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    Got some stuff done and bolted up to the engine yesterday. Just got my sprung clutch disc in yesterday too, then realized I didn't have new pilot and release bearings lol. Hopefully audi gets them in later this week so I can drop the engine back on the tranny this weekend. Still need to replace the timing belt too (damaged during shipping).






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    OMFG! Beautiful!!

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    engine porn indeed, very nice

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    I just busted a nut!!!

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    nice
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    look so fresh. nice man!
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    Nice MANI. What kind?
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    APR Stage 3, iconel, t25 manifold.

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    Beautiful, Very Nice!!
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    That engine is spotless!

    What size studs did you use to mount the turbo to the manifold? 10mm?
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    *fap fap fap*
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    The studs were already in the mani when you sold it to me. I just used those again. Even thermal coated over them when that process was done. Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm really stoked to have this thing back in my garage for a change I'm really glad I labeled most of the hardware. Saved me a lot of time looking around for that certain nut/bolt.

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    looks awesome man... wooooo
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    Quote Originally Posted by CO AVANT View Post
    The studs were already in the mani when you sold it to me. I just used those again. Even thermal coated over them when that process was done. Thanks for the kind words guys, I'm really stoked to have this thing back in my garage for a change I'm really glad I labeled most of the hardware. Saved me a lot of time looking around for that certain nut/bolt.
    Hmm. I can't remember what size those were.

    I'm going to drill out my manifold and tap it for 10mm studs. I think I'll also have to drill out the holes in my 2871R (think they are dilled for 8mm) so the studs will fit. I'm not happy with how the 8mm studs keep loosening up and shearing off with the 28RS. The turbo is fine but the manifold keeps taking a beating. The 10mm should not move or loosen up. Even without those locking tabs (Probably not gonna use them).

    I think the treadstone-style manifold just places the turbo and that T25 flange in such an overhung location. With the exhaust system and the overhung turbo there's a huge moment arm on that T25 flange. Unfortunately there is no room to make a brace since the engine mount and wastegate actuator are in the way. Well, I say that because I'd rather have a brace in compression (going down to the block) than in tension (coming off the valve cover).
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    yes I think they are 10mm studs. Not taking it off again to check though. I'm also using the nord lock washers. Even got mini nord lock washers on the mani to block connection. I think the apr mani has a better structural design for the way it supports the turbo. I can see how the Treadstone mani could have problems...

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    You can tell just by looking at 'em. The studs in the head are 8mm and are noticeably smaller. Or, do you recall having to use two different sockets/wrenches to put the manifold onto the head and to put the turbo onto the manifold? IE: larger tool for the turbo/manifold connection..
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    It's about time that pretty piece arrived at your place.

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    Holy Clean! Looks sick!

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    hmmm yea my ko3 is bigger than that... psshhhh =)

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    Dougy I put 10mm studs on my set-up as well.
    Some fast things and some slow things

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    That manifold is a piece of art.
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    Sweet!
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    verrrry nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Obvious View Post
    That manifold is a piece of art.
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    'bout time!!!!!!!

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    Was the flywheel and clutch not balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly?

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    Uh oh!
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    Yup!

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    I sent Bob my clutch and flywheel with the engine. I do not think he balanced both with the crank. He did get the crank balanced again. I would think the clutch and fly should be balanced properly when new? I know you do not need to balance a snowmobile clutch with the crank...what's different with the audi setup?

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    It's just to put everything in harmony.
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    So it's just to make sure the crank and flywheel are rotating correctly no? I do not understand why both wouldn't be if the fly was produced with a .001" tolerance and the crank was balanced by a pro shop before installing into the block?

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    It just makes it perfectly balanced together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CO AVANT View Post
    So it's just to make sure the crank and flywheel are rotating correctly no? I do not understand why both wouldn't be if the fly was produced with a .001" tolerance and the crank was balanced by a pro shop before installing into the block?
    When balancing the rotating assembly it is best to put the flywheel, clutch and harmonic balancer onto the the crankshaft, torque them to spec and spin the assembly to make sure thay are in perfect balance, then you weigh the rods and pistons too, making sure they are all balanced together.

