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    engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

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    Long story short. I went against the words of Jake, (ssayzarc) and maybe even Mike if I remember correctly. Anyways I was working with a shop who sold d!am0nd pistons and he recommended me to them blah blah blah. Going along with the flow I had him order me a set. OK great, now 3 months have gone by and I sitll don't have any pistons. I write a nasty email to the manufacturer and of course they didn't like that. Dumb move on my part. They tell the engine shop what happened and the asshole basically said, come get the pistons when they are in, take your engine, pay your balance, and find someone else to finsih the project. So basically I chose a POS shop to work on my engine, my own doing once again. See where this is going yet?

    So. I am a little over 2k in parts, I owe the shop ~$600 for diassembly, cleaning of the block, not sure if he did any head work, installed new valve guides, and I believe that is all. We will have our words about that balance as that is not what I was quoted, but thats regardless of the fact.

    So I will have a completely disassembled engine, no engine stand, all the parts, and some needed machine shop time...

    Cylinders need to be bored for the 83mm pistons, crank needs to be balanced, if the heads need to be decked, yada yada yada all that good crap.

    So What Would You Do?
    1. Take the liberty of attempting to build the engine yourself. Not having any internal engine experience minus a TB and some other random maintenance. Risking the loss of around 3k in parts and labor for skipping over something small.
    2. Pay an ass load for a very reputable Porsche shop in the area to finish the build.
    3. Find someone locally who is an enthusiast to help build or build on their own the rest of the engine.
    4. Scrap the project... for now.

    Funds are somewhat limited but I can live on bread and milk for awhile if thats what it takes to get my car running again.

    Located in Kansas City Missouri, anyone is willing to come out and help!!

    Thanks for any and all feedback. And I am putting on the flame suit now just incase.

    -Josh
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    dude they charged you $600 to disassemble the thing and put in new valve guides? WTF

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    pick up a manual and do it yourself.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer832 View Post
    So What Would You Do?
    1. Take the liberty of attempting to build the engine yourself. Not having any internal engine experience minus a TB and some other random maintenance. Risking the loss of around 3k in parts and labor for skipping over something small.
    DIY!

    If you have any questions on the build, there are guys on this board that could help you no matter what the problem is. I wouldn't hesitate to take it on myself. DOOOIT!


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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie View Post
    pick up a manual and do it yourself.
    already have the bentley. I guess i could rent an engine stand. Shit I will probably need a few hundred $$$ in tools and then still the machine work.

    I think I am liking this better.
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    #1 build it yourself w/ a bentley. cool thing is u rebuild the audi block, you'll know how to rebuild almost any 4 cylinder vw block, they are almost alike in many respects. trust me, i've built many vw 1.8 8valves to 2.0 16 valve motors. they're are so similar, i've actually interchanged many parts......

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    harbor freight for the one time use tools like engine stands and stuff. You really don't need THAT many tools. A basic mechanics set should be good enough. There is plenty of members on here that can walk you through what you can't figure out. A haynes manual is another good book to pick up. Its liked 12 bucks.
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    MMMM patience is a virtue.
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    Just buy an engine stand, theres a cheap on at harbor freight for like 35 bucks.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    fu<k, that is fu<king rediculous.....

    I would honestly bash that shop soo bad....

    what business starts a job and flakes in the middle of it...who gives a sh!t what you said to some diamond piston people....

    business is business....the customer is always right....

    if it was me I would get your motor back....tell them to shove the pistons up their a$$es...tell them you wanted then a couple months ago...and now that you are going to be building the engine yourself you have decided that diamond pistons aren't what you want...

    as far as paying them anything for a halfa$$ed unfinished job...fu<k that....bounce a check on their a$$ and see them in court....

    I would give that shop a terrible name...and i'd prolly go wayy out of my way to bash on them....

    alright...well....have fun with the build!....harbor freight FTW!

    take lots of pictures!

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    i tell yah what.. i wouldnt pay for those pistons... let that douchebag keep them

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by B518T View Post
    fu<k, that is fu<king rediculous.....

    I would honestly bash that shop soo bad....

    what business starts a job and flakes in the middle of it...who gives a sh!t what you said to some diamond piston people....

    business is business....the customer is always right....

    if it was me I would get your motor back....tell them to shove the pistons up their a$$es...tell them you wanted then a couple months ago...and now that you are going to be building the engine yourself you have decided that diamond pistons aren't what you want...

    as far as paying them anything for a halfa$$ed unfinished job...fu<k that....bounce a check on their a$$ and see them in court....

