PES Supercharger

[SuperAvant]

PES Tuning is slated to have a S/C available by late summer. Looks like a roots blower similar to MTM but have a cost around $7K.

www.pes-tuning.com

[littleredwagen]

you smell that......

(i will believe it when i see it)

[Mello]

Looks to be for the A8, A6/S6, and Allroad only?

[SuperAvant]

Looks to be for the A8, A6/S6, and Allroad only?

I emailed the guy tony and he said S4 FSi and non FSi should be out by end of summer. Dont know how much BS he is spraying but I thought its better than APR not even responding to this question anymore...

[RAudi Driver]

you smell that......

(i will believe it when i see it)

lol

[V-8]

I emailed the guy tony and he said S4 FSi and non FSi should be out by end of summer. Dont know how much BS he is spraying but I thought its better than APR not even responding to this question anymore...

I called PES back in early 2006 and was given the same information. That's not to say what he said wasn't true, they are probably working on it, but I wouldn't get caught up in release estimates at this point. The same can be said for the AWE-VF kit.

As for APR, they posted on AW a long time ago that their 4.2L supercharger project was put on hold for an indefinite amount of time, i.e. probably forever.

[asurugger]

if its true i'll be all over that for 7k

[Mello]

I called PES back in early 2006 and was given the same information.

Looks like the kit for the A8, etc all say "In develpement Spring 2007"

[nimski62]

No way in frikkin HELL will i EVER buy a product designed by tony. i already blew up my 3.0, no way in hell ill be touching my 4.2 like that..

BTW, tony IS bullshit.. you should've saw the way he was trying to sell me his blower for my 3.0.. 'Oh no we've not had any blow ups' blah blah blah.. YEAH, bull shit. another one bit the dust tony you mother ******

[SuperAvant]

I thought a lot of 3.0's had the PES charger without much incident? doesnt ill3.0 have one? maybe I am wrong...

[HP18]

PES

[eddier]

No way in frikkin HELL will i EVER buy a product designed by tony. i already blew up my 3.0, no way in hell ill be touching my 4.2 like that..

BTW, tony IS bullshit.. you should've saw the way he was trying to sell me his blower for my 3.0.. 'Oh no we've not had any blow ups' blah blah blah.. YEAH, bull shit. another one bit the dust tony you mother ******

soooo do you like or dislike tony?

[nimski62]

I thought a lot of 3.0's had the PES charger without much incident? doesnt ill3.0 have one? maybe I am wrong...

Yes Ill does have one. So did 3.0KING.. he gave me his phone number via PM bc he felt for me.. you guys dont even wanna know how many motors 3.0king blew up bc of tony...

And im pretty sure Ill3.0 drives his car like a BABY because he knows PES' tuning is shit and when he gets some money together hes going in for a custom tune. My problem was I trusted tony.. and didnt trust AZ <-- biggest mistake of my life (yet)

[nimski62]

soooo do you like or dislike tony?

lol what do you think?

[nimski62]

PES

I talked to this boy on AIM... and he had me convinced to return the blower to the point where I called up PES and asked for a refund.

Next thing you know, here I am, boostin away. and BAM.. blew a ring

[Ill 3.0]

And im pretty sure Ill3.0 drives his car like a BABY because he knows PES' tuning is shit and when he gets some money together hes going in for a custom tune.

Kind of, not exactly. I've been over 6k rpms multiple times, but under normal driving keep it within 5500. I don't get any pinging and my A/F looks good based on VAG-COM (wideband O2 sensor going in once catless downpipes are available). My software is slightly different than what Tony developed about a year ago, and what has caused the most problems. I'm considering a custom tune, but since I don't have any signs of trouble and my blackstone lab report showed lower than average signs of wear, I might just keep doing what I have been. I could either pay 2k for custom tune and water/meth install, or drive it hard and pay 5-6k for a new built bottom end including labor if something goes. Still not sure which way I'll go.

Bottom line, no I wouldn't buy anything from PES.

[rayveedub]

im am not defending PES in any way, but im pretty sure that most of the 3.0l that were bolwn up were on stock blocks. In my experience anybody that is boosting a NA car without at least a spacer gasket is asking for trouble, thats just common sense imho. I dont do any type of turbo kit for any NA car without at least spacers.....and if its a motor that is suspect under boost i would build the bottom end or not do it at all. that goes for the 3.0 or 4.2. I dont have alot of experience with supercharged 3.0l's but a friend does have one. I was impressed. I think its a fun kit......needs better ecu tuning though.

