Aftermarket Inlets

[OldYella]

Anyone seen these? Thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Audi-...spagenameZWDVW

[GURUMAN]

Thats gen Jdm...

[NOVAS4]

yes it would be i got me a set... should be on their way here

[MiniRS4]

they look nice. keep up the good work and bump for a decent deal!

[ChriS4]

pricey...

[GURUMAN]

They just look over clamped. No boost in those

[BurnAll4S4]

this has def. never been discussed before. thanks for bringing it up.

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

For another $100 or so, i'd go with OEM.

[MiniRS4]

For another $100 or so, i'd go with OEM.

Josh, that makes no sense. why pay more for an inferior product? RS4 parts are overpriced as-it-is. the whole future/ballgame for our platform are cheaper replacement/performance parts, and new untested turbo setups.

GenJDM's stuff is superior. better material, and they are even coated (for wtvr that is worth, id still heat wrap the hell out of the inlets tho). so yea, please explain to me the logic in choosing the the same difference (really inferior) for $100 more.

thanks in advance.

[NOVAS4]

im gonna have to agree with minirs4 on this one.. which is why i got myself a set of genjdms ... didnt really make sense for me to spend another 125$+ that i dont have on an oem part(weather it performs better or not).... granted i guess if you want the whole my car is all oem parts thats fine... to each their own

[jasonsowers]

Josh, that makes no sense. why pay more for an inferior product? RS4 parts are overpriced as-it-is. the whole future/ballgame for our platform are cheaper replacement/performance parts, and new untested turbo setups.

GenJDM's stuff is superior. better material, and they are even coated (for wtvr that is worth, id still heat wrap the hell out of the inlets tho). so yea, please explain to me the logic in choosing the the same difference (really inferior) for $100 more.

thanks in advance.

I am pretty sure Vast made inlets too back in the day for the b5s4.

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

Josh, that makes no sense. why pay more for an inferior product? RS4 parts are overpriced as-it-is. the whole future/ballgame for our platform are cheaper replacement/performance parts, and new untested turbo setups.

GenJDM's stuff is superior. better material, and they are even coated (for wtvr that is worth, id still heat wrap the hell out of the inlets tho). so yea, please explain to me the logic in choosing the the same difference (really inferior) for $100 more.

thanks in advance.

Why is it you're dubbing the RS4 inlets "inferior"?

They're overpriced?-- Well...$375 for 4 welded aluminum pipes sure as hell isn't a bargain.

They're not aluminum?-- Does that really matter? The pipes are going to be ceramic coated and/or thermally wrapped. Where is the heat dissipation advantage going to occur? Also, keep in mind the pipes are basically kissing the manifolds.

O-ring seals?-- What's wrong with them? Maybe it's just me, but i've never heard of an o-ring "failing" on a properly installed inlet pipe. Also...removing the inlet, with the motor in the car, is going to be THAT much more difficult with a hose/coupler connection at the turbo, vs the OEM slip fitting.


And maybe i'm blind, but i'm not seeing where these aftermarket inlets bolt to the manifold bracket, like OEM.

RS4 pipes are one piece, vs the aftermarket's multiple pieces welded together.

RS4 pipes have a flow straightener, just before the compressor. Talk to the Audi engineers about that one, i can't quite explain its necessity, or lack thereof.


My point is.... for $125, or whatever it is, I would much rather have an OEM product. You're getting higher quality parts, and some engineering behind them.

