335i vs. Stg 3 S4?

[AUDILUX]

Does anyone have any info on chipped 335i running against a Stg3 S4? I found the following post with a dyno chart that shows a chipped 335i putting down over 400 whp! Wonder if those small turbos will last. Here's the post -
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...d.php?t=104948

[EvilllEmpirE]

will depend on the Stage 3 S4......healthty/strong running Stage 3's will pull handily on the fastest tuned and modded 335's......while normal or slower Stage 3 S4's will be close with them, though they should still end up ahead

[b5rs4]

that is really nice but it voids the warranty right ? or when the turbos blow you just take out the v2 chip and take it to th dealership for a new turbo.

[AudiSportB5S4]

well first off its a dynojet so dont go by those numbers :-p j/k.... but also thats with a catback exhaust. so thats not just "chipped"

[AudiSportB5S4]

oh and 98 octane fuel mix it says lol... im also suprised at how that dyno looks... the HP comes on late.... i mean compared to K04s where you get the full boost by like 3400 and the curve is much more flatlined. that looks like you have to wait until the end of the gear to get that 407, oh well

[Vuel Egham]

will depend on the Stage 3 S4......healthty/strong running Stage 3's will pull handily on the fastest tuned and modded 335's......while normal or slower Stage 3 S4's will be close with them, though they should still end up ahead

True, a strong 6 speed AWE Stage 3, for example, will hand a 335, even with software and exhaust, it's arse. Plenty of videos on YouTube about this.

[Rated S]

Wonder if those small turbos will last.

Friend with a chipped/exhaust 335 has already blown a turbo in under 8k miles.
Seems to be happening.


I guess k03s are looking good right now .

[Obi_agent]

How much hp does the 'Stage 3' S4 produce and, what about the weight?? The 335i is producing around 400hp with chip,catless Dp and upgraded intercooler's...so, it could be a tough call to seperate the 2:D!

[hachirokukid]

now a 135i on the other hand might be a different story.

[ThirdStrike]

400 wheel is 400 wheel dynojet or not (mustang dyno ~360?). thats impressive for bolt ons.

[ThirdStrike]

now a 135i on the other hand might be a different story.

335i and 135i weigh almost the same.. so no .. not a different story

[Rated S]

335i and 135i weigh almost the same.. so no .. not a different story

True.

The weight difference between the 135 and 335 is only about 270lbs. It's negligible.

[McKennaS4]

400 wheel is 400 wheel dynojet or not (mustang dyno ~360?). thats impressive for bolt ons.

unfortunately, not true. u never know from dyno to dyno car to car unfortunately again.

[hachirokukid]

True.

The weight difference between the 135 and 335 is only about 270lbs. It's negligible.

are you serious?

take 250 pounds of your car and see what it runs...

[Rated S]

are you serious?

take 250 pounds of your car and see what it runs...

Yeah I understand that "250" can be considered a lot. But people are thinking the 135 and 335 is like comparing our car to a miata. Give me 2 passengers in the 135 and it will outweight the 335 with just a driver.
My car isn't a tincan (sorry marc) so to me, and MOST BMW drivers who enjoy the comforts of having a german car can say 250lbs IS negligible.

[AUDILUX]

Personally, I think the whole concept of the 135i is kinda retarded. 250 lbs savings is not worth the shorter wheel base and ugly ass design that BMW imposed on what is essentially a midget 3-series. Let's forget about the $$$ savings, b/c the 135i is marginally cheaper than the 335i.

Anyway, I digress...so any guesses as to what PSI they are running on that 335i?

[Das General]

I would rock either car...I think the 335 looks sweet. Sure it's a little on the chunky side, but lets be real, if you owned that car you probably aren't taking it to the track more than you daily drive it.


You can cut some fat off it too with the basics...

[Fabelhaft]

yeah...335i is a killer...135i for sure...
but I never thought about trade in my 330ci tho~lol...
EVEN 335i is WAY faster...plus worked @BMW...touch them all day long...plus friend's...lol
I have to say the E92 is a big improvement...
never tried a S4...and stilll lookin for the right one...so I can't judge it...
but after seein some video online...Stg3 is a killer for sure...
blown turbo, never heard one, but I know the 1st shipment of 335i got LOTS of pbs...
and I don't think take the chip out will do anything...the computer tells all...