    Each of these measurements should be documented on your build sheet. Just think about what happens when you mount a tire onto a wheel and do not balance it, your car vibrates like crazy, your motor will do the same thing.

    The only reason I asked it that it looks as if Bob returned your engine without the flywheel installed.

    Good engine builders also would never give you back a motor without a new pilot shaft bearing that was properly lubricated.

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    you are correct, my flywheel was not installed upon the return of my engine. I'm going to email him and ask for a build sheet. I'll send it to you so you can take a look at it. If audi/vw engines are internally balanced I don't see why the clutch/fly would matter. You can get both those pieces "nuetrally" balanced but that's about it. That's why I think it was okay to just throw it on with how close aftermarket tolerances are now a days...

    and yes there was a new pilot bearing installed now that I actually looked at it. I just assumed that it wouldn't have been for some reason. Guess that'll save me some $$$ at the parts dept this week. Thanks for the heads up Greg.
    Last edited by CO AVANT; 04-29-2008 at 08:59 PM.

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    damn man. looks awesome

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    with an internally balenced engine the crank pulley and flywheel need to be zero balenced...

    and my apr mani was about a 10mm but have some funky thread on it, really fine and not every close to standard metric iirc...

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    wow, more pics!

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    Please read this thread on engine balancing (Internal vs. External)
    http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-balancing.shtml

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    Haha thats too funny, thats a ripped off version of what my teacher had us read for my engines class... Heres that document...