[Europowerhaus]

what with everything thermally wrapped, are you guys trying to keep the heat inside the inlets? What they need is heat radiating wrap....aluminum is better than stainless for them hands down if that is what they are? dunno

[MiniRS4]

what with everything thermally wrapped, are you guys trying to keep the heat inside the inlets? What they need is heat radiating wrap....aluminum is better than stainless for them hands down if that is what they are? dunno

no no. you keep heat-in for exhaust manifolds. inlet pipes draw air into the turbo. the colder the better. hence, since the inlets are directly under the manifolds, you wrap them to keep the inlet pipes from getting hot and thereby heating the air in the inlets. its very logical.

in my quest to find more power, reliability, consistency etc, i sought out B5 race chassis to see what i could find and brng over to my car. i came across this:



note, how much they wrap the lower inlet! -and they have a heat shield on the manifold too! while wrapping may add some weight (a few grams) it is a very worthwhile mod.

otherwise CHAMPION MOTORSPORTS wouldnt have done it on their SPEED CHALLENGE S4 GT Car, which btw spanked M3 GT3's, NSXs, VIPERS, 996 GT3, Stangs, and tons of others on a wkly basis. the good ole Bell and Galati days. any decent driver could get in the car and podium in that S, no problem.

anyhow, what a rant. just trying to be helpful. take care, that is all.

[generationjdm]

First off rs4 inlets r 4 pieces just like mine, secondly there over 640.00 plus shipping now at ECS and are always on back order, I'm 40-50% cheaper..

The stock o ring seal will fail one day bottom line, having a silicon coupler and clamp will last forever that o ring won't...

Know one uses o rings there look around, I'm sure Audi did for manufacturing reasons to saves money with less parts involved.

All my pipes r mandrel bent here in the u.s, theres only 2 welds on the lower driver side because the tooling was way to much to do in 1 piece, other then that there bent the same as the RS4 pipes..

Flow straightener there does nothing, last i check Vag doesn't use one Vast didn't use one, Tial doesn't use one, asp cuts that end off on there GT cars.

Having the pipes aluminum and ceramic coated verse powder coated steel will be the largest benefit hands down.

The aluminum pipes are over 3lbs lighter also, my pipes clamped actually sit further away from the manifolds, once mounted they don't budge..

By not having 2 fixed mounted points on the inlets allows more adjustment on the pipes for fining tuning the pipes further away from the manifold and mount..

The pipes mounts in the same spot as the RS4 inlet right at the valve cover..

[generationjdm]

They just look over clamped. No boost in those

I ran out of worm clamps so i used the T clamps for mock up. I supply a t clamp for the turbo end only, the rest r worm clamps...

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

First off rs4 inlets r 4 pieces just like mine

Just like yours? Yours look like more than 4 pieces to me. Explain the welds...

The stock o ring seal will fail one day bottom line, having a silicon coupler and clamp will last forever that o ring won't...

HAHAHA! Please tell me you're not serious... i would love to hear more from you on this, but the damage to my brain would have me hate it at the same time. So..... just don't say anything else....please.

Know one uses o rings there look around, I'm sure Audi did for manufacturing reasons to saves money with less parts involved.

....Yeah, just like they saved cost with the bipipe, using plastic versus metal. But there is nothing wrong with the design of the bipipe, is there? Oh wait... your metal bipipe adds 50hp up top...nvm.

All my pipes r mandrel bent here in the u.s, theres only 2 welds on the lower driver side because the tooling was way to much to do in 1 piece, other then that there bent the same as the RS4 pipes..

You're contradicting yourself. You said, above, that your pipes are of the same number as the RS4 pipes.

[JDM EJ1 95]

THE FACTS ARE>> THEY WORK FINE AND COST ALMOST HALF WHAT RS4 ONES ARE RIGHT NOW GET OFF HIS BACK HES DOING US A FAVOR

damn haters.

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

What is it with you JDM guys...

[JDM EJ1 95]

go spend the 640 dollars on the superior part so you can have your completely and utterly unsignificant gains in power/IATs/quality/strength/durability........ cause its worth the extra 300?


or if you want the RS4 inlets to be competitive with thes.. go buy 20,000 sets from audi and sell them for his price.

but for now.. they work fine.. esp for people that dont have money pouring out of every crevice in their bodies like you.. someone would be a moron to pay 640 dollars for some pieces of steel pipes.. i dont care how engineered they are.


if you show me backed reasons to support a significant gain in using the RS4 over these and can justify the 300 dollars extra. then by all means do so. but until then.

