Anyone try making the gas pedal closer up to the other pedals?

[a4_1.8t_01]

Im asking because it would be easier for heel toe downshifting. Or do the pedal covers help with that? Thanks

[llewop_211]

yeah i cant get used to em either, if the gas pedal was a few cm higher and the brake a little to the right it would be no problem.

[Poopie]

pedal covers help a lot. I need to move mine over to my new avant.

[belinko]

For the past year or so I've been working on Heel & Toe driving with the stock setup and I must say I got use to the Audi pedal location. If anything I would suggest getting a some aftermarket pedals. This will raise the height of the accelerator and the pedals are usually wider, which brings them closer together.

I drove a couple of subi's lately and their pedals are supposed to be setup for this and after getting use to the Audi setup it was kind of akward for me. $.02

There's an awesome vid of the Turbo'd VR6 B5 from 034 motorsports with a driver doing 4 wheel drifts at Laguna Seca with a cam on his foot work. If you can find the vid it will be helpful. Notice how he stabs the pedal with his right foot.

Here's the vid: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VkVKEbuHr_Q&feature=related

[big_greasy_taco]

I find heel toeing to be almost impossible with the stock setup. New pedals should be fatter and raise the accel.

[a4_1.8t_01]

Yeah 034 has a different setup though. It looks like the pedals are bolted on the floor.

[andyrew]

034 has wilwood setup or similar, nothing close to stock.

[belinko]

It's def. easier to H&T with the 034 setup. What I was getting at was how the driver was using his right foot. Using that technique lets you H&T with the stock setup. It feels weird at first but it works. Getting a new set of pedals usually works fine.

[bass_lover1]

Since I have bad knees, I can't turn my foot like that without severe discomfort, so instead of heal toeing, I use the sides of my feet. The left half of my foot pushes on the brake, the right half of my foot taps the accelerator, all I need to do is slightly roll my ankle and I accomplish the same thing.

[Stampy]

Man I thought the pedals were too close! Of course I wear a size 14 shoe, that probably has a lot to do with it...

[onemoremile]

034's setup looks like a floor mount Tilton pedal assembly.

That is what heel-toe is. The heel and toe actually have nothing to do with it. It is more of a side foot movement but it really depends on the size of your feet. I use the ball of my foot on the brake and the whole right half of my foot on the gas. The 1.8 with a stock flywheel takes a pretty deep prod to rev match.

I got used to the stock pedals but the AWE pedals are much better. If I was getting new ones I'd look for a full set with dead pedal. I'd probably go with ultimate pedals or similar.

[a4_1.8t_01]

Thanks I will check them out.

[gmx]

I was thinking about using an "auto" brake pedal instead of normal, what do you guys reckon?

[boostedup]

034's setup looks like a floor mount Tilton pedal assembly.

That is what heel-toe is. The heel and toe actually have nothing to do with it. It is more of a side foot movement but it really depends on the size of your feet. I use the ball of my foot on the brake and the whole right half of my foot on the gas. The 1.8 with a stock flywheel takes a pretty deep prod to rev match.

I got used to the stock pedals but the AWE pedals are much better. If I was getting new ones I'd look for a full set with dead pedal. I'd probably go with ultimate pedals or similar.

that website is sweet. custom engraving and/or machined pockets....how much do you think a set including dead-pedal from them would b?

[Bic-Ball]

i had the camera in the car one day and figured why not. i find driving with flip flops impossible and barefoot makes it easier to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHNAAP47AU

[Mooseimage]

Easy solution to Heel-Toe: wide shoes. haha.

[Mawhitey]

i had the camera in the car one day and figured why not. i find driving with flip flops impossible and barefoot makes it easier to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcHNAAP47AU

Thats a good a clear vid, thumbs up from me, as i been playing with this too lately

[hiwords1]

it's pretty annoying to do heel toe but i do what onemoremile does. or, you can do the opposite and use your heel on the brake and the ball of your foot on the gas. either ways works but the second way makes you turn your foot more. practise makes perfect. as for bic-ball, that's a great vid man. too bad my foot isn't as big as yours lol.

[bassed]

You get used to stock, christ I've had AWE pedals sitting in the garage for year plus and still have not installed them and do just fine with the stock setup and have done so for 5 -6 years. The best set out there that I've seen to date is the Rennline kit from where the infamous Tom Ritt works

[gmx]

Those don't stand out at all from what other companies offer, and for $175 doesn't even come with the throttle extender. 4 piece + extender = $265USD.

I've pretty much decided on an AVT set.

[bassed]

Those don't stand out at all from what other companies offer, and for $175 doesn't even come with the throttle extender. 4 piece + extender = $265USD.

I've pretty much decided on an AVT set.

Say what? These are Vehicle specific noob, and Rennline does nothing but racing products of the highest calibre. If you need more than that to rev match, than you should try not to rev match. If you can't do it with the stock pedals I say the same thing. Stop being a cheap whinny Aussie.

[gmx]

Say what? These are Vehicle specific noob, and Rennline does nothing but racing products of the highest calibre. If you need more than that to rev match, than you should try not to rev match. If you can't do it with the stock pedals I say the same thing. Stop being a cheap whinny Aussie.

wow... because I have small feet I should not seek solutions to make it easier.
Highest calibre, stop licking ass please. Look at the product, it doesn't tell me anything or stand out compared to others. What do you do? Look at them all day?

AVT are vehicle specific as well

Ok Mr Road car racer.

what a wanker.

[bassed]

wow... because I have small feet I should not seek solutions to make it easier.
Highest calibre, stop licking ass please. Look at the product, it doesn't tell me anything or stand out compared to others. What do you do? Look at them all day?

