ko4 pricing?

[slopoke]

What is a normal price for a k04? i have seen them for $700+ is that right? For that kind of money why not go gtxx?

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

if you searched you know thats the going price.
they dont sit on the shelves for long before they are snatched up.
gt2x is not watercooled.
search button is your friend.
search turb review or the turbo by its name.

[slopoke]

i did just seems like alot of $$$ for 20-30hp

[slopoke]

Are the NEW k04's on ebay good quality for $360? i found them under ebaymotors-parts - search(a4 1.8t)

[dualaudi]

do you know how much na cars would die for 20 or 30hp for $1000 - $1500 or so of cash... and it's not just 20 or 30, you get all that wonderful torque along with it... if you're coming from stock 150hp, you're getting 220hp... it's well worth it, unless you just want to pick up a gtrs elim... but think about 2.5k+ for that...

[legionvr6]

k04 are worth it if you want a simple bolt on and reliability.

but if your aiming for more them 220 like say 250 or more a nice GTRS eliminator will go you good. its oil and water cooled. and you dont have to deal with things siting in diffrent positions since it bold to the stock set up

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

slopoke - no disrepect but you need to slow down before making a decision and search the forums. because all of your threads are very closely related.
and all have been answered even if you should buy a ko4 from ebay for $350.

[audiness]

there was a good thread about the ebay knockoff K04 just a few days ago.

I really think someone should try one to see what happens!

[ryansonfire]

what happens if the ebay k04s are really bad ass and better quality than borg warner

[prey]

what happens if the ebay k04s are really bad ass and better quality than borg warner

thats what i wanna hear and if its true everyone can go stage 2 haha.

[slopoke]

so nobody on here has ever tried one? find that hard to believe, and what do you care if my threads are closely related? Sorry thread police...Now if you can stay on topic

[.Mad Hatter.]

so nobody on here has ever tried one? find that hard to believe, and what do you care if my threads are closely related? Sorry thread police...Now if you can stay on topic

I think he was trying to be helpful...

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

so nobody on here has ever tried one? find that hard to believe, and what do you care if my threads are closely related? Sorry thread police...Now if you can stay on topic

alright noob
how about you buy that piece of shit turbo for ebay find a why to connect it to your cat and come make a new thread about that...
maybe you should just invest in a turbonator, because it sounds like you have a budget of a party of 2 at mcdonalds...

[.Mad Hatter.]

it sounds like you have a budget of a party of 2 at mcdonalds...

this, right here, is the funniest thing ive read on here in a while. so much so, that its going in my sig.

[slopoke]

why does it sounds like i have a budget? I asked if they were decent turbos? I am also looking into gtxx series, a friend of mine is actually sellin a 35r with 800 miles on it for $700 thus i thought $700 for a k04 was stupid.... Where as the $300 ones ebay sound more realistic, so stfu and diaf

[slopoke]

and who are to call out noobs you have only been on here since 07 also?

[UN-PIMP-Z-A4]

it's okay slopoke...
I have been here since version one of the forum... so dont let the join date fool you... I dont have to prove anything to you newbie... Enough members on here know whom I am and how far back I go. You've been on here long enough to know you need to search and if you did this nor the other post would have been made. I tried to help you out but you acted like a spoil brat!

Your one of those guys that hooks their car up with autozone accesories... Chrome over the wheel wells, plastic nonfunctional antenna, whistle tips (woot woot; bubb rubb style) and fills up with 83 octane... so before you have this thread locked STFU and STFA!!! (since you like acronyms)

As i sd before buy your ebay turbo and enjoy the slowness... Because it seems that your car isn't the only thing that is slow!!!

[.Mad Hatter.]

why does it sounds like i have a budget? I asked if they were decent turbos? I am also looking into gtxx series, a friend of mine is actually sellin a 35r with 800 miles on it for $700 thus i thought $700 for a k04 was stupid.... Where as the $300 ones ebay sound more realistic, so stfu and diaf

the k04 is a bolt on turbo, the 35r, not so much.

you will spend ALOT more on the 35r, if you dont know that already, you shouldnt be buying one.

