are trying to get to these power levels with larger turbos are spending nearly $8,000 and it is just not panning out for them.

[sambrody44]

So there is no need to worry about the stock sized flange?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Yes, he is talking about the inlet flange for the ATP exhaust manifold that was designed by the engineers at Garrett Turbo.

Unfortunately this flange is only capable of making more power than ALL of the B6 A4s on here that are running the T2 or T3 flange.

I just havent gotten to the dyno yet, I know im not AWD but I can at least get to the 325 range on race gas now

[F16HTON]

I have no worries as of today. Are you interested in copying success or failure? The choice is yours.

[A4ringedONE8T]

So there is no need to worry about the stock sized flange?

Absolutely not, just understand its limitations

[F16HTON]

I just havent gotten to the dyno yet, I know im not AWD but I can at least get to the 325 range on race gas now

Hopefully, each time you do get let down.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I have no worries as of today. Are you interested in copying success or failure? The choice is yours.

You crack me up sometimes, I guess you should stop selling your Full Race DTH setups than and stick with only the "Ecode Complete Solution Elim Setups"

[A4ringedONE8T]

Hopefully, each time you do get let down.

Well Im either putting down that much power or running with mid 12 sec cars with 264whp in a fucking boat ... I bet your power levels arent over 300whp on pump gas, sorry Ive always dyno'd in the past on what I have in the car 100% of the time!

[F16HTON]

Well, the Full-Race setups we sell with the Eurocode exclusive REVO GT30-71/76 file has not been fully proven yet and I will endorese it once it has.

Many of the readers on this forum do not have six to eight months to dick around with a turbo setup and want it perfect right upon install.

This is what you get with the "complete solution" I installed my setup on a Friday night and was at the track running a 12 second QM pass the very next morning.

I then drove it home from the track and dyno'd it the following Saturday and the numbers backed up my QM times.

I am sure that eventually you guys will get the BAT thing all figured out (well acually David, Mike and myself will) and many people will be willing to go that route.

[sambrody44]

Alright guys this wasn't supposed to be about who's setup is better. Just a few questions about that specific one.

[F16HTON]

Your questions were answered as how they were asked by two individuals with different opinions.

You can draw your own conclusions based upon data.

[sambrody44]

Your questions were answered as how they were asked by two individuals with different opinions.

You can draw your own conclusions based upon data.

Very good point, and you have both been very helpful in my quest to eventually get more power out of my car. I just didn't mean to start any conflict between two different tuners.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Its REVO vs E-REVO lol Same shit David just tweaks his files, it just so happens that most of the guys that all push there shit and track there cars get there stuff from Ecode. Is there file better, yes, is it the reason the few Elim cars hes talking about are running 12's and making 300whp + and not many others are, NO!

I would consider Greg and good friend as he has always been willing to and has helped me with problems, questions, etc. Sometimes I just have to give him shit when he gets his E-Code thug attitude!!!

[F16HTON]

There is not conflict, Shawn and I are great friends (online) and we do not believe in tuner wars and such.

I know what has worked for me (I think very well) and what did not work for me. I have a vast knowledge of how to troubleshoot issues because I used to run a T2 flanged setup and it kept me on my toes.

Sometimes I felt like a air traffic controller trying to land a plane by radio with my wife with the T2 flanded setup (on the phone from Germany with her in California). There was alway some tiny little issue that we would be dealing with.

[A4ringedONE8T]

FWIW Anyone that wants to make stupid power (for the setup) and have bragging rights (as Greg does) runs race gas. I wont say he is the only one, our main tech at my shop (Adrian) also runs C16 in his R when he is doing anything other than driving back and forth to work, so to remain unbiased, I understand that. I just would rather know what my car makes how I drive it everyday, hence the reason I have never had a ridiculously high dyno number. I have had straight 100 in my car once and it was with my K04, all other times and dyno's have been on 93 octane

[F16HTON]

Its REVO vs E-REVO lol Same shit David just tweaks his files, it just so happens that most of the guys that all push there shit and track there cars get there stuff from Ecode. Is there file better, yes, is it the reason the few Elim cars hes talking about are running 12's and making 300whp + and not many others are, NO!

I would consider Greg and good friend as he has always been willing to and has helped me with problems, questions, etc. Sometimes I just have to give him shit when he gets his E-Code thug attitude!!!

Shawn is just crying because he cannot get what he wants from REVO unless he breaks down and asks David it just will not happen either

I will always be there for Shawn no matter what and I am pretty sure once he sees the light he will be running the DTH/Full-Race B6 Tubular BAT setup.

[sambrody44]

Understood on both parts.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I have had straight 100 in my car once and it was with my K04, all other times and dyno's have been on 93 octane

And Meth injection

[dirtybrd]

Well Greg, you've seen a video of my car doing a pull. What do you feel it would dyno at? I know it feels way more then 300AWHP. I might be going and running to 1/8 mile or Thurs.

[F16HTON]

I know what it will make but I do not want to Jinx you. I will send it to you in PM

[A4ringedONE8T]

lol, wth is that? Chris PM me!