    I would give that shop a terrible name...and i'd prolly go wayy out of my way to bash on them....

    alright...well....have fun with the build!....harbor freight FTW!

    take lots of pictures!
    amen brother. my boss is an attorney and he loves going after assholes like this. bad thing is he has already taken care of a few speeding tickets and some other stuff for me. id hate to ask him for another favor :)

    ive already put a $750 deposit down for the pistons and some of the labor so I own the pistons either way. now bouncing the check... thought about it......

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    luckily the VW community here is pretty strong and I was just recommended to a shop in town who does repairs, engines, everything. They have a machine shop on sight. I am going to give them a call. I'll keep everyone posted, and thanks again!!!

    -josh
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer832 View Post
    amen brother. my boss is an attorney and he loves going after assholes like this. bad thing is he has already taken care of a few speeding tickets and some other stuff for me. id hate to ask him for another favor :)

    ive already put a $750 deposit down for the pistons and some of the labor so I own the pistons either way. now bouncing the check... thought about it......

    -josh
    Take them to small claims court. If you paid with a CC, call your CC company and tell them you want the charges reversed for failure to complete the transaction. If you paid with a debit card you can have the charges reversed through your bank. If you paid with cash, I would demand a refund of the parts as you purchased them because they were supposed to complete the project. Since they are now not willing to finish the project, you will get the parts from another shop and again let him know that you will take him to small claims court if he does not refund your money.

    Don't bounce a check. You write a good check, just in case he calls to verify funds and then immediately put a stop payment on the check after you get all your stuff.

    This way he will not be able to deposit the check 3 months down the line when you forgot about it and have the money and next thing you know you are $600 in your account, or report you to check systems.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    i would advise against intentionally bouncing a check ... might get into a little trouble with a thing called fraud. that said, situation sucks. how have you paid thus far? i would make any future payments, by cc.

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    Building motors is fun. I am doing it myself and is my first time. I asked alot of quesitions here, and every single one has been answered. AZ is alot of help. Now that i have the "experience" of building the engine i could help you as much as i can. Good luck!!!!
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    For you and anyone else....watch my 2220 thread.I am going to be putting up ALOT of pics tonight

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Josh, I STRONGLY advise against using those pistons... I'm shooting you a pm with my cell number, we'll chat and I'll help you thru this

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    you can get the money back your case would be based on they didn't perform the work in a timely fashion. If you wait for 3 months for pistons, and the shop drops you that is ridiculous. Just talk with 317ssayzarc and Mike they know everything and can help you the most. If I were you I would do the work, you will gain so much knowledge from the experience and you will look back and thank yourself, Plus it would be a good story to tell. You have a lot of support here just start your own thread about your build, take your time, ask any and every question you can.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Issam@034 View Post
    For you and anyone else....watch my 2220 thread.I am going to be putting up ALOT of pics tonight
    very interested. I found a deal on a perfect car to swap all my stuff into. I might actually end up with like 4k plus spare motor after all said and done with insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie View Post
    very interested. I found a deal on a perfect car to swap all my stuff into. I might actually end up with like 4k plus spare motor after all said and done with insurance.
    is it an avant like you wanted poops? and can you say "built head"?

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    sorry to hear that.
    But do not bounce a check on them.
    Because it can been seen as you had intention of paying them and was satisfied with the service and attempted to pay them.
    If anything pay your lawyer friend some money and have him do you another favor.
    Offer the same $600 they are trying to rape your for.

    Or atleast ask him for his advise even if he doesnt take the case
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    If you want to attempt a rebuild on your own, I would highly recommend buying metric torx sockets, 12-point sockets, a torque wrench with ft/lbs and/or n/m, and VAG head bolt tool. You will also need engine assembly lube, of course. As for parts like bolts, bearings, gaskets, etc., you are looking at about spending $700 tops.
    If you have found another shop that can do the machine work and balance the rotating assembly, then you should be alright. As for assembling everything, I'd have to say the hardest part is making sure the piston rings are properly installed and torqueing down the big things like main caps, timing belt sprocket bolt, and head bolts.
    If you are confident in your workmanship and don't rush, you shouldn't have any major problems.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by chris164935 View Post
    If you want to attempt a rebuild on your own, I would highly recommend buying metric torx sockets, 12-point sockets, a torque wrench with ft/lbs and/or n/m, and VAG head bolt tool. You will also need engine assembly lube, of course. As for parts like bolts, bearings, gaskets, etc., you are looking at about spending $700 tops.
    If you have found another shop that can do the machine work and balance the rotating assembly, then you should be alright. As for assembling everything, I'd have to say the hardest part is making sure the piston rings are properly installed and torqueing down the big things like main caps, timing belt sprocket bolt, and head bolts.
    If you are confident in your workmanship and don't rush, you shouldn't have any major problems.
    Already have all of the named parts and tools, except the 12point sockets which i need a set of anyways. I am going to be calling him today to get things straight. I am going to have a chat with my attorney today to see what he thinks the best course of action is. I am planning on scrapping the pistons all together and going back against their 100% satisfaction guarantee. I will keep everyone updated.