AVT are vehicle specific as well

Ok Mr Road car racer.

what a wanker.

I wear a UK size 8.5 or 27cm
I've had the privilege of driving on all sorts or pedals in a slew of Audi's, many of the guys are on here; even with my tiny little feet I can still deal with stock and have no issues ANd as for all day I am an Architectural Designer, so I don't online much unless its for spec or detail information.

Here's how they are in the B5

[Bic-Ball]

too bad my foot isn't as big as yours lol.

i have tiny size 9 feet :p

[djwimbo]

I learned how to Heel/Toe while driving my Camaro in the winter. That was a lot of fun.
I haven't ever really tried it in the Audi, other than a little bit in the snow here and there.

Something I'll have to work on.

[le91688]

Does it have any purpose outside of autocross?

[Bic-Ball]

uh, downshifting. i do it frequently on offramps because i need to speed back up quickly.

[djwimbo]

There's a difference between rev matching and heel/Toe braking

[InTTruder]

When I plant my heel just under the brake pedal, HnT is perfect, w- or w/o pedals (I have a set of AWE installed now). If you do it right, you have already begun depressing the bp so it is at/near the accelerator height anyway. Makes a perfect blip in either my TT or in the Avant.

Change nothing that doesn't NEED changing.

[Bic-Ball]

There's a difference between rev matching and heel/Toe braking

i'd just prefer not to brake, then downshift, i find it easier and more fluid to do them together.

[gmx]

I wear a UK size 8.5 or 27cm
I've had the privilege of driving on all sorts or pedals in a slew of Audi's(1), many of the guys are on here; even with my tiny little feet I can still deal with stock and have no issues(3) ANd as for all day I am an Architectural Designer, so I don't argue? online much unless its for spec or detail information.(3)

Here's how they are in the

1.Good for you, as I said, road cars. Deal with low lvl open wheels or real dedicated race cars, then you get what I mean.
2. I can deal with it barely with a US10/UK8, but why should we when these products are designed to make it easier? If you've ever sat in, or even drove a real race car you would see they have much bigger pedals with different grips on different pedals. Yes they use different mounting mechanisms but the principle/topic is the same. Surface area and convenience of the pedals.
3. Carefactor? 0. The need to tell me (brag? lol) what you do during the day is only a personal inferiority problem to be rectified by yourself.

I'm still leaning towards Ultimate or AVT.
Probably both with an Auto (ie fat/wide) brake pedal.

[Siena]

The answer's bigger feet.

I'm a UK size 13, and sometimes press bot the gas and brake pedals.
I had to actually move the gas pedal further away from the brake.

[onemoremile]

I can heel/toe better in KC Reaction or Allen Edmunds dress shoes than with actual driving shoes. Can do it in flip flops too.

I want to move the brake pedal to the left a bit. I wear a US 12 Euro 46 and it can be a little tight between the brake and trans tunnel. Every once in a while I'll take my foot off the gas and get stuck under the edge of the brake pedal. Before getting this car I test drove an older A6 (95?) automatic and it was much closer. My foot wouldn't fit.

[bassed]

1.Good for you, as I said, road cars. Deal with low lvl open wheels or real dedicated race cars, then you get what I mean.
2. I can deal with it barely with a US10/UK8, but why should we when these products are designed to make it easier? If you've ever sat in, or even drove a real race car you would see they have much bigger pedals with different grips on different pedals. Yes they use different mounting mechanisms but the principle/topic is the same. Surface area and convenience of the pedals.
3. Carefactor? 0. The need to tell me (brag? lol) what you do during the day is only a personal inferiority problem to be rectified by yourself.

I'm still leaning towards Ultimate or AVT.
Probably both with an Auto (ie fat/wide) brake pedal.

I'm a busy guy simply pointing out that I don't sit around all day and look at pedal sets online. Odd you come rip roaring in here tossing off with a whopping 22 post. Yes I've sat in real race cars, driven a few as well. There are a few here or AW with either full prepped cars and or pretty damn close with their track cars, myself included. Before you go ripping around trying to heel toe, learn to drive first. Think before you go bashing a very decent product you have not driven with, even seen on the actual application until I posted the pic of it in a B5, keep your mind open to the fact that different strokes for different folks.

Jim so true about most dress shoes, any leather sole shoe that has a bit of slip.

[djwimbo]

i'd just prefer not to brake, then downshift, i find it easier and more fluid to do them together.

We'll see on Labor Day weekend what works for me at the track.

I know it's not proper, but I do a combo of both. It really depends on what corner and at what speed. Ideally you should have it in whatever gear you need, to hold and accel out of the corner, before you're into it. On an easier turn I'll brake early and then rev match so I get it into gear just as I'm coming into the corner. The harder corners, I'm honestly not sure what I do, I just do it.

[a4_1.8t_01]

Thanks for the replies. Honestly I find it hard to do with the heel on the gas and toes on the brake. The only way I was successful was heel on the brake and then toes on the gas. It works but I dont like doing it. I wear size 8.5 US so thats probably why I cant do it in stock form.

[a4_1.8t_01]

I wonder if those aftermarket pedals improve the grip. The stock are crappy when they get wet.

[onemoremile]

Your heels and toes have nothing to do with it. The term is seriously misleading.

Flip a shoe over and lay a stripe of 2" masking tape down the middle. When properly rev-matching that tape won't touch either pedal. The sole on one side is on the brake and the other side stabs the throttle. I'd bet only about 1/4 - 1/2" of the brake pedal ever gets touched. My AWE brake pedal is worn down already on the right side from this.




All pedals are slippery when wet. Take a smooth pedal and add some skateboard grip tape if this is a problem. Heating the pedal with a heatgun or blowdryer helps activate the adhesive which keeps the tape in place.