[slopoke]

I would never touch an accessory from auto zone where do you pull this shit from? On that note i hope nobody who drives a Audi does... and where do you find 83 octane?
E85 yea i would use that if i was tuned for it! Look obviously we got off on the wrong foot, you have me totally wrong and yes i should used the search which i did for k04 pricing and thought people were just out of thier mind. I am the farthest thing from a ricer, i have never liked altezzas or big body kits/wings/chrome acc. Although i will confess that back in 02 my cavalier had z3fenders and cut springs(they were Eibach pro-kit but not low enough LOL) So basically sorry...

[slopoke]

As for the 35r yea it will be alot more $$$ but atleast when im finished with i'll be satisfied.....












































































Yea probably not

[Seerlah]

Most people will tell you to search before asking questions. I will admit it, I search maybe 19/20 things I want to learn. And that one margin is where I just get lazy or just got tired of not finding it. But I am sure others have done it before. Besides, keeps the threads alive.

But when it comes to turbo set ups like others have said, it is not cheap. Unless you go the used product route and do the install yourself. The only time you should get a turbo off of ebay is if it isn an "official" Borg Warner, KKK, or Garrett. They will have stamps as the seller would also want that ot be seen on thier photos to know thier products are official.

A K04 is a direct bolt on and $700 is about right. Though you can find one for cheaper on the classified forum. But to optimise that turbo, the extra things come into play. Exhaust ($200-$1,000), High flow cat ($250-$1000), Injectors ($250), AFPR ($115), MBC/EBC ($50-$250), and tune ($500). That is why others say you can go the gtrs route for about the same money.

As others have stated, do some searches first, then decide what you want to do. For a good set up, you are spending at least $3,500(minus labor) new and at least $2000 used.

Peace!

[slopoke]

I will do all the labor myself, except the tune...

[slopoke]

why do i need a mbc if i get my ecu chipped for the k04? Also a little off topic, i did a search and cannot find what kinda hp the stock block/internals can take. And yes my engine is in great shape all new gaskets from oil pan to vc and my compression is even across the board.

[Seerlah]

You do not "need" an mbc. Just something people tend to find they appreciate or want sooner or later down the road when running higher boost turbos. But I think our engines are good to around 400-450chp (do not quote me on this) and 700lbs of torque.

[slopoke]

wow impressive... Ok so say i run the k04 with pc-16 file and runs i dont know 22psi. If i have a mbc i can turn it up or down? How will the ecu know what to do with fuel/timing/etc?

[Seerlah]

wow impressive... Ok so say i run the k04 with pc-16 file and runs i dont know 22psi. If i have a mbc i can turn it up or down? How will the ecu know what to do with fuel/timing/etc?

You really need to search. Or are you just playin? Hopefully not. But with the mbc you can tune the boost moderately. As for the fuel and timing, the tune should take care of all that. You are not paying $500+ for a tune for nothing.

Edit: Here, I typed "k04" into the Search link and a paged popped up saying it has 1000 threads on the k04 for the B5 A4. You can narrow that search down to find your specific answers by searching with more specific terms. Always remember, the "search" button is your freind.

Not busting your chops, but you really need to learn to use it. This is also a good read.

Peace!

[slopoke]

Sorry but now you are really confusing me. Your saying if i go k04 with the pc16 i'll still have to get it tuned?

[.Mad Hatter.]

dude...you need to do more research

ps-16 IS the tuning.

[slopoke]

yes i know that, i guess i misread what he wrote...

[Seerlah]

It is like this when upgrading turbos:

1)stock is either a k03 or a k03s
-everything is factory
-if one wants to tune the stock turbo they get a ~1 bar chip (GIAC, APR, Revo, etc)
-you will need to get an aftermarket diverter valve
-to optimise this they get an aftermarket high low cat or test pipe and cat back exhaust system

2)next is a K04(what you want):
-it is a direct bolt onto your stock manifold
-you can run this turbo with your stock ECU (non tuned) but that would be rather pointless and will more than likely lead to problems later on (running lean)
-so to make use of the turbo you will need a tune, fpr, and fuel injectors
-to optomise the usage of the turbo you need aftermarket high flow cat or test pipe and cat back exhaust system.

