In my opinion, the next B8 S4 engine should be....!

[Obi_agent]

Sorry guys, this ain't no article with facts but just my opinion and a poll on what people really want or expect in the next S4.

I am sure there must be alot of people who share my opinion and, want the next B8 S4 to be a twin turbocharged 'ONLY' V6 to herald the return of the beloved B5 S4 engine. But to no avail, reports emerging about the next S4 being a supercharged or a Turbo/Supercharged V6 is a disappointment.

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/04/24...-fuel-economy/

Sure, the engine will be a major step in fuel effiency with power(350hp/300+tq) but, why go into an unknown territory when your already good with turbocharging? [Search]


Anyway, I'm concerned about the engine because I really like the A4/S4 bodystyle and the superb interior of an Audi,.so I was planning to get one in 09/10. I just don't like the idea of a first super/turbocharged engine to be in the car. It adds up to alot of cost[opinion]. A plain turbo setup could have been just as useful and cheaper.

Finally, if the engine spec is true, for the S4, I think the only reason why Audi opted out of turbocharging is because of it's tuning potential.... which is just sad.

[aaaudiprotein]

They are not gonna make it Supercharged and put a T on it...
If you took that info from the other threads here, people were discussing the possibilities of T'ing that already S/C'ed engine :)))

[Tiesto]

There are tons of threads already talking about this, I think it's pretty obvious that the general consensus is most of us besides some of the V8 S4 guys want a TT V6.

They are not gonna make it Supercharged and put a T on it...
If you took that info from the other threads here, people were discussing the possibilities of T'ing that already S/C'ed engine :)))

All the articles suggest the possiblity of a SC with T setup.

[aaaudiprotein]

There are tons of threads already talking about this, I think it's pretty obvious that the general consensus is most of us besides some of the V8 S4 guys want a TT V6.



All the articles suggest the possiblity of a SC with T setup.

I dont see it :)

[B18b1ex]

I wanted the V8, it won't be we are getting a SC V6 no turbo. For the guy who asked why Audi would shy away from the turbo, it's simple they do not want a repeat of the 2.7t failures. Also by gaining 20% fuel economy they may attract more buyer with gas reaching $4/gal. People said they did not want the V8 S when it came out either, it will be the same, people will still buy it.

[Tiesto]

I dont see it :)

"Emerging reports suggest that the next Audi S4 will ditch the current model's V8 and open up the gap a little with the top-of-the-line RS4 with a new supercharged V6. Bearing the 3.0T or TFSI badge, the 2010 S4 could benefit from "twin-charging" with the possible inclusion of a turbo in addition to the supercharger.
...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mates_car_news

You even replied to that thread...

[VZWalex]

I swear !!! iF they dont make it a Twin Turbo S4 .. IM GONNAAAA ..... . prob cry ...

damn !

[Obi_agent]

I wanted the V8, it won't be we are getting a SC V6 no turbo. For the guy who asked why Audi would shy away from the turbo, it's simple they do not want a repeat of the 2.7t failures. Also by gaining 20% fuel economy they may attract more buyer with gas reaching $4/gal. People said they did not want the V8 S when it came out either, it will be the same, people will still buy it.

True, people are still going to buy a s4 because it's a S4. Anyway, I on the other hand, won't be one of them until or unless, its a TT V6. I say this because in my opinion, TTV6 would be the perfect setup for that car.

There's just something about a turbo car that makes it special. And there are sure going to be other options on the market to complete my turbo needs

And I would also like to add, Audi could have made a more reliable TT V6 , by learning from the mistakes they made in the B5 S4. If they are going Turbo'd everywhere else in their line up(TT,RS6,R8-RS,etc), why not another turbo setup in S4!!

I swear !!! iF they dont make it a Twin Turbo S4 .. IM GONNAAAA ..... . prob cry ...

damn !

+1....I share your pain bro

You even replied to that thread...

+1...thanks

[2001S4CT]

how about a NA V10

[AAAA]

how about a NA V10

then you'd need a road equivalent of the fuel planes that fill fighter jets in the air.....like every day. plus, that's dipping into s8 sales. you can't put the same engine in 2 different s models.

[Tiesto]

how about a NA V10

Good idea, answer the problem of gas consumption with a bigger engine.

[DeMOROlized]

They are not gonna make it Supercharged and put a T on it...
If you took that info from the other threads here, people were discussing the possibilities of T'ing that already S/C'ed engine :)))

Yes they are, you can bank on it.

[Obi_agent]

how about a NA V10

That would be really expensive....!

[Toast]

whatever they make it is going to be netter then the current s4's engine so who cares
no disrespect to the 4.2 but its dated now

[aaaudiprotein]

Yes they are, you can bank on it.

So what is the whole point going SC and then putting Turbo on it if they dont want the same problems they had with a b5 s4??? I dont get it :)))

[AAAA]

no turbo, just s/c

[Obi_agent]

^^^
There was a rumor of both kind of induction's being used.....so you can't rule out both a turbo and SC setup being used together:)

[s4nicetry]

then you'd need a road equivalent of the fuel planes that fill fighter jets in the air.....like every day. plus, that's dipping into s8 sales. you can't put the same engine in 2 different s models.

The S6 and S8 both use the V10.

[s4nicetry]

So what is the whole point going SC and then putting Turbo on it if they dont want the same problems they had with a b5 s4??? I dont get it :)))

The problem with the b5 s4 was the turbos location that made it such a costly issue. If the turbos were in an accessible location and one went, big deal replace it but on the b5 s4's the engine has to be removed to gain accessibily to swap the blown turbo(s) all of a sudden it's a ~$6000 dollar job to swap the turbos. Having them in an accessible location and making sure they're better quality then those crappy K03's and problem solved.