YOU HAVE NOTHING

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

haha... I have money pouring out of every crevice because i think one product is better than another? In that case... I'm shitting thousands.

[JDM EJ1 95]

well you still havent backed up how much better it is? and enough to justify 300 dollars?


im sorry but there cant be enough engineering in an inlet pipe to where its that much better to justify the price difference.. and you know that for a fact.. so why are you arguing


are RS4 pipes magic?

instant 50whp?

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

What i posted was a response to MiniRS4, when he referred to the RS4 pipes as "inferior."

I also found some of GenJDM's advertising points humorous.

But, if you must know, yes....RS4 inlets are magical.

Edit: By the way, JDM EJ1 95, not everything is about power. Show me where i said the RS4 pipes produce more power. Actually... don't. This thread is stupid. Kbye.

[JayyyyyC]

What is it with you JDM guys...

Can't say no to saving money!

[JDM EJ1 95]

go spend the 640 dollars on the superior part so you can have your completely and utterly unsignificant gains in power/IATs/quality/strength/durability........ cause its worth the extra 300?


or if you want the RS4 inlets to be competitive with thes.. go buy 20,000 sets from audi and sell them for his price.

but for now.. they work fine.. esp for people that dont have money pouring out of every crevice in their bodies like you.. someone would be a moron to pay 640 dollars for some pieces of steel pipes.. i dont care how engineered they are.


if you show me backed reasons to support a significant gain in using the RS4 over these and can justify the 300 dollars extra. then by all means do so. but until then.

YOU HAVE NOTHING

i was making a point with the 50hp comment.. take it the same as a magical 100k extra in longevity of the engine..


but i touched every point in where they could be better where i stated in bold. not necessarily saying you meant better by a power staandpoint. sorry for the confusion

Can't say no to saving money!

and... why not save money? tell me ANY reason why you shouldnt in this situation?

Any reason at all?


there isnt any.


the 300 is better spent elsewhere.

[JayyyyyC]

and... why not save money? tell me ANY reason why you shouldnt in this situation?

Any reason at all?


there isnt any.


the 300 is better spent elsewhere.

Wtf... I was saying that it's good to save money. Here is the same thing I said, broken down for your sake to help you understand better.

Can NOT say NO to saving money.

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

i was making a point with the 50hp comment.. take it the same as a magical 100k extra in longevity of the engine..


but i touched every point in where they could be better where i stated in bold. not necessarily saying you meant better by a power staandpoint. sorry for the confusion




and... why not save money? tell me ANY reason why you shouldnt in this situation?

Any reason at all?


there isnt any.


the 300 is better spent elsewhere.

lol... I love how you ask a series of questions and then completely nullify them with your destructive, "there isnt any."

But anyway... I'm done with this thread...everyone should buy the aftermarket inlets because they're cheap. The end.

[generationjdm]

Josh, it's pretty clear you have your personal reasons for your attacks and negative comments, but the average Audi guy is very capable of knowing the difference between steel and ceramic coated alumium or bottle necking plastic and nice flowing aluminum pipes..

Josh, We didn't realize you where a head Audi engineer sorry.

I never claimed any hp with any product, but there is plenty benefits

Josh, tell everyone to spend near 700 bucks on some powder coated steel pipes that sits .5 inches away from a pipe that will get 1400+ degrees, this alone shows how smart you are.

I guess having 2 welds in 1 pipe is horrible, maybe you should search around and see whats out there before you open your big mouth.

You sound really bitter, everything you say is completely false. Maybe you should do some more research on powder coated steel pipes verse aluminum ceramic coated pipes.

[BurnAll4S4]

rs4 clutch is better than any clutch because its OEM and the rs4 is godly.

