REVO stage 3 TT pron

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

Here is some turbo pron for you boost junkies out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAbFoSSDNrs
Enjoy!
30-130 in about 12-13 seconds,abandoned airport road.

[Maverick]

very nice car you have man! Love the styling.
I have a quick question about another video I saw but not sure about the front bumper.
can you tell me what this front is?

[mtbrider]

Thomas is that your car? What do you think of the internally wastegated 3071r? How much boost are you running?

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

Yes that is my car,running 23-24psi in that vid.The internal gated turbo works perfect in this application.No boost spikes or creep.

[mtbrider]

Whats the inlet and dp size?

[sean1.8t]

safe to say 3" for both^

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

Yes the inlet is 3" and the exhaust is a ATP high flow cat. converter and custom built Borla 3" race exhaust I fabbed up.The engine is completely stock from rods to head,and is makig a easy 400+whp with this setup.Will post a dyno sheet soon.

[mtbrider]

I'm really interested to see the performance of the internal wastegated 3071r, also is this the turbo that ATP is currently marketing as the bolt of turbo for the mazda 3?

[sean1.8t]

Yes the inlet is 3" and the exhaust is a ATP high flow cat. converter and custom built Borla 3" race exhaust I fabbed up.The engine is completely stock from rods to head,and is makig a easy 400+whp with this setup.Will post a dyno sheet soon.

with all due respect, i really wouldn't think that's 400whp. at least not from the looks of it on the video. i'd call between 300 and 350ish..

again, not trying to be a dick. but for a fwd 3017r setup on ~24psi, i would expect it to move a little better..

maybe it is the internal gate that's holding you back? i dunno. but past people that i have talked to that switched from internal to external on 30 series turbo's said it's a BIG noticable difference.. but good luck either way. car is sick

how long you planning to run on stock rods?

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

I also have a 445whp Corrado 16VT with 3076R and external gate.There is no "performance increase" going from internal to external unless you are getting high boost spike or boost creep,the wastegate is simply a control device and unless you are outflowing it,the internal WG functions just fine.
This car dynoed 381whp with the GT2871R (look at my oher youtube videos it is on there at the dyno)and with 25psi daily street boost dynoed 349 whp.
This car is SO much faster than it was at 349whp I will say it is a EASY 400whp as it stands.Drive in your car and accelerate from 30-130 and watch how the tach and speedo move on your own car,and count the time and tell me if it is anywhere CLOSE to that video.I have driven many different turbo setups and I can tell you that this car is the real deal.
Unless you have owned or driven any 400whp cars,then I find it difficult to understand your opinion on why it would be "350whp" vs. "400whp".
For the lazy here is the link for the 377 & 381whp runs.It is at the end of teh vid,28psi boost.GT2871R's do not like high boost and that is all she had...the VR6 I built & tuned and ran [email protected] with the base 400whp,got 63 more whp at same boost level 21psi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84H2Z9VpyHM
I do this for a living so am making educated guesses when it comes to my claims.

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

This is a turbo ATP spec'd for me to drop into the GT2871R's place with minimal hassle,and it was literally a drop in turbo.
Plan on dynoing soon and see where it stands,but am very confident it will have a 400+whp sheet.Stock rods are staying in until this summer.The engine has 71k miles on it and I beat the crap out if it,shifting @ 7500rpm,hasn't missed a beat!

[A4ringedONE8T]

REVO BT software has a rev limiter at 7200 so I dont see how your shifting at 7500? Since your FWD, your also not AMU so theres no way your getting anywhere near 400whp without a rod hanging out the side of the block. Ive got a very similar setup, same software, turbo is T3 flanged rather with an external wastegate and I only did 264whp on 18psi. 22-23psi you would be lucky to be at 320whp on pump gas!!

[sean1.8t]

that's what im sayin^

not trying to bring you down. just that from comparing my AWD BT car to your car, the acceleration isn't too far behing..

but you say it was drop in. does that mean this is the t25 flanged gt3071rWG?

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

My first reply was kind of harsh so I will say that judgment of performance is open to speculation and therefore subjective in its origin, as well as judgements for or against claimed performance.So you may have your opinion and that is fine, however have a open mind and look at what is in front of you.
Nothing is rigged,there are no paid performers here,just a car and a video camera.

[sean1.8t]

i have no idea what you are talking about

[A4ringedONE8T]

My first reply was kind of harsh so I will say that judgment of performance is open to speculation and therefore subjective in its origin, as well as judgements for or against claimed performance.So you may have your opinion and that is fine, however have a open mind and look at what is in front of you.
Nothing is rigged,there are no paid performers here,just a car and a video camera.

Were looking at exactly whats in front of us, the components on the car ... and with those, your supposed power levels are not possible!

