Bench racing = S4 Vs. 2005 Subaru STI ?

[Flicktitty]

Just having a talk with my brother about his 05 STI that is stock and me looking at getting a S4 and he said i should buy a STI cause for my age the STI fits more (he is 30 and a police officer and i'm 21) And he said that there is no way a S4 would beat him, i'm just wondering what kind of mod would need to be on the S4 to run down a 05 STI?

I know a Stage 3 S4 would make that Sube look like an aveo but just wondering about bolt on/Stg 2 S4's

[Mattgfx]

Just having a talk with my brother about his 05 STI that is stock and me looking at getting a S4 and he said i should buy a STI cause for my age the STI fits more (he is 30 and a police officer and i'm 21) And he said that there is no way a S4 would beat him, i'm just wondering what kind of mod would need to be on the S4 to run down a 05 STI?

I know a Stage 3 S4 would make that Sube look like an aveo but just wondering about bolt on/Stg 2 S4's

for an S4 to beat a stock sti , just chip it and you will probably have him.

if you are stage 2+(turboback exhaust and chip) no question asked.

[Groove]

agreed, I'm stg 2+ and I can beat any stock evo/sti

[mrpeterparker]

meh.. don't succumb to the stereotypes of age and cars... own what you like .. or dare to be different...

[GOS4007]

I agree. If you like the S4 go for it. You'll probably have less issues with police too. Stage 2 or 2+ should have no problems with an STi. That's the other issue with a lot of the owners of those cars (STi and Evo's). They think they are the fastest cars on the road.

[BurnAll4S4]

my friend has a wrx with an sti 2.5 block, built and ported 2.0 heads, vf32? (some big one, forgot the numbers). with supporting mods and a tune, i easily pulled on him in my old basic setup stage 3 s4.

[crosenhahn]

Yeah, I beat EVO-MR's and STI with my Stage 1+...I'm 24 and love havin an S4, every other yahoo in their earlier 20's has an evo or sti, be different and have a little class!!!! Go With the Rings, you won't regret it...plus the quality of rides do not even compare!!!!

[Big Boost]

Tell him to come see me in his own backyard. I also have a buddy with a '03 STI that wants a piece of the S4. I'll be Stage 2+ in less than two weeks, so we'll see what happens.

[2fast4me]

stage 2+ pulls numerous cars on a stock sti, but put turbo back and tune an sti (300whp) and it will pull a bit on the s4. I had a 05 and it was a fun car, but the police attention, ricer attention, and terrible ride gets old, but is a lot cheaper to make very fast and basically problem free. As everyone has said go w/ what you like.

[S4tranquility]

Back when I had a stage 2 S4 I test drove an STI and was not impressed. It felt slow. The low-end torque just couldn't compete. I know that's not an apples to apples comparison, but I guess I expected more. It felt cheap, too.

[torment]

All I know is girls absolutely love the S4 and think the STI/EVO is for high school kids.

[GramCracker]

All I know is girls absolutely love the S4 and think the STI/EVO is for high school kids.

So true. (plus he was 17 when he got it, so it fits hahahaha) My best friend has a 400whp Evo. Yea its nasty, but my S4 just makes girls stare. I love it

[lsc2g]

i pulled like crazy on a brand new 07 STI.. i'm stage 2

[RogueStatus]

XJINCT- VF39 turbos are stock on STIs,so its not too big.

I bought my s4 when i was 19 and i've owned an STI while having the s4 and its not the same. the s4 is obviously more sport luxury and the STI is raw power and handling out of the box. definitly not as comfortable,and you definitly have more attention from cops with the STI. I'm 22 now and still have the s4 while the STI is LONG GONE. I didnt like it at all.

[fastdreams]

For highway racing, it's about who spends more money.

The S4 is the more subtle/classy ride no doubt, and the 2.7t is dead sexy.