[Dr. Jekyll]

Not to jump into the argument here, but is anyone actually running these inlets? Theoretically they might be better, but until they've been on a car and held up with no problems for 100,000 miles then I think it's a bit premature to claim they are superior. Plenty of people have had RS4 inlets on their cars for thousands of miles and not had a single problem. I, myself, have had RS4 inlets for over 80k miles and the O-ring and everything else have held up fine *shrug*

Thats not to say GenJDM's inlets suck. They could turn out to be a great, cheaper alternative to the overpriced OEM stuff. But we wont know that until they are on a number of cars for quite a few miles. So claiming that the RS4's are inferior is, IMO, premature and in all actuality, false. Other than the price, I haven't heard of any issues with the OEM RS4 inlets. So GenJDM's inlets could be of the same quality but if the RS4's work just fine, they can't really be better... Price wise they would, and are, definitely a hit (assuming they turn out to be just as good quality wise).

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

rs4 clutch is better than any clutch because its OEM and the rs4 is godly.

Why don't you go port some manifolds? Have fun...

[BurnAll4S4]

Why don't you go port some manifolds? Have fun...

i was planning on porting them to OEM RS4 specs for great justice

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

Josh, We didn't realize you where a head Audi engineer sorry.

I never claimed any hp with any product, are you ok?

Josh, tell everyone to spend near 700 bucks on some powder coated steel pipes that sits .5 inches away from a pipe that will get 1400+ degrees, this alone shows how smart you are.

I guess having 2 welds in 1 pipe is horrible, maybe should search around and see whats out there before you open your big mouth.

You sound really bitter, everything you say is completely false. Maybe you should do some more research on powder coated steel pipes verse aluminum ceramic coated pipes.

<siggggghh>

Not going to bother...

[generationjdm]

Most people will never know if the rs4 will create a problem, but it's common knowledge that Powder coated steel isn't better then ceramic coated aluminum. just look around and see if theres any steel pipes on any serious cars

[NOVAS4]

its seems to me that josh might hate some of you on a personal level...

[Dr. Jekyll]

But does powder coated steel vs. ceramic coated aluminum actually do much of anything? Remember, these are inlet pipes. Meaning it's pre turbo (where the compression of the air actually creates most of the IAT heat) and pre intercooler (so the air is then being cooled). Not to mention the air is moving so freaking fast (I think it's somthing like Mach3 - mach 5) through the inlet pipes I highly doubt its going to pick up any heat from them. So aside from quality purposes (because again, RS4 pipes hold up fine), will ceramic coated aluminum do anything at all?

[BlackS4TT(Josh)]

its seems to me that josh might hate some of you on a personal level...

lol, not true. I just think some of the things GenJDM says are a little over the top. I'll refrain from posting my opinions about his products in the future though, since they only seem to start shit storms.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

its seems to me that josh might hate some of you on a personal level...

i know he hates me. he sabotaged my car.

[GURUMAN]

Seems like Josh is mad because Rs4 parts are slow

[generationjdm]

But does powder coated steel vs. ceramic coated aluminum actually do much of anything? Remember, these are inlet pipes. Meaning it's pre turbo (where the compression of the air actually creates most of the IAT heat) and pre intercooler (so the air is then being cooled). Not to mention the air is moving so freaking fast (I think it's somthing like Mach3 - mach 5) through the inlet pipes I highly doubt its going to pick up any heat from them. So aside from quality purposes (because again, RS4 pipes hold up fine), will ceramic coated aluminum do anything at all?

We can agree the cooler the air going into the turbo the better right?

also just curious why people wrap the inlet pipes with heat wrap since it's pre turbo? Also we can agree that know one makes a steel cold air intake, there all aluminum right?

Steel is way cheaper to make the pipes from, I can make them from steel exactly like the RS4ss but I don't agree with the pipe being steel, I also can put the air straightener in there, but i know it's a waste of money and time for everyone to do that..