    Engine Balancing
    by Larry Carley c2003

    Engine Balance goes hand-in-hand with performance engine building. Engine Balancing reduces internal loads and vibrations that stress metal and may eventually lead to component failure. But is it worth the time and effort for mild performance applications, everyday passenger car engines or low-buck rebuilds?
    From a technical point of view, every engine regardless of the application or its selling price can benefit from balancing. A smoother-running engine is also a more powerful engine. Less energy is wasted by the crank as it thrashes about in its bearings, which translates into a little more usable power at the flywheel. Reducing engine vibration also reduces stress on motor mounts and external accessories, and in big over-the-road trucks, the noise and vibration the driver has to endure mile after mile.
    Though all engines are balanced from the factory (some to a better degree than others), the original balance is lost when the pistons, connecting rods or crankshaft are replaced or interchanged with those from other engines. The factory balance job is based on the reciprocating weight of the OE pistons and rods. If any replacements or substitutions are made, there is no guarantee the new or reconditioned parts will match the weights of the original parts closely enough to retain the original balance. Most aftermarket replacement parts are "balanced" to the average weight of the OEM parts, which may or may not be close enough to maintain a reasonable degree of balance inside the engine. Aftermarket crank kits are even worse and can vary considerably because of variations within engine families.
    If the cylinders are worn and a block needs to be bored to oversize, the larger replacement pistons may be heavier than the original ones. Some piston manufacturers take such differences into account when engineering replacement pistons and try to match "average" OE weights. But others do not. Most high performance pistons are designed to be lighter than the OE pistons to reduce reciprocating weight for faster acceleration and higher rpm. Consequently, when pistons and rods are replaced there is no way of knowing if balance is still within acceptable limits unless you check it.
    If you are building a stock engine for a passenger car or light truck that will spend most of its life loafing along at low rpm, your customer might question the value of balancing such an engine. But if a customer values durability and smooth operation, selling them a balance job shouldn't be too difficult, and it will add some extra profit, too.
    On the other hand, if you are building a performance motor, a stroker motor or an engine that is expected to turn a lot of rpms or run a lot of miles, balancing is an absolute must. No engine is going to survive long at high rpms if it is out of balance. And no engine is going to last in a high mileage application if the crank is bending and flexing because of static or dynamic imbalances.
    Theory of Engine Balance
    To better understand the mechanics of balancing, lets look at the theory behind it. As everybody knows, a rotating object generates "centripetal force." Centripetal force is an actual force or load generated perpendicular to the direction of rotation. Tie a rope to a brick and twirl it around and you will feel the pull of centripetal force generated by the "unbalanced" weight of the brick. The faster you spin it, the harder it pulls. In fact, the magnitude of the force increases exponentially with speed. Double the speed and you quadruple the force.
    The centripetal force created by a crankshaft balance problem will depend upon the amount of imbalance and distance from the axis of rotation (which is expressed in units of grams, ounces or ounce-inches). A crankshaft with only two ounce-inches of imbalance at 2,000 rpm will be subjected to a force of 14.2 lbs. At 4,000 rpm, the force grows to 56.8 lbs.! Double the speed again to 8,000 rpm and the force becomes 227.2 lbs.
    This may not sound like much when you consider the torque loads placed upon the crankshaft by the forces of combustion. But centripetal imbalance is not torque twisting the crank. It is a sideways deflection force that tries to bend the crank with every revolution. Depending on the magnitude of the force, the back and forth flexing can eventually pound out the main bearings or induce stress cracks that can cause the crank to snap.
    Centripetal force should not be confused with "centrifugal" force, which is the tendency of an object to continue in a straight trajectory when released while rotating. Let go of the rope while you are twirling the brick and the brick will fly off in a straight line (we do not recommend trying this because its difficult to control the trajectory of the brick).
    Back to centripetal force. As long as the amount of centripetal force is offset by an equal force in the opposite direction, an object will rotate with no vibration. Tie a brick on each end of a yardstick and you can twirl it like a baton because the weight of one brick balances the other. If we are talking about a flywheel, the flywheel will spin without wobbling as long as the weight is evenly distributed about the circumference. A heavy spot at any one point, however, will create a vibration because there is no offsetting weight to balance out the centripetal force.
    This brings us to another law of physics. Every object wants to rotate about its own center of gravity. Toss a chunk of irregular shaped metal into the air while giving it a spin and it will automatically rotate about its exact center of gravity. If the chunk of metal happens to be a flywheel, the center of gravity should be the the flywheels axis. As long as the center of gravity for the flywheel and the center of rotation on the crankshaft coincide, the flywheel will spin without vibrating.
    But if there is a heavy spot on the flywheel, or if the flywheel is not mounted dead center on the crank, the center of gravity and axis of rotation will be misaligned and the resulting imbalance will create a vibration.
