Do I need a big FMIC...it is HOTTTTTT!!!

[cmckelvy]

I live in Austin TX and it is starting to get freaking hot outside. This is my first summer here with a black on black A4 1.8t. I have a FMIC on my "wants" list, but as of late (as it has really heated up outside) the car starts to feel really sluggish towards the end of my work day.

I drive anywhere from 70-180 miles a day with my sales job, so it has to be really hard on the car in this heat.

Should I make it a priority to get a larger intercooler sooner rather than later?

[audipotential]

I live in Austin TX and it is starting to get freaking hot outside. This is my first summer here with a black on black A4 1.8t. I have a FMIC on my "wants" list, but as of late (as it has really heated up outside) the car starts to feel really sluggish towards the end of my work day.

I drive anywhere from 70-180 miles a day with my sales job, so it has to be really hard on the car in this heat.

Should I make it a priority to get a larger intercooler sooner rather than later?

Im in sales too. Quick answer..YES get fmic. I need to get one soon too. heat soak is killing me

[lorvar]

I live in Austin TX and it is starting to get freaking hot outside. This is my first summer here with a black on black A4 1.8t. I have a FMIC on my "wants" list, but as of late (as it has really heated up outside) the car starts to feel really sluggish towards the end of my work day.

I drive anywhere from 70-180 miles a day with my sales job, so it has to be really hard on the car in this heat.

Should I make it a priority to get a larger intercooler sooner rather than later?

I'm going to try to fit a puller fan behind the stock one. I'll let you know how it goes.

[koolade9]

short answer...yes

long answer...yeeeeessssssssss

heat soak is bad, hot intake charge is bad, detenation is bad... FMIC will help these issues...

to help keep things cool when stuck in traffic...electric puller fan w/thermostat ftw

[audipotential]

I'm going to try to fit a puller fan behind the stock one. I'll let you know how it goes.

If I were to do all the labor involved with that, id rather install an ebay intercooler in about the same time

[A4ringedONE8T]

Larger intercooler is required to keep power levels up in the heat, and upgraded external oil cooler is recommended to keep motor temps safe. I would do both if your driving that much in extreme heat!

[jcg05c]

^ are we considered that shawn?

[cmckelvy]

How hard is it to install an external oil cooler?

[A4ringedONE8T]

^ are we considered that shawn?

Depends how much you drive, if your driving alot and beating on the car in the heat, I would

[lorvar]

If I were to do all the labor involved with that, id rather install an ebay intercooler in about the same time

The FMIC will NOT prevent heatseak in traffic, a fan will, 100%. Worked on my top mount on the Celica GT4 I had, you know that. The 8 inch fans cost me 20 bucks for two of them off ebay. When I get this done and you get your FM done, we'll compare temps.

[koolade9]

Larger intercooler is required to keep power levels up in the heat, and upgraded external oil cooler is recommended to keep motor temps safe. I would do both if your driving that much in extreme heat!

good call... +1

[A4ringedONE8T]

The FMIC will NOT prevent heatseak in traffic, a fan will, 100%. Worked on my top mount on the Celica GT4 I had, you know that. The 8 inch fans cost me 20 bucks for two of them off ebay. When I get this done and you get your FM done, we'll compare temps.

What exactly do you think a FMIC is for then?

[cmckelvy]

If anyone has any idea about external oil coolers, the costs, product numbers, etc., then please post. I did a google search and I am not really sure what I am looking for.

[lorvar]

What exactly do you think a FMIC is for then?

Is the original not a front facing intercooler? Do you think relocating it to the center makes it so much better? I've owned 4 turbo cars and I know what works and what is overkill. You sit in traffic in hot weather, you will get heat soak, whether it's in the middle, the side or on top.

[audipotential]

The FMIC will NOT prevent heatseak in traffic, a fan will, 100%. Worked on my top mount on the Celica GT4 I had, you know that. The 8 inch fans cost me 20 bucks for two of them off ebay. When I get this done and you get your FM done, we'll compare temps.

My IAT's will be higher than yours. Im boosting more than you.