[Corrado79]

soooo do you like or dislike tony?

LOL.

[nimski62]

Kind of, not exactly. I've been over 6k rpms multiple times, but under normal driving keep it within 5500. I don't get any pinging and my A/F looks good based on VAG-COM (wideband O2 sensor going in once catless downpipes are available). My software is slightly different than what Tony developed about a year ago, and what has caused the most problems. I'm considering a custom tune, but since I don't have any signs of trouble and my blackstone lab report showed lower than average signs of wear, I might just keep doing what I have been. I could either pay 2k for custom tune and water/meth install, or drive it hard and pay 5-6k for a new built bottom end including labor if something goes. Still not sure which way I'll go.

Bottom line, no I wouldn't buy anything from PES.

Dude s4 is a whole new world.. you'll forget about your boost so fast.. the powerband is so smooth and amazing... save your money, sell your car and buy an s4 ;)

[Quattroownsyou]

Friend of mine had the PES blower on his 2.8....he hated it. Never worked properly (throwing cels all the time, running rich, running lean...etc..). Tony did not provide very good support or feedback in helping him sort through the issues he was having. In the end, he ended up pulling the blower off and selling the car.

Tony and PES ...i don't care if they bring a twin turbo out for the V8 S4...i would avoid them like the plague.

[Cargo8]

wait end of summer? i thought it was due in 2 weeks!

[UberDave]

Friend of mine had the PES blower on his 2.8....he hated it. Never worked properly (throwing cels all the time, running rich, running lean...etc..). Tony did not provide very good support or feedback in helping him sort through the issues he was having. In the end, he ended up pulling the blower off and selling the car.

Tony and PES ...i don't care if they bring a twin turbo out for the V8 S4...i would avoid them like the plague.

I LOVED the G2 on my 2.8, never had any problems with it. The problem started when PES quit using GIAC for their software and went to an "in house" solution, unfortunately that included most of the 3.0 guys I think. Seriously, the G2 was dialed-in for the 2.8, it's a shame PES thought they could get away from using a 1st rate software company. Ran just like stock until I punched it, then it was like a completely different car.

[PenguiN]

I think its time for all of us to collectively agree that the hunt for forced induction for the S4 should be put to an end. Not only has this car become a distant memory in the eyes of tuners, think about it in a business point of view. With all of these new cars coming out, you think tuners are going to put their time and money into a car that is long gone? The would rather focus their research and development on newer cars with newer technology. If there was going to be anything for this car as for as FI goes, it would have already been out. my .02

[Ill 3.0]

probably, but the HPF kit for the e46 M3 came out not too long ago and that is an older platform. also, there is still development going on for the B6 A4, though I do realize it is much easier to tweak an existing FI engine.

[SuperAvant]

I think its time for all of us to collectively agree that the hunt for forced induction for the S4 should be put to an end. Not only has this car become a distant memory in the eyes of tuners, think about it in a business point of view. With all of these new cars coming out, you think tuners are going to put their time and money into a car that is long gone? The would rather focus their research and development on newer cars with newer technology. If there was going to be anything for this car as for as FI goes, it would have already been out. my .02

Yeah I dont know about this... The aftermarket market's bread and butter are cars that are not new. Think about it, you have a much larger market here as people can afford older cars and then pay to have them tuned up. How many people go out and tear apart brand new cars? Not too many.

The 2.7TT market is as strong as ever. Think of all the Honda tuners that still provide products for engines that are over 10 years old. I think that the reason we dont have FI is because it is certainly a tricky bitch to create. The engine compartment is tiny and the ECU is extremely complicated. Common rail fuel injection is tough to tune. But look at this market on this website. SO many people have shown interest in an FI system for our cars. Furthermore, many people who own the B6 and B7 S4's have owned them since new. Now in general, most of us have some cash laying around and would certainly like to see our vehicles hang with Stage 3 S4's. The market is there. I am sure the tuners realize this. Its a matter of making a product that is reliable and effective.

[littleredwagen]

Yeah I dont know about this... The aftermarket market's bread and butter are cars that are not new. Think about it, you have a much larger market here as people can afford older cars and then pay to have them tuned up. How many people go out and tear apart brand new cars? Not too many.