    Crankshaft Balance
    Okay, so how does all this scientific mumbo jumbo translate into the real world dynamics of a spinning crankshaft? A crankshaft, like a flywheel, is a heavy rotating object. Whets more, it also has a bunch of piston and rod assemblies reciprocating back and forth along its axis that greatly complicate the problem of keeping everything in balance.
    With inline four and six cylinder engines, and flat horizontally opposed fours and sixes (like Porsche and Subaru), all pistons move back and forth in the same plane and are typically phased 180 degrees apart so crankshaft counterweights are not needed to balance the reciprocating components. Balance can be achieved by carefully weighing all the pistons, rods, wrist pins, rings and bearings, then equalizing them to the lightest weight.
    On V6, V8, V10 and V12 engines, it is a different story because the pistons are moving in different planes. This requires crankshaft counterweights to offset the reciprocating weight of the pistons, rings, wrist pins and upper half of the connecting rods.
    With "internally balanced" engines, the counterweights themselves handle the job of offsetting the reciprocating mass of the pistons and rods. "Externally balanced" engines, on the other hand, have additional counterweights on the flywheel and/or harmonic damper to assist the crankshaft in maintaining balance. Some engines have to be externally balanced because there is not enough clearance inside the crankcase to handle counterweights of sufficient size to balance the engine. This is true of engines with longer strokes and/or large displacements.
    When rebuilding an engine that is internally balanced, the flywheel and damper have no effect on engine balance and can be balanced separately. But with externally balanced engines, the flywheel and damper must be mounted on the crank prior to balancing.
    Customers should be told what type of engine balance they have (internal or external), and warned about indexing the position of the flywheel if they have to remove it later for resurfacing. Owners of externally balanced engines should also be warned about installing different flywheels or harmonic dampers and how it can upset engine balance.
    Balance Shafts
    In recent years, the auto makers have added balance shafts to many four and six cylinder engines to help cancel out crankshaft harmonics. The counter-rotating balance shaft helps offset vibrations in the crank created by the firing sequence of the engine.
    On these motors, make sure the engine balance shaft is correctly "phased" or timed to the rotation of the crank. If the shaft is out of sync, it will amplify rather than diminish engine vibrations.
    Balance shafts are not a substitute for normal engine balancing, nor do they reduce the vibration and stress the crankshaft itself experiences as it turns.
    The Process of Engine Balancing
    The process of balancing begins by equalizing the reciprocating mass in each of the engines cylinders. This is done by weighing each piston on a sensitive digital scale to determine the lightest one in a set. The other pistons are then lightened to match that weight by milling or grinding metal off a non-stressed area such as the wrist pin boss. The degree of precision to which the pistons are balanced will vary from one engine builder to another, and depends to some extent on the application. But generally speaking pistons are balanced to within plus or minus 0.5 grams of one another.
    Next the rods are weighed, but only one end at a time. A special support is used so that the big ends of all the rods can be weighed and compared, then the little ends. As with the pistons, weights are equalized by grinding away metal to within 0.5 grams. It is important to note that the direction of grinding is important. Rods should always be ground in a direction perpendicular to the crankshaft and wrist pin, never parallel. If the grinding scratches are parallel to the crank, they may concentrate stress causing hairline cracks to form.
    On V6 and V8 engines, the 60 or 90 degree angle between the cylinder banks requires the use of "bobweights" on the rod journals to simulate the reciprocating mass of the piston and rod assemblies. Inline four and six cylinder crankshafts do not require bobweights. To determine the correct weight for the bobweights, the full weight of a pair of rod bearings and the big end of the connecting rod, plus half the weight of the little end of the rod, piston, rings, wrist pin (and locks if full floating) plus a little oil are added together (100 percent of the rotating weight plus 50 percent of the reciprocating weight). The correct bobweights are then assembled and mounted on the crankshaft rod journals.
    The crankshaft is then placed on the engine balancer and spun to determine the points where metal needs to be added or removed. The balancer indexes the crank and shows the exact position and weight to be added or subtracted. The electronic brain inside the balancer head does the calculations and displays the results. The latest machines have graphical displays that make it easy to see exactly where the corrections are needed.
    If the crankshaft is heavy, metal is removed by drilling or grinding the counterweights. Drilling is usually the preferred means of lightening counterweights, and a balancer that allows the crank to be drilled while still on the machine can be a real time saver.
    If the crankshaft is too light, which is usually the case on engines with stroker cranks or those that are being converted from externally balanced to internally balanced, heavy metal (a tungsten alloy that is 1.5 times as heavy as lead) is added to the counterweights. This is usually done by drilling the counterweights, and then press fitting and welding the heavy metal plugs in place. An alternate technique is to tap the hole and thread a plug into place. Drilling the holes sideways through the counterweights parallel to the crank rather than perpendicular to the crankshaft is a technique many prefer because it prevents the metal from being flung out at high rpm.