A TMIC with a scoop will have a direct inlet for air. The OEM SMIC has no air inlet. If you find papachristou's IAT logs then youll see how the SMIC fairs.
I dont think blowing around the air thats already super hot will help.
The only thing that might help the SMIC is injections but in that case you should just go FMIC

[jcg05c]

^^ wow you know the guy your arguing with about this owns a shop and probally one of the fastest b6 on this forum right? haha

[A4ringedONE8T]

Is the original not a front facing intercooler? Do you think relocating it to the center makes it so much better? I've owned 4 turbo cars and I know what works and what is overkill. You sit in traffic in hot weather, you will get heat soak, whether it's in the middle, the side or on top.

haha owning 4 turbo cars I would have thought you would have learned something ...

Have you ever compared the sizes of a FMIC to the stock side mount? I dont care what direction its facing ... The bigger it is, the more heat it can absorb, and the more resistant to heat soak it will be

[RLB6]

FMIC + K03 powered A4 = more pressure drop and overkill. Better off getting an upgraded SMIC (Side Mount InterCooler) to replace the OEM unit.

The ultimate goal here is to dissipate heat as quickly as possible and with an upgraded SMIC, you'll be able to do a far better job of that.

[lorvar]

haha owning 4 turbo cars I would have thought you would have learned something ...

Have you ever compared the sizes of a FMIC to the stock side mount? I dont care what direction its facing ... The bigger it is, the more heat it can absorb, and the more resistant to heat soak it will be

Yes a bigger intercooler means cooler temps in traffic with the radiator sitting right behind it, makes so much sense to me. Bigger intercooler is only effective while moving, don't you get it yet? A big intercooler is good for the track. Let me guess, you also think that the thickness of the intercooler nor the construction of the fins matter either.

[A4ringedONE8T]

FMIC + K03 powered A4 = more pressure drop and overkill. Better off getting an upgraded SMIC (Side Mount InterCooler) to replace the OEM unit.

The ultimate goal here is to dissipate heat as quickly as possible and with an upgraded SMIC, you'll be able to do a far better job of that.

lol, I dont know of any FMIC's for our car (other than mine) that has more than a 1psi pressure drop. Correctly designed FMIC's will not have much if any drop, even with the stock turbo

[jcg05c]

^^ where did you come from? haha

[A4ringedONE8T]

Yes a bigger intercooler means cooler temps in traffic with the radiator sitting right behind it, makes so much sense to me. Bigger intercooler is only effective while moving, don't you get it yet? A big intercooler is good for the track. Let me guess, you also think that the thickness of the intercooler nor the construction of the fins matter either.

LMAO, Ive yet to heatsoak my IC and I live in FL with 100 degree summers ... And I dont know a thing about intercoolers, I only started with this



And ended up with this

[jcg05c]

Pic Whore

[A4ringedONE8T]

^^ where did you come from? haha

"Somewhere out there" clearly! lol

[lorvar]

LMAO, Ive yet to heatsoak my IC and I live in FL with 100 degree summers ... And I dont know a thing about intercoolers, I only started with this



And ended up with this

Um, did you test your temps in traffic. Having the biggest and the best does not mean you do not get heatsoak. What you have to tell people is that the thickest core will keep temps lower than stock, but not prevent heatsoak in traffic.

[traf818]

Lorvar is right if you are in Bumper to bumper traffic a FMIC wont do shit. A FMIC only works if air is running through it, when your stopped in traffic there is minimal air going through the FMIC.

[b6onboost]

A FMIC may be overkill for a K03. An Upgraded SMIC or DSMIC might be a better option.

Heatsoak in traffic??? Yeah I know what you mean, but seriously why are you boosting hard if there is a lot of traffic?

[lorvar]

Lorvar is right if you are in Bumper to bumper traffic a FMIC wont do shit. A FMIC only works if air is running through it, when your stopped in traffic there is minimal air going through the FMIC.

Amen.

[lorvar]

A FMIC may be overkill for a K03. An Upgraded SMIC or DSMIC might be a better option.

Heatsoak in traffic??? Yeah I know what you mean, but seriously why are you boosting hard if there is a lot of traffic?