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

What are you talking about?400+whp is VERY possible on a GT3071R.....just like 381whp is possible on a GT2871R.Watch the video,no smoke and mirrors it is right there in front of you.
I stand corrected teh rev limint is 7200rpm,but my tach only goes to 7k and I was burying it so I assumed 7500 rpm,but it is 7200.
Just because you had mediocre results with your setup does not mean every one else does!
This TT has a solid build and is running 103 octane and timing is advanced via Lemmiwinks and there is also a ABD short runner manifold on here so it is "not like your setup" at all.
This car is a 5 speed as well so it has taller gears than a 6 speed,and pulls through them pretty well.
Please post a similar video of your stage 3 Audi and lets see how long it takes to get from 30 mph roll to 130mph jusrt like my vid.I even started in 2nd gear out of boost,and it still only took 12-13 sec.
I would take it to the strip but our only track closed here 2 years ago,so all I have is dyno and in car video to compare.
Have already posted a 376 and 381whp dyno vid,AND a in car vid,so instead of just talking why don't either of you show us what you got "to compare".

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

BTW a GT3071R is not a low boost turbo,these things don't wake up until 20+psi....you must be scared to turn up the boost or something,if you wanted a car with such low power you should have used a GT28RS.I have personally built 7 BT 1.8T cars and ALL dynoed 300+whp,the lowest being 317whp @21 psi(limit of stock fuel pump)others dynoed 350-360's whp with GT2871R,so you are either scared to turn up the boost or happy with mediocre HP.

[A4ringedONE8T]

BTW a GT3071R is not a low boost turbo,these things don't wake up until 20+psi....you must be scared to turn up the boost or something,if you wanted a car with such low power you should have used a GT28RS.I have personally built 7 BT 1.8T cars and ALL dynoed 300+whp,the lowest being 317whp @21 psi(limit of stock fuel pump)others dynoed 350-360's whp with GT2871R,so you are either scared to turn up the boost or happy with mediocre HP.

lol wow

I did 264whp on 18psi, low timing, and pump gas. I run 27psi daily now on 93 + straight meth ... I know how to turn up the boost I also own my own shop, www.1552v2.com and have quite a few high HP cars in house including our tech's 700awhp R32! Ive had a K04, 28RS, and now the 3071R setup (full turbo not the -WG), Ive yet to dyno yet with the built bottom and higher boost. Im 100% positive your not making 400whp on a stock bottom end (non-AMU), it just doesnt happen without snapping a rod ... as I said I give you 320-330whp, maybe 340-350 if your running 100+ octane pushing the motor limits. I also have a 5 speed FWIW

And since I guess you cant search (or click on the links in my sig), heres my car

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

I think it is funny how you can be "100% over the internet that I am not making 400whp".....lol
Since you know SO much about cars that you can determine HP by eye then I would like to inform you that I have a ATC engine with the early 16V PL rods in the block.These are the stronger rods like the AEB has,and people have made 500+whp on these rods with no problems.
If your car is so nuts then post a dyno sheet or as I asked before,a in car video of its acceleration 30-130 and lets compare!
Will post a dyno sheet as soon as I have time to get it done.

[sean1.8t]

why are you getting so worked up?

you claim to have all this knowledge of the 1.8t and such. why would you bring up AEB rods being the strongest? when they(other than the wrist pins) are just like any other 1.8t rod. SHITTY!

but all we did was give you our opinion. that is all.

if you're going to cry about it, then just go dyno. and see what happens. then it will mean nothing because it's pointless to compare dyno numbers between different style dyno's that are all calibrated differently.. what will really tell you the power you are making, is a trap speed.. but i guess you can't do that since your track closed down. so just give it up. and be happy that you have a fast, good looking, car. you don't have to get all worked up over something someone says on the internet

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

What I find humorous is the fact that you are posting in the TT forum and critiqueing my TT when you are a A4 owner and trying to compare your car to mine ????
I am not getting worked up,I am simply asking you for a dyno sheet or some kind of in car video to compare how your car measures up to mine since they have the "same setup" in your words.
How many engines have you ever built/worked on? The AEB rods ar significantly more robust than the AWP style rods,they have tanged rod bearings,bigger wristpin and have more "meat" on them all around.
I will ask this once again ,post up a dyno or a video and lets compare,since you are so certain this TT is so "slow".

[A4ringedONE8T]

What I find humorous is the fact that you are posting in the TT forum and critiqueing my TT when you are a A4 owner and trying to compare your car to mine ????
I am not getting worked up,I am simply asking you for a dyno sheet or some kind of in car video to compare how your car measures up to mine since they have the "same setup" in your words.
How many engines have you ever built/worked on?The AEB rods ar significantly more robust than the AWP style rods,they have tanged rod bearings,bigger wristpin and have more "meat" on them all around.
I will ask this once again ,post up a dyno or a video and lets compare,since you are so certain this TT is so "slow".

Comparing cars, a 170/180hp 1.8T is a 1.8T, only difference is our fueling setup. You said nothing other than "stock" internals in your motor which include a 19mm pin rod, none of the other none sense your talking about trying to justify the power abilities. A 180hp (stock) 1.8T will make at max 350whp before the rods let go. I have posted 2 or 3 video's, Ive already posted pics after you could have just clicked on a link in my sig, the video's are in one of those links as well. If you can web search as well as you can build turbo setups so you say, you should be able to find them!