[Obi_agent]

^^^
I think the same type of problem is with BMW's 335i....Turbo's can't be swopped without pulling out the engine.

[Gigi]

VW already has a small engne with both Turbo and supercharger. They are fuel efficient, powerful with smaller displacement than competition, and quick in bottom and top range.
That being said, i would love another V6 TT myself...
I really want the B8, but if the S4 is not a TT, I'll just get a 2.0 B8 A4 and go stage 3 or whatever they'll call it....

[Obi_agent]

Hmm....A4 chipped...could be a good idea:)

[Iceman]

VW already has a small engne with both Turbo and supercharger. They are fuel efficient, powerful with smaller displacement than competition, and quick in bottom and top range.
That being said, i would love another V6 TT myself...
I really want the B8, but if the S4 is not a TT, I'll just get a 2.0 B8 A4 and go stage 3 or whatever they'll call it....

The Twincharger priceple is only for line engine's not for V engines.
The new S4 will only have a Supercharger between the V of the engine.
With tuning you can get a solit ± 400 hp out off it.

@ Gigi, Wimmer-rst have a 480 hp stage 5 for the new S3, and a 408 hp stage 4.

Hans.

btw, the new BMW V8 turbo have the turbo also between the V of the engine and the injection on the outside.

[A4 JooN 2.0T]

if it comes S/Ced i would most likely pull it out and try retro fitting a gt30 in that bitch.....please audi tt v6 please please please!!!!!!

[DELUX]

Supercharged V6 will put town beautiful power... mmmm :)

Best part about it... more worry free than a TT setup

[AAAA]

^^^
There was a rumor of both kind of induction's being used.....so you can't rule out both a turbo and SC setup being used together:)

yes i know that WAS a rumor, but the engine was announced at the vienna motor show like 6 days ago. it's s/c only for sure.

[Obi_agent]

yes i know that WAS a rumor, but the engine was announced at the vienna motor show like 6 days ago. it's s/c only for sure.

The sources to the "Vienna" unveil of the S4 are questionable. No pics, no nothing .....just quotes ...

[AAAA]

The sources to the "Vienna" unveil of the S4 are questionable. No pics, no nothing .....just quotes ...

from the audi dudes. why would they lie?

[quattro.it]

I guess I would prefer tt v6 for the tuning potential. A mixed sc/turbo setup seems unnecessarily complicated to me but what do I know. I'm just going to wait and see. My A4 lease is up in 7/09 so by then it'll hopefully either be a choice between A5/S5, S4, or possibly even a lightly used RS4. I'll probably lease again anyway so sc/turbo S4 wouldn't be a big deal from a reliability standpoint anyway. Although at this stage of the game for Audi they are proving to be very reliable, so probably a non-issue anyway. I just want lots of performance and economy, is that too much to ask?

[Gigi]

heck if gas prices keep going up, I might ride a bicycle to work ;)

[Obi_agent]

from the audi dudes. why would they lie?

NO pictures of the engine...no specific info! Anyway you have a link to that article your refering to ?

[AAAA]

NO pictures of the engine...no specific info! Anyway you have a link to that article your refering to ?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/25/m...percharged-s4/

"Volkswagen AG's powertrain head, Wolfgan Hatz, presented the automaker's new 3.0-liter TFSI engine at the Vienna Motor Symposium. According to Auto Motor und Sport, the new engine will be fitted with a blower and putting out around 350 hp when fitted to the next generation S4"

I'd say VW's powertrain head is credible enough without pictures

[Tiesto]

How is it a TFSI if it lacks a turbo?

[Obi_agent]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/25/m...percharged-s4/

"Volkswagen AG's powertrain head, Wolfgan Hatz, presented the automaker's new 3.0-liter TFSI engine at the Vienna Motor Symposium. According to Auto Motor und Sport, the new engine will be fitted with a blower and putting out around 350 hp when fitted to the next generation S4"

I'd say VW's powertrain head is credible enough without pictures

Thanks...but don't you think it would have been better if there were some kind of pics provided??

[Killerteve]

Debuting in November... damn that's far.

[S-Fore]

with the economy the way it is and the gas prices over $4 per gal, I'm sure audi is thinking on the grander scale of this and will keep fuel economy in mind while considering perfomance. At least in the NA market place. If buyers wanted the fastest car in its price range, there are plenty of other options. Audi is balanced, Pure Quality. Just my .02

I personally would like to see the RS4 V8.

[AAAA]

Thanks...but don't you think it would have been better if there were some kind of pics provided??

yes i do. but after calling the head of powertrain at vw, he denied my request......

[biketsai]

[Obi_agent]

yes i do. but after calling the head of powertrain at vw, he denied my request......

Lol...

Thanks for sharing your point

[B18b1ex]

I'm posting this in all 6 of the B8 S4 threads, because I' tired of the same shit!


I really don't know why there are 3-4 threads about the same sh*t, the car is going to be SC. If you don't like it oh well, buy a 335. I said this before and an audi person told me that Audi took a hit on the 2.7t because of people like us who chip the cars, then when stuff breaks we put it back to stock and we claim warranty.

BMW is going thru the same stuff with the 335, their tech are checking for the chips and even for evidence that the wiring harness was tampered with. If that is found before stuff breaks they are voiding warranties until an inspection can be do by a special BMW corporate tech, and you only get one chance at this reprieve.

Regardless people are bitching about a car nobody has driven, but has about the same power as currently available, a flat torque curve, weighs less, better weight distribution, new Quattro system and lets not forget around 20% better fuel economy.

People lets really think before we speak, and I'll say it again, many of those bitching about the car will not be buying one anyway!