I would do the DSMIC, like the TT. Out of the way of the rad.

[traf818]

Also a FMIC really makes your AC and radiator less efficient. To the OP if you are not going to heavily modify the car get an upgraded DSMIC.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Lorvar is right if you are in Bumper to bumper traffic a FMIC wont do shit. A FMIC only works if air is running through it, when your stopped in traffic there is minimal air going through the FMIC.

Doubtful your IAT's go out the roof in traffic with a FMIC, but who the hell puts on a FMIC to sit in traffic? The more metal there is to a FMIC, the more heat it can absorb from the charge, therefore the longer you can go before the air begins to become overheated. As soon as you begin to move, even the slightest bit, you should be fine. Unless you can tell me what your in boost for in bumper to bumper traffic, worrying about heatsoak in traffic is stupidity

[lorvar]

Doubtful your IAT's go out the roof in traffic with a FMIC, but who the hell puts on a FMIC to sit in traffic? The more metal there is to a FMIC, the more heat it can absorb from the charge, therefore the longer you can go before the air begins to become overheated. As soon as you begin to move, even the slightest bit, you should be fine. Unless you can tell me what your in boost for in bumper to bumper traffic, worrying about heatsoak in traffic is stupidity

The reality is that 75% of us who commute, sit in traffic or cruise along at low speeds, unless you have a special lane dedicated for big intercooler cars. You do realize 100 F is 100 F to the intercooler too. Hot air does not turn cool once it hits the IC.

[A4ringedONE8T]

The reality is that 75% of us who commute, sit in traffic or cruise along at low speeds, unless you have a special lane dedicated for big intercooler cars.

I drive 100-150 miles a day, Im well aware ... Perhaps if your car made some power you could better justify a FMIC, lol

[RLB6]

lol, I dont know of any FMIC's for our car (other than mine) that has more than a 1psi pressure drop

How would you know?? How are you measuring pressure drop, if you did?

[A4ringedONE8T]

How would you know?? How are you measuring pressure drop, if you did?

Feel free to call Fred for his ER intercoolers, Jeff for the AWE/Racetec IC's, they have all the specs, Im sure they will share with you all the flow bench tests

[lorvar]

I drive 100-150 miles a day, Im well aware ... Perhaps if your car made some power you could better justify a FMIC, lol

What because I don't have a front mount, my car doesn't make power? How do you know what mods I have? Is it my d!ck is bigger than yours attitude that you are trying to present?

[A4ringedONE8T]

What because I don't have a front mount, my car doesn't make power? How do you know what mods I have? Is it my d!ck is bigger than yours attitude that you are trying to present?

It was a joke, and if you were making any power, you would need a FMIC for when your in boost (what an FMIC is actually made for)

[traf818]

Doubtful your IAT's go out the roof in traffic with a FMIC, but who the hell puts on a FMIC to sit in traffic? The more metal there is to a FMIC, the more heat it can absorb from the charge, therefore the longer you can go before the air begins to become overheated. As soon as you begin to move, even the slightest bit, you should be fine. Unless you can tell me what your in boost for in bumper to bumper traffic, worrying about heatsoak in traffic is stupidity

Your missing the point. What lorvar is saying is that a fan is better for heatsoak in traffic rather than a FMIC. he is right all you have to do is conceed the point and we will all move on.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Your missing the point. What lorvar is saying is that a fan is better for heatsoak in traffic rather than a FMIC. he is right all you have to do is conceed the point and we will all move on.

Thats what radiator fans are for, to keep the car cool. If your fans arent automatically on, Ill bet money your IC isnt heatsoaked. If you were worried about fans, why the hell would you rig some stupid fan in addition, how about you put your OEM fans on a switch rather than the thermostat

[B6Lovin]

Lorvar is right if you are in Bumper to bumper traffic a FMIC wont do shit. A FMIC only works if air is running through it, when your stopped in traffic there is minimal air going through the FMIC.

i dont understand why your point matters at all.
if you're stuck in traffic or cruising at low speeds you obviously don't need that performance anyways...

if you're really moving then the FMIC works as it should... and going fast isn't something you do in traffic.