The STi and EVO are much better platforms for real driving, especially at the track, but the S4 is no slouch. Heavy and poorly weight balanced, still fun enough to go to a couple track days a year (with mods). If you are a track junky I would hit up the Japanese, unless you are $$$ in which case hit up Porsche. In between I'd hit up Lotus for a real effective track weapon.

[S4-ORCE]

Anything over 300WHP you will pull on them easily

[Korben007]

I raced my friends 04 Sti just a few night ago. Did a 3-4th gear pull. I am stage 2+. He had a chip, turbo back exhaust, and boost controller. It was dead even till up top then i started to pull on him slightly. I have a quite retrictive exhaust to. A stock Sti would have no chance, even if you had just a chipped S4

[audiwop]

I have done many pulls against my buddies Protuned Cobb stage 2 STi. Back when I was stage 2+ we were dead even virtually the whole time. Now that i am 3- we did a pull the other night and I put 2-2.5 lenghts on him by the time 4th gear was over with. So yes, a good stage 2 car should easly beat up a stock STi.

[ms4cd]

for an S4 to beat a stock sti , just chip it and you will probably have him.

if you are stage 2+(turboback exhaust and chip) no question asked.

Not on pump gas (at least not on CA 91), you can beat a stock STI on stage 1 and race gas.

Friends Stage 2 could not keep up with a stock STI.

[ThirdStrike]

i beat the snot out of a "stage 2 Sti" on race gas (his exhaust was spitting flames as he shifted) on the freeway from ~80-135 ... i was apr stage 2 with stock dp's,3 inch exhaust

[stamps]

before I start ^^ how would you know he was spitting flames if you beat the snot out of this "stage 2 sti" and coming from the subaru world there are so many options to work with there really are no "stages", not doubting your story just got a little lost /rant

now I may not wake up tomorrow due to someone merking me out in my sleep after this post but after coming from my 05 sti to my new 00 s4 I don't think there is any comparison in performance, the sti wins in all aspects. both cars were modded almost the exact same, turbo back exhaust, engine management, short-shifter (sti: bushings also). only real difference other than ascetic appeal was my addition of jdm "pink" springs to the sti, however even in stock form as stated above the sti blows the s4 out of the water. In the do-it-yourself department the sti can be almost completely disassembled with two wrenches, the engine is not shoe-horned under the hood, took roughly an hour to install the TBE on the sti, you don't even want to know how long i spent on the audi, granted there are two downpipes but to spend almost a day left me aggravated and hungry. There really are no maintenance issues like turbo's blowing with the sti, some might argue that once your turbos blow you can go "stage 3" and beyond and kill any sti, but for the same price you could have an sti with un godly amounts of power seeing as your purchasing one turbo as opposed to two and you (hopefully) can put it in yourself, if not labor cost are at a minimum because the engine does not have to be removed. the trany in the sti is bullet-proof, no play in the shifter after the addition of bushings, $30, 30 min job. Sti parts also seem to be a dime a dozen; my tbe cost me around $550 for name brand parts, but lucky the ssac tbe costs the same for both cars :)

as you can probly tell i miss my sti, but also as stated above, you attract many members of the "5-0" community without the removal of the wing, and especially with the addition of an exhaust as it has quite a distinct exhaust note, you will also find that every kid with a lawnmower (civic) will recognize the sti and most certainly let you know they have cut off their muffler and replaced it with a coffee can with a drive by.

the s4 ascetically has the advantage over the sti in the police department and very few people understand the potential of the s4 even in stock form. the ride is quite nice just remember about every 40k, your going to need new control arms. the stereo in the sti sounds like you took two cups attached them to opposite ends of a string and tossed one into the car next to you on the freeway, though it is a six disc in dash it still sucks. the interior of the sti is great... compared to the evo, but the s4 has all the comforts anyone really needs out of a car, leather, heated seats climate control. the xenons in the s4 have an advantage over the pre-06 sti. can't say the s4 wheels have anything on the stock bbs' because that would be blasphemy even here.

all in all you need to consider what you want, i bought my sti when i was 22, I am now 24 and I think the s4 fits me better as I am in need of "growing up" the audi has a sence of class that comes with it that you can't deny no matter your taste, as stated above girls love it. if your looking for an investment the s4 probly is not the place for your money, but if your looking for a beautiful car with tons of potential that comes at a cost you've come to the right place. if your looking for something fun and track worthy that you can mod for the cost of a lottery ticket might want to visit the local suby dealship. either way they are both safe awd cars that beg to be driven, good luck with your purchase.