The 2.7TT market is as strong as ever. Think of all the Honda tuners that still provide products for engines that are over 10 years old. I think that the reason we dont have FI is because it is certainly a tricky bitch to create. The engine compartment is tiny and the ECU is extremely complicated. Common rail fuel injection is tough to tune. But look at this market on this website. SO many people have shown interest in an FI system for our cars. Furthermore, many people who own the B6 and B7 S4's have owned them since new. Now in general, most of us have some cash laying around and would certainly like to see our vehicles hang with Stage 3 S4's. The market is there. I am sure the tuners realize this. Its a matter of making a product that is reliable and effective.

all true but you left out relatively affordable

[bloodstar57]

all true but you left out relatively affordable

Thats a subjective term so i see why he left that part out

[JoeM]

What about the Motodyne kit? There claim to be releasing a new one also in the sub 10K segment.

[Cargo8]

Search it on the forums, perhaps throw in the word "horror" with "motodyne"

and we shall NOT mention motodyne again in this thread unless by accident. god forbid another thread talking about motodyne.

[yakendo]

Clearly, there appears to be great demand on AZ for a sub 10K B6/B7 FI system.

However, even if every S4 owner (obviously I'm assuming relatively low production numbers) in the USA bought a kit, would there be enough volume, assuming a low price point, for the manufacture to turn a profit?

BTW: does anyone know about the reliability of MTM's kit? If it is not perfect at that price point it seems doubtful that anyone could produce a sub 10K solution.

Personally, I hope I'm wrong!

[blur510]

soooo do you like or dislike tony?

lol.. good one..

[V-8]

BTW: does anyone know about the reliability of MTM's kit? If it is not perfect at that price point it seems doubtful that anyone could produce a sub 10K solution.

Mine has been working fine, but the issue with MTM is getting it to work properly on a US-spec car more so than reliability--it's a very solid kit and has been out for a very long time. Even a "perfect" kit can fail though... anyone that buys aftermarket FI, regardless of it being sub $10K or $30K, should be prepared for failures anyway.

[yakendo]

V-8:

I agree with your points about the quality of MTM & the reality of FI.

In fact, I probably should of said driveability.

Why is it harder for MTM to tune a US spec car?

[V-8]

Why is it harder for MTM to tune a US spec car?

MTM would probably have no trouble tuning a US-spec car, but they don't even look at them, much less design their kits around them. So to make everything fit right and work properly is entirely up to the installer. There are a number of differences that have to be dealt with from the bumper design (for the additional radiator) to fuel delivery and management. The "kit" won't just bolt onto a US-spec car and work out of the box.

[ChronicTeutonic]

Here is an MTM install in the US... http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publi...cle_2452.shtml

[SuperAvant]

Clearly, there appears to be great demand on AZ for a sub 10K B6/B7 FI system.

However, even if every S4 owner (obviously I'm assuming relatively low production numbers) in the USA bought a kit, would there be enough volume, assuming a low price point, for the manufacture to turn a profit?

BTW: does anyone know about the reliability of MTM's kit? If it is not perfect at that price point it seems doubtful that anyone could produce a sub 10K solution.

Personally, I hope I'm wrong!

I still cant figure out why the MTM kit is so expensive. Its not like manufacturing a SC is incredibly difficult nor extremely expensive. I bet their profit margin on the SC's are huge. If I were them, I would reduce the cost and I bet they would see a much better return. However, I bet they simply arent set up to mass produce.

[PenguiN]

I still cant figure out why the MTM kit is so expensive. Its not like manufacturing a SC is incredibly difficult nor extremely expensive. I bet their profit margin on the SC's are huge. If I were them, I would reduce the cost and I bet they would see a much better return. However, I bet they simply arent set up to mass produce.

Its expensive because of all the time and money spent on R&D. There isnt much of a market for FI for this car, so they want to compensate for that fact that not many will be sold anyway.

[V-8]

Here is an MTM install in the US... http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publi...cle_2452.shtml

Here's another one.

http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/rea...6-s4-25quattro

[ChronicTeutonic]

That wouldn't happen to be yours?

In any case the intake casting looks waaaay better than the one I posted.

[Mello]

Here's another one.

http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/rea...6-s4-25quattro

I had no idea that was yours. One of my favs. Awesome [O_O]