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by t1demont1 View Post
    Just buy an engine stand, theres a cheap on at harbor freight for like 35 bucks.
    That is the one I bought. Great deal too!


    Josh. Call up Jake and chat with him. He is extremely knowledgeable and can get you down teh right road. I've been talking to him about my build and he has been nothing but great help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    That is the one I bought. Great deal too!


    Josh. Call up Jake and chat with him. He is extremely knowledgeable and can get you down teh right road. I've been talking to him about my build and he has been nothing but great help.
    working on getting the piston order canceled and picking the engine up tonight. Need to get a new set of pistons ordered still.

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    "customer service or no service, give me my fucking money back" is the way you should be handling this.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    first thing first...
    ~put on flame suit~


    after some words, we were able to deal with the issue in a civil matter. Pistons are already shipped and I need 8 exhaust valves. Luckily this will take a load of my chest. Engine should be ready in two weeks.

    Thanks to all those with their eager support to help. I will hopefully be doing this again but going wiht a full 2.0l engine at some point, once I find a cheap short block. That one I will build myself and enjoy that at that time.

    At this point I just want my car back on the road. Track season is coming up and im jonesing...

    well I will get some better sleep tonight. thanks again

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    can anyone direct me to cheap OEM or the like exhaust valves? I need all 8. after they were cut some were slightly warped.

    thanks
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    hey josh you never called me back, im still up for helping out if you decide you need it

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    upgrade your exhaust valves. last thing you want is to drop one at the track. as you're probably going to be revving this thing a lot
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    will do. for shits and giggles i checked with audi on oem valves to TRY and save some $$.
    I left them a message about needing some pricing.
    Convo goes like this:
    Me: Good morning how are u doing today?
    Audi: Good, but you wont be having a good day after i break you the news.
    Me: really that bad uh?
    Audi: $89.02 per valve.
    Me: Ok well thanks for the info
    Audi: Yea tell me about it, i'd rather have called and told you you've lost a relative then that news. Sorry.

    Well looks like I'll be going with ferrea or something like that.

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    SuperTech Exhaust valves are cheaper (and better) than OEM

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    034 also has valve sets and springs for sale.
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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    SuperTech Exhaust valves are cheaper (and better) than OEM

    http://www.qedpower.com/
    $240 for a set of 8
    thanks dude. i was checking QED out before. They have the best priced set so far.

    -josh
    -josh

    98 AEB 1.8t Laser Red
    EFR 6758 with VEMS standalone in the works.

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    what about these? THey seem pretty cheap. which ones would I need? Single or double groove?

    http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...valves-vw.html

    -josh
    -josh

    98 AEB 1.8t Laser Red
    EFR 6758 with VEMS standalone in the works.

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    Re: engine build disaster/nightmare/horror Help?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer832 View Post
    will do. for shits and giggles i checked with audi on oem valves to TRY and save some $$.
    I left them a message about needing some pricing.
    Convo goes like this:
    Me: Good morning how are u doing today?
    Audi: Good, but you wont be having a good day after i break you the news.
    Me: really that bad uh?
    Audi: $89.02 per valve.
    Me: Ok well thanks for the info
    Audi: Yea tell me about it, i'd rather have called and told you you've lost a relative then that news. Sorry.

    Well looks like I'll be going with ferrea or something like that.

    -josh
    haha! that dude is awesome..

    figures the dealer would be more expensive than aftermarket. always is..
    Current:
    '16 Mercedes-Benz C450 "AMG": Stage 2 w/downpipes & 19" BBS CH-R's
    '88 Harley-Davidson Sporty 880: 1200 bottom - Ported & Cam'd top - S&S In - Screamin' Eagle Out

    Previous:
    '02 Audi A4 1.8TQM: Full GT28RS on meth w/everything else.
    '01.5 Audi A4 1.8TQMS: Tune and exhaust.
    '99 Subaru Legacy Outback wagon Manual: Bone stock.
    I don't even want to remember the others

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