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[AudiSportB5S4]

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[Mattgfx]

before I start ^^ how would you know he was spitting flames if you beat the snot out of this "stage 2 sti" and coming from the subaru world there are so many options to work with there really are no "stages", not doubting your story just got a little lost /rant

now I may not wake up tomorrow due to someone merking me out in my sleep after this post but after coming from my 05 sti to my new 00 s4 I don't think there is any comparison in performance, the sti wins in all aspects. both cars were modded almost the exact same, turbo back exhaust, engine management, short-shifter (sti: bushings also). only real difference other than ascetic appeal was my addition of jdm "pink" springs to the sti, however even in stock form as stated above the sti blows the s4 out of the water. In the do-it-yourself department the sti can be almost completely disassembled with two wrenches, the engine is not shoe-horned under the hood, took roughly an hour to install the TBE on the sti, you don't even want to know how long i spent on the audi, granted there are two downpipes but to spend almost a day left me aggravated and hungry. There really are no maintenance issues like turbo's blowing with the sti, some might argue that once your turbos blow you can go "stage 3" and beyond and kill any sti, but for the same price you could have an sti with un godly amounts of power seeing as your purchasing one turbo as opposed to two and you (hopefully) can put it in yourself, if not labor cost are at a minimum because the engine does not have to be removed. the trany in the sti is bullet-proof, no play in the shifter after the addition of bushings, $30, 30 min job. Sti parts also seem to be a dime a dozen; my tbe cost me around $550 for name brand parts, but lucky the ssac tbe costs the same for both cars :)

as you can probly tell i miss my sti, but also as stated above, you attract many members of the "5-0" community without the removal of the wing, and especially with the addition of an exhaust as it has quite a distinct exhaust note, you will also find that every kid with a lawnmower (civic) will recognize the sti and most certainly let you know they have cut off their muffler and replaced it with a coffee can with a drive by.

the s4 ascetically has the advantage over the sti in the police department and very few people understand the potential of the s4 even in stock form. the ride is quite nice just remember about every 40k, your going to need new control arms. the stereo in the sti sounds like you took two cups attached them to opposite ends of a string and tossed one into the car next to you on the freeway, though it is a six disc in dash it still sucks. the interior of the sti is great... compared to the evo, but the s4 has all the comforts anyone really needs out of a car, leather, heated seats climate control. the xenons in the s4 have an advantage over the pre-06 sti. can't say the s4 wheels have anything on the stock bbs' because that would be blasphemy even here.

all in all you need to consider what you want, i bought my sti when i was 22, I am now 24 and I think the s4 fits me better as I am in need of "growing up" the audi has a sence of class that comes with it that you can't deny no matter your taste, as stated above girls love it. if your looking for an investment the s4 probly is not the place for your money, but if your looking for a beautiful car with tons of potential that comes at a cost you've come to the right place. if your looking for something fun and track worthy that you can mod for the cost of a lottery ticket might want to visit the local suby dealship. either way they are both safe awd cars that beg to be driven, good luck with your purchase.

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very true!

[Boris]

before I start ^^ how would you know he was spitting flames if you beat the snot out of this "stage 2 sti" and coming from the subaru world there are so many options to work with there really are no "stages", not doubting your story just got a little lost /rant

now I may not wake up tomorrow due to someone merking me out in my sleep after this post but after coming from my 05 sti to my new 00 s4 I don't think there is any comparison in performance, the sti wins in all aspects. both cars were modded almost the exact sa\

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No no, man I don think you should be flamed at all.. everything you said was very very valid and true I think,..