I have a set of AMU 20mm pin rods as well as my OEM AMB rods at the shop, I will take a pic of them tomorrow. They are indentical other than the pin size, they dont have extra "meat" ...

Built motors, this month, I dont remember I think we are on 3, worked on, 8 or so at least. Should I comment on more than a 30 day period or does that explain enough?

And no we dont have the "same setup," mine should make more as I have a built motor and a larger turbo

[F16HTON]

FWIW the exact confuguartion that Thomas is speaking of puts down 400/400 for EuroCode all of the time.

Thomas is aslo pretty well respected as far as DIY'r in the VW community, he was probably the first person in Hawaii to make great power in a watercooled VW.

Thomas was running SEM (SDS) long before most others were including 034EFI

[A4ringedONE8T]

FWIW the exact confuguartion that Thomas is speaking of puts down 400/400 for EuroCode all of the time.

Thomas is aslo pretty well respected as far as DIY'r in the VW community, he was probably the first person in Hawaii to make great power in a watercooled VW.

Thomas was running SEM (SDS) long before most others were including 034EFI

Ecode also isnt doing that on a stock bottom end, thats all I was really calling him out on!

[blackedoutt]

I vote for a head to head. If both of you have the time and money to build and brag about who pushes more power then surely you could arrange to line it up somewhere, or fly to the same dyno, and settle it like dignified sportsmen.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I vote for a head to head. If both of you have the time and money to build and brag about who pushes more power then surely you could arrange to line it up somewhere, or fly to the same dyno, and settle it like dignified sportsmen.

Its a difficult drive from Hawaii to the states, or vice versa

[blackedoutt]

I don't know about that, I heard they are building a bridge soon.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I don't know about that, I heard they are building a bridge soon.

Better hope you dont break down on that bridge!

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

I do not know you,but thanks Greg,I appreciate the kind words!The early TT motor is the ATC motor which will have the 16V rods ,with 20mm wristpin......however I have never taken them out to change them!This TT has 25k miles on stage 3 and has not missed a beat..I will dyno soon and see what she does!

[bwell01]

i too have a "stock" 1.8t that has dynoed a good bit over 350fwhp with the 2871r. i was there when the car in question hit 381 fwhp at said boost so i dont see why it shouldnt hit 400 running the same boost with a larger setup. i dont think the wg will be a limiter to the run however rods could be if they are the 19mm pinned type. could be but might not be so we will just have to see. im not saying it wont hurt anything internally but it is quite capable of making the power with the parts installed.

lets tone down the testorone and join sides. the enemy is not here, the enemy is "jdm or dsm" lol so lets get back to tuning by helping eachother and not be so eager to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

if he blows it, he has another 1.8t sitting on the floor collecting dust lol.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I do not know you,but thanks Greg,I appreciate the kind words!The early TT motor is the ATC motor which will have the 16V rods ,with 20mm wristpin......however I have never taken them out to change them!This TT has 25k miles on stage 3 and has not missed a beat..I will dyno soon and see what she does!

Curious to see your numbers, wish I had the time to get to the dyno!

[George@Revo]

Awesome Thomas. Thanks for the props! You need a bigger Revo decal on that car though...

[romell]

im glad we are becoming friends now.

[bwell01]

Awesome Thomas. Thanks for the props! You need a bigger Revo decal on that car though...

trust me george... he reps Revo HARD to say the least. he's our revo source for the island, all of hawaii iirc, and he has done great things in our local tuning community to include my car.

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

I am a *IDIOT* sorry you guys,you were RIGHT!My video did not show the car running at 400whp,not even close!I ran it on the dyno and it was making 353 on that vid!! DOH!
Here is the dyno with the boost at 30-32 psi!Pump 92 gas & octane booster

[Thomas@TAI-VW]

I apologise if I was being defensive,I have a lot of pride and sometimes it takes away from cognitive thought.Either way,am stoked car runs good and hasn't blown a hole thrue the block! TTFWD 180!

[McKennaS4]

just curious why anyone would want a setup that doesnt make good power until after 5K... ok thats all dont want to get involved... i just like midrange power/trq.

[sean1.8t]

octane booster, REALLY? at 32psi? really.

btw, bobq found the max boost effeciency for the GT3076r to be at ~32psi for the 1.8t motor. so i would think that 32psi out of the GT3071rWG would be a little much. but, what do i know.

btw, get some cams

[sean1.8t]

just curious why anyone would want a setup that doesnt make good power until after 5K... ok thats all dont want to get involved... i just like midrange power/trq.

asinine post, but i'll play along.

both high reving power/trq and mid range power/trq have their pro's and cons.

i like midrange too. but only sometimes... but i really like to rev up a little bit for power. better for gas mileage, and daily driving. imo of coarse.


but just go drive a setup like this any you'll see.