3)after this turbo you have elimator turbo kits, then full turbo kits up to a certain limit that our stock internals can handle. After that point, you will need to replace rods and pistons to handle the extra boost (chp) for bigger turbos or to optimise the use of the larger turbos. You will also need other things as you go bigger such as fuel pumps and clutches. The bigger the more expensive.

4)You should really follow the things I sent on my last post with the edit. They are great write ups. In case you missed them, here they are again:
-http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113728

Quoted from that write up:

K04
The ko4 that you want is the ko4-15. Basic bolt in upgrade. No special required parts unless going for the pc-16, J31, or Hammer files from GIAC. Do not pay more than $800 for a K04 alone. They can be found on any of the various Audi forums for less. GIAC makes a very good program for it. $1300 and an install later you can be rolling with 200whp. When looking you will need the K04-15. do not bother on doing a ko4 for your 2001 A4 if you are not going with the Hammer file. the 2001 model year has the ko3s(sport) so there for the GIAC-X chip with the ko3s will only be slightly less powered than the ko4 on basic GIAC programming. for knowing what you need for these setups contact GIAC directly. as it will be easier than me typing it all out. KineticMotorsport has them for a good price usually

PC-16 - 1997-1999.5 model years~usually runs in the 20-25psi range
j31 - 2000~usually runs in the 25-28psi range
Hammer - 2001 and 2001.5~i think usually runs in the 20psi range"

And that's it. Do more searching. FWIW, I bought my car maybe 4 months ago and knew absolutely nothing about my car or cars in general. Search and read threads as they arise and you will learn. So, I know where you are coming from and I know why people do not want to answer your thread. Read all the links in my former post and do more searches. But I along with others have already told you what you need. Peace!

FWFW Pt2, I am stock and plan on upgrading later down the road. But plan on getting a bigger turbo. I will take my time and do it piece by peice. I just bought my exhaust as that is a big pocket thief. I will get a high flow cat and cruise with that for a while as I build my turbo money pot. Then get a used chip with an ECU for cheap when I find it for a cheap combo (on classified) so I will have an extra ECU to send in for tune when I am ready.

The set up you want is not that hard to piece together. You simply get the k04, p-16 tune for your ECU, fuel injectors, and fuel pressure regulator (get a boost gauge to monitor your turbo. that can be done for like $50 tops). Then to optomise that turbo you get an aftermarket exhaust setup.

[slopoke]

k thanks

[AudiRacerS4]

FUCKING SEARCH...the entire first page is all your posts

[AudiRacerS4]

decide what your goals for the car are before you start buying turbos and deciding on tuning

[RSMESS]

wish i could have read this earlier..

[v1nyd]

this whole thread could of been avoided there's a great write up about basically every turbo upgrade you can do on your car along with cons and pro's...just search like everyones been saying and you'll find your answers quicker and without people flamming you

[a4_1.8t_01]

I will be selling my k04 kit soon since im going to BT...Its def worth it from stock. I have everything to go along with it to use with the most aggressive tune which is from Giac.

[RSMESS]

i actually heard that you can get more with a unitronics flash. how much are you selling your kit for?

[turbo kraut]

http://www.audiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109459
http://audiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93439

read those threads...... alot of info....... pm mike.... he is a world of helpful info

as for the ebay k04's i heard a guy bought one and had to change the "clock" on it if i remeber correct.......some people have read part #'s off them and they are for industrial apps as well

the thread about them a few days ago were for the s4 guys........


i thought about if i had another car getting my k03 gpop shoped....... and then it would bolt up and i could run it as a "stock" turbo for auto X


but for my "real" turbo i am planning on going 71 or 76

k04's are an upgrade but from what i read not much of one if you are tunned, main advantage is the tq

[ghost6303]

But I think our engines are good to around 400-450chp (do not quote me on this) and 700lbs of torque.

something like that