I was at atco the other night and was checking out someones STI, and man, you are not kidding, that car looks sooooooo much easier to work on...
And I think that matters alot if you enjoy diy...

But you correctly identified the three big reasons I have a S4 over the STI

1. Cops do not notice me! almost at all

2. The s4 looks more classy, the STI looks like an rc car. ALthough IM pretty partial to white ones.

3. Interior is so much nicer on the s4..


Theres nothing to be flamed on man, you gave honest good opinions. and honestly for the same money there is no way you could get an s4 as fast as a suby.

but to the OP, sounds like you want an S4...get one! Just drive your brother's sti when you need a change

good luck!!

[McKennaS4]

well written as well, which is a rarity here. =)

[ThirdStrike]

before I start ^^ how would you know he was spitting flames if you beat the snot out of this "stage 2 sti" and coming from the subaru world there are so many options to work with there really are no "stages", not doubting your story just got a little lost /rant

i quoted stage 2 cause we (s4 people) use it for 'chipped-exhaust-dp's-intake' those were the mods he had.
i was at a evo/sti meet, we all drove together so i saw his car long before we all did some runs

[AntiStatic S4]

lol man i am high school boy and i hv 2001 s4 and i love my car..Soon geting a giac ecu with awe twin 2 :)

[lrg8683]

a stage 2+ car should be able to beat an sti with chip and turbo back.

[Sniper512]

My good friend has a 05 STI. I have a stage 2+ S4. His car has cobb tuning with a Rocketrally tune with 850cc injectors(getting ready for a turbo upgrade) and a ton of other supporting mods and we are pretty much dead even. From a roll or a luanch it doesn't matter we are within .1 on a G-tech he runs a 105mph and I run 106mph. This was done on the same stretch of road on the same day and weights were used from the same scale as well.

[GFRRS3]

I sold my Sti 2 yrs ago and wish I hadnt , Stock turbo putting 300whp and 320 wtq, throwing flames out of the exhaust, very few cars could play with it, probabley the best bang for the buck. I grew up too, traded it in for an A3, sold the A3 and now have a nice stock A4 avant. Love the car but miss the power.

[Alex@VAG]

S4 are great but keep in mind the 05 sti is newer and million time more reliable. It will also always outhandle the s4 and is cheaper to make faster.

Unless you want an s4 go with the sti, because they are cars that make you go trought stuff you would never accpet out of any car unless you love them. Most people on this board love them enough to forget the bad sides of the s4, so they will tell you to go with the s4. Wich is an awesome car, but if you're unsure go with the sti, it's a safe bet.

[Flicktitty]

Thanks for all the help guys! lots of good insight!

Well the thing is i have always been an S4 or Evo guy mainly for lack of Sube seat time. but i don't think i could honeslty buy a STI.

I really don't want to have to worry about where and what time i drive a STI/EVO and have to look and wait to see what cop is gonna turn around after me, or what kid in there moms suv is gonna try and rev on me. Cause i don't need to get into any trouble over something that dumb.

Either car will get maybe 1 or 2 Track days (Road America/Autobahn) and the somewhat regualr trip to the drag strip. but other then that its going to be a daily car. which is where i see/hear of the S4 being the better car.

Only real problem i can see with trying to get an S4 is a loan on an Older car (01-02) and the insurance on them. i know either way it would be cheaper to get the S4 over the 05ish STI. i just need to call and see about insurance as well on the S4.

[Reich]

S4 are great but keep in mind the 05 sti is newer and million time more reliable. It will also always outhandle the s4 and is cheaper to make faster.