[SeattleS4]

The weight difference between the 135 and 335 is only about 270lbs. It's negligible.

You're probably one of those dudes who drives around with six 45lb. Ivanko weight plates in the back of the trunk just for fun.

270lbs is not so insignificant and small to be classified as negligible, IMO. With everything else being equal between a 135i and 335i, the 270lb difference should be good for a 0.15s to 0.30s decrease in 1/4mi ET's and a mph or two.

A buddy of mine once owned a car that made nearly 1,000hp and over 1,000tq. When our other friend (who weighed nearly 300lbs) rode in that car, he could 'feel' the difference in acceleration and stopping.

[ThirdStrike]

unfortunately, not true. u never know from dyno to dyno car to car unfortunately again.

youre not impressed with 350+whp with a retune and exhaust?! *my point* was its impressive to see those kind of numbers with such little mods....

[Rated S]

You're probably one of those dudes who drives around with six 45lb. Ivanko weight plates in the back of the trunk just for fun.

No but I have OEM RS6 18" wheels on which are probably close to those weight plates.

[BaLLzZz]

Whats up fellas whell i have a 335 and drove a few stage 3 s4s. Funny thing is im in the market for a stage 3 s4 for my second baby. But back to the topic normally chipped 335s are putting down between 325-375whp. There have only been one or 2 turbo failures in just about 2 years on all the forums. But the 335 with a FMIC, Chip, DPs, uncatted exhaust etc basically all bolt ons... there are no upgraded turbos kits nothing yet still to new we are putting down heavy hp. Running with m5s e55s e63. Let me find a video of one of the guys from my forum. Make sure you watch because in the video he was using oem DVs not forged ones so he wasn't holding full boost

Here ya go i love both cars not bashing anything just showing you the potential at this stage for the 335s

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MAcbel9vEc

[EvilllEmpirE]

Whats up fellas whell i have a 335 and drove a few stage 3 s4s. Funny thing is im in the market for a stage 3 s4 for my second baby. But back to the topic normally chipped 335s are putting down between 325-375whp. There have only been one or 2 turbo failures in just about 2 years on all the forums. But the 335 with a FMIC, Chip, DPs, uncatted exhaust etc basically all bolt ons... there are no upgraded turbos kits nothing yet still to new we are putting down heavy hp. Running with m5s e55s e63. Let me find a video of one of the guys from my forum. Make sure you watch because in the video he was using oem DVs not forged ones so he wasn't holding full boost

Here ya go i love both cars not bashing anything just showing you the potential at this stage for the 335s

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MAcbel9vEc

i've ran WalkedU from the 335i forums......we've met up and ran plenty of times. He's ran a couple of our different Stage 3 S4's.......let's just say none of the tuned 335 guys like running me, Bone-Doc-S4, nor Ah10's S4's

[EvilllEmpirE]

How much hp does the 'Stage 3' S4 produce and, what about the weight?? The 335i is producing around 400hp with chip,catless Dp and upgraded intercooler's...so, it could be a tough call to seperate the 2:D!

on a same Dynojet....S4 will make 450-460 awhp with matching TQ, and weighs about 3500 lbs. Well running S4 will walk a well running 335i hard.......

[lrg8683]

the 335 will be a better platform than the B5 S because it's an inline 6 and eventually you'll be able to slap a big single on there and smoke pretty much everything.

[SilverSurferS4]

this doesnt really pertain to anything in this thread, but i seen a new blue m3 today... and was like WOWWWWWWW...... car looks sick in person... and sounds nice tooo...

[SilverSurferS4]

the 335 will be a better platform than the B5 S because it's an inline 6 and eventually you'll be able to slap a big single on there and smoke pretty much everything.

Including their tires! AWD FTW!

[cerfus]

335i by far, less headache and a warranty, and if you mod, save your self the coin of problems and just go Dinan.

[OneSickSedan]

I'd love to have a 335 or 135 for the simple facts that they have a straight six and also because they have pretty much 50/50 weight distribution. Those are the main reasons I love BMW's, but not their owners soo much. I like how they move the engines as far back behind the front axle as possible to achieve this weight distribution. RWD and all of this would be awesome for a road course.