    After drilling, the crankshaft is again spun on the balancer to determine if additional corrections are required. If the crankshaft is for an externally balanced engine (such as a big block Chevy), the balancing will be done with the flywheel and damper installed. On internally balanced engines, the flywheel and damper can be balanced separately, or installed on the crank and balanced as an assembly once the crank itself has been balanced.
    New machinery has been introduced that both simplifies the balancing process and increases the accuracy of the job. Electronic equipment that allows accurate measurement of not only the amount of unbalance force, but also accurately reports the unbalanced vector position is now available to engine rebuilders. Typically, engine balancing machines have assumed that the unbalance force was equally opposed, so they would require the technician to correct the excessive amounts of unbalance on the excess side to the point of making them equal. Technicians have had to stair-step the corrections equally until the final tolerance was attained.
    Technology such as that in the Multi-Bal 3000 HMV eliminates this requirement, according to Randy Neal of Cast Welding Technologies. Software and hardware are combined to allow radical differences to be reported at each end of the crankshaft (including any rotational positioning or vector position of the unbalanced force). Because the position and unbalance amounts are reported correctly the technician can make changes to the crankshaft with confidence that he will not over shoot the correction. In most cases the required cycles of analysis and correction are reduced by 80 to 90 percent, according to Neal.
    The unbalance amount and position are imported into a special computer program called "Heavy Metal Analysis" (HMA). This program allows the technician to plot the position and amount of material that will be required to correct the crankshaft. The program lets rebuilders create multiple scenarios based on rotation and radius position, weight amounts and sizes of Mallory, all of which can be simulated without having to cut the first chip.
    How Long To Balance Engine?
    How long does it take to actually balance an engine? A typical Chevy small block V8 might take anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour-and-a-half depending on how much work is needed and the degree of accuracy you are trying to achieve. You are obviously going to spend more time on a motor that is going into a NASCAR Winston Cup racer than one that is going into Grandmas grocery getter.
    Though a balancing accuracy of plus or minus one gram is typically good enough for most production street engines, many balancers today can achieve balancing accuracies in the tenths or even hundredths of a gram!
    The most time-consuming part of the job is weighing and matching the pistons and rods. A four cylinder engine takes half as much time for this step as a V8. The next most time consuming part is making up the bobweights for a V6 or V8. This step is not needed with a straight six or four. The actual setup on the machine takes only a few minutes, and the initial spin and readings take only a couple of minutes more. The time required to perform the necessary weight corrections will depend on the crank (weight removal goes much faster than adding weight). And if you have done your work carefully, the final spin will require no further corrections because the balance will be right on the mark.
    Most shops charge $150 to $225 to balance a V8. If heavy metal is required, add $40 to $75 per slug. Some shops charge less to balance engines, but these tend to be shops that are trying to compete in the budget rebuild market, not the performance market.
    The most profitable applications for balancing include small high revving engines such as those in motorcycles, boats and go-carts. Some shops get $100 or more to balance a single cylinder Briggs & Stratton engine, which requires a lot less time and effort than a V8.
    Other profitable applications include balancing turbocharger impellers and blower rotors, flywheels/ driveshafts and even brake rotors and drums. Such jobs can be billed by the piece or by the hour.
    Like any other piece of shop equipment, you can spend as much or as little as you can afford on a balancer. The higher end units will have more bells and whistles, and generally be equipped with a drill stand as part of the work station. The less expensive units will have fewer features and be "portable" so they can be mounted on an existing bench or mill platform.
    An entry level balancer will require an initial investment of around $11,000 to $15,000, which may or may not include bobweights and stand. The electronics will be fairly basic and probably have a numeric display rather than a graphic display. If you want to add a drill, add another $4,000 to $5,000 to the cost of the basic unit.
    For $17,000 to $28,000 you can step up to a fully equipped balancer that includes a color graphic display, upgraded computer electronics and a drill stand. The computer software on some of the high end units is Windows 98 based and gives you the ability to store and recall specifications and other technical information about specific crankshafts.
    Though most balancers can handle a wide range of crankshaft sizes, some manufacturers have equipment that is designed for small engine applications or large diesel cranks. At the recent Performance Racing Industry Show in Indianapolis, IN, Hines introduced a new mini-balancer called the "Eliminator 10" which is specifically designed for small parts under 10 lbs. The balancer, which sells for $13,999, can balance turbo impellers and blower rotors to within 0.0001 ounce/inches accuracy.
    How fast can a balancer pay for itself? The payback obviously depends on the volume of work you do and how much you charge. If you finance a $15,000 balancer over 5 years and the monthly payments are around $300, one-and-a-half jobs a month at $200 each would cover your payments.

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