Unless you want an s4 go with the sti, because they are cars that make you go trought stuff you would never accpet out of any car unless you love them. Most people on this board love them enough to forget the bad sides of the s4, so they will tell you to go with the s4. Wich is an awesome car, but if you're unsure go with the sti, it's a safe bet.

Alex. My brother had a suba wrx until he sold it last year. A LOT of problems. Believe me we changed his tranny 2 times which is 3 tranny. we changed center diff, rear diff and rebuild his engine 2 times. Those tranny are made with glass, all gear train are made with glass. He went in a lot of trouble with this car when he boost it with garret. He sold it last year and now rolling in bm 328 with now only ecm problems. Nothing's perfect.

[Alex@VAG]

Alex. My brother had a suba wrx until he sold it last year. A LOT of problems. Believe me we changed his tranny 2 times which is 3 tranny. we changed center diff, rear diff and rebuild his engine 2 times. Those tranny are made with glass, all gear train are made with glass. He went in a lot of trouble with this car when he boost it with garret. He sold it last year and now rolling in bm 328 with now only ecm problems. Nothing's perfect.

Yes 5 speed are awefull, but the sti with the 6 speed have no drivetrain issues. Every car will brake, mecanical pieces suffer from fatigue and will eventually fail but the s4 is a higher than average maintenance car, not to mention it is a bit more trouble to fix. Great cars but they do require attention and maintenance that not everyone is willing to do.

[OWENthatsmyname]

ha i had a wrx. the 5spds are horrible in them, but i beat the living crap out of my wrx and it never skipped a beat.

loads of launches at 5K+, stock clutch and still grabbed hard at 65K miles of abuse.

it wasnt stock either, (VF30 turbo, 565injectors, tune, full exhaust, larger TMIC etc...) and ran high 12s and suprised loads of people.

o and it was a wagon

i only did general maintenance and it ran flawlessly.

sti vs. s4. s4 hands down for luxuriousness and mechanical headaches. sti hands down for cheap raw power and reliability. and u can do burnouts if you wanna kill your diffs

[FrimmelNoJerz]

before I start ^^ how would you know he was spitting flames if you beat the snot out of this "stage 2 sti" and coming from the subaru world there are so many options to work with there really are no "stages", not doubting your story just got a little lost /rant

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you sir, are very smart.

[audiwop]

Thanks for all the help guys! lots of good insight!

Well the thing is i have always been an S4 or Evo guy mainly for lack of Sube seat time. but i don't think i could honeslty buy a STI.

I really don't want to have to worry about where and what time i drive a STI/EVO and have to look and wait to see what cop is gonna turn around after me, or what kid in there moms suv is gonna try and rev on me. Cause i don't need to get into any trouble over something that dumb.

Either car will get maybe 1 or 2 Track days (Road America/Autobahn) and the somewhat regualr trip to the drag strip. but other then that its going to be a daily car. which is where i see/hear of the S4 being the better car.

Only real problem i can see with trying to get an S4 is a loan on an Older car (01-02) and the insurance on them. i know either way it would be cheaper to get the S4 over the 05ish STI. i just need to call and see about insurance as well on the S4.

Don't worry to much about the cop issue. I had an STi for 8 months, never one ticket. Yet two months into my S4, a buddy and me were driving out to WillowSprings race track and a cop pulled me over and gave me a ticket. He went around my buddy in his STi, and pulled me over instead. Point is, when your cruising at 93mph in a 70mph, it doesn't matter what your in.

[stamps]

^^second that, I had mine for a little over a year, only two tickets one because i was an asshat and the other because an asshat pissed me off... karma. as for insurance my s4 insurance was only $30 more a year than the sti. and i thought you said your brother had an sti... get some more seat time because if you go to a dealer you'll be hard pressed to find someone that will let you test drive one. oh yeah, stay away from the wrx... go big or go home (sti)

[SilverS4Paul]

agreed, I'm stg 2+ and I can beat any stock evo/sti

Do you know what you run in the 1/4 mile?