Single turbo on these car would be sick. The only question is how much hp their magnesium blocks could handle. I think they have some iron liners or something like that in the cylinders but how much does that help?

Since there are no turbo kits out for them right now, I don't think 335's or 135's on stock turbo's with whatever mods should be able to touch healthy stage 3 s4's. When they get turbo kits, we'll get gt turbo's. Except for Jackson because his car hauls ass.

[BaLLzZz]

i've ran WalkedU from the 335i forums......we've met up and ran plenty of times. He's ran a couple of our different Stage 3 S4's.......let's just say none of the tuned 335 guys like running me, Bone-Doc-S4, nor Ah10's S4's

I beleive it and am taking no credit away from the b5 s4s hell im in the market for one lol. All im saying is for the time the n54 has been out on the
e92 platform we have came a long way and thats only been 2 years. The b5 s4 had about 8 years lOl. My car puts about 270-280rwhp stock. We have gotten them up to over 400rwhp in just about 2 years its pretty impresive.

And to whoever said they wanted to see a single on my ar someone has done it but i think the lag overcomes the upgrade. Thats whta makes my car shine the powerband on a 335 is from 1500-5500rpms thats 300hp 300tq threwout there. BUT HEY EVEILEMPIRE cannot wait to get wrenching on my b5s4 when i find her=)

[Killerteve]

Most n54 chips run between 12-15psi, but they have reduce boost by redline. Dp's are a big upgrade on that car too, they say even catted dp's are good for 15 at the wheels. VIP tuning is doing a single upgrade but as far as i know haven't dyno'ed or anything yet. Check http://www.n54tech.com to see how it's going. I think most of the tuned guys are running 12's

[AUDILUX]

( http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93865 ) versus the AWE Stage 3 ( http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/info...cfm?content=28 ).

The 335i looks like its peak torque (417) comes quickly (at around 3000 rpm) and then falls rather quickly to 350 (at around 4000), whereas the torque curve for the AWE Stage 3 (on race fuel) seems smoother (hitting peak later (4500 rpm), but maintaining a smoother more powerful torque curve). As for WHP, AWE = 416 @ 5750rpm; 335i = 398 @ 6000. What seems interesting here is that the S4 cracks 400 whp at 5200 rpm and stays there longer, wherese the 335i is only at 340 whp around 5200 rpm.

I think it is more fair to compare the curves of the AWE stage 3 on race fuel, since the 335i is running 98 octane. Thoughts?

[EUROTEK//S4]

bOOsted bimmers OWN!

[Das General]

Bimmer owners that wish they were bOOsted are losers. *cough you cough*

[BaLLzZz]

Everything you stated was true but the thing about those dynos are that was when v2 was released on an original map. Since then there have been many maps corecting much of what you said heck even a new version v3. But as of now the b5 s4 does hold the crown in sheer speed. But like some have already said in this thread the 51/49 distibution and the feel might outweigh the speed. Not in my case but some.

( http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93865 ) versus the AWE Stage 3 ( http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/info...cfm?content=28 ).

The 335i looks like its peak torque (417) comes quickly (at around 3000 rpm) and then falls rather quickly to 350 (at around 4000), whereas the torque curve for the AWE Stage 3 (on race fuel) seems smoother (hitting peak later (4500 rpm), but maintaining a smoother more powerful torque curve). As for WHP, AWE = 416 @ 5750rpm; 335i = 398 @ 6000. What seems interesting here is that the S4 cracks 400 whp at 5200 rpm and stays there longer, wherese the 335i is only at 340 whp around 5200 rpm.

I think it is more fair to compare the curves of the AWE stage 3 on race fuel, since the 335i is running 98 octane. Thoughts?

[Rated S]

bOOsted bimmers OWN!

Yeah, wouldn't it be so great to actually have one?

[BaLLzZz]

Yeah, wouldn't it be so great to actually have one?

yUppP

[Obi_agent]

on a same Dynojet....S4 will make 450-460 awhp with matching TQ, and weighs about 3500 lbs. Well running S4 will walk a well running 335i hard.......

....460hp is impressive on Dynojet....Is this figure with RS4's KO4 turbo's upgrade or stock S4 K03's?

[Das General]

That would be a K04 car. A well running one too.

[Obi_agent]

^^^

So no one keeps the K03's right